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Old 05/31/2009   #16
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There's nothing wrong with discussing your reasons for not liking a character, but basing an entire thread on the hate of one specific character is a bit too much if you ask me.

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Old 05/31/2009   #17
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Well we're not saying you can't talk about what you don't like or say you have dislike. Like...in the Sephiroth thread, or the Lucrecia thread. The reason I brought that point up in the Lucrecia thread was again, with MOG saying "she's still a bitch" I thought that he was being snarky and just bashing her character for lulz in the discussion. I know he wasn't *now* and all, but I didn't think it was that big a deal anyways. I wasn't gonna close the thread, I just said to say more than "X character is *insult*". I wanted there to be more discussion and commentary than that. There just needs to be more content to a thread or topic than just insulting and calling X character pejoratives and rping that you're torturing them and shit. It's immature and inane. Discussing what you don't like and what not is fine. That's encouraged.

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Old 05/31/2009   #18
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Dacon wrote: There's nothing wrong with discussing your reasons for not liking a character, but basing an entire thread on the hate of one specific character is a bit too much if you ask me.
As long as they don't get ridiculous about the reasons cited for disliking a character I don't see any problem with it. A general dislike thread does kind of serve a similar purpose but it's a bit harder to keep it on focus and people might not debate the strengths and merits of a specific character as thoroughly. Again though, what irks me most about the rule is when threads that weren't started as hate threads, but to discuss a specific aspect of the plot, receive shutdown threats for turning into "hate threads". If a discussion goes a certain way, let it. It's the natural course of discussion on a message board. As long as people aren't flaming over it, I don't think it's much of a big deal.

Mako Eyes wrote: Well we're not saying you can't talk about what you don't like or say you have dislike. Like...in the Sephiroth thread, or the Lucrecia thread. The reason I brought that point up in the Lucrecia thread was again, with MOG saying "she's still a bitch" I thought that he was being snarky and just bashing her character for lulz in the discussion. I wasn't gonna close the thread, I just said to say more than "X character is *insult*". I wanted there to be more discussion and commentary than that. There just needs to be more content to a thread or topic than just insulting and calling X character pejoratives and rping that you're torturing them and shit. It's immature and inane. Discussing what you don't like and what not is fine. That's encouraged.
I may have misinterpreted why you made that comment, I thought you were referring to more than just MOG's post.
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“If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don’t have to worry about answers.” -Thomas Pynchon
“All for ourselves, and nothing for other people, seems, in every age of the world, to have been the vile maxim of the masters of mankind.” -Adam Smith
“Why throw money at problems? That's what money is for. Should the nation's wealth be redistributed? It has been and continues to be redistributed to a few people in a manner strikingly unhelpful.” -Kurt Vonnegut
“Socialism never took root in America because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires.” -John Steinbeck
“If you took the most ardent revolutionary, vested him in absolute power, within a year he would be worse than the Tsar himself.” -Mikhail Bakunin
“In all history, there is no instance of a country having benefited from prolonged warfare.” -Sun Tzu
“...pero Capitán, obedecer por obedecer, así, sin pensarlo... sólo lo hacen gentes como usted, Capitán.” -Dr Ferreiro, Pan’s Labyrinth
“If the doors of perception were cleansed, everything would appear to man as it is: infinite. For man has closed himself up, till he sees all things thro' narrow chinks of his cavern.” -William Blake
“Yeah, you really got my act down good, guys. That'll be great. ‘You know, when I’m done ranting about elite power that rules the planet under a totalitarian government that uses the media in order to keep people stupid, my throat gets parched! That’s why I drink Orange Drink.’” -Bill Hicks








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Old 05/31/2009   #19
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If a discussion degenerates into a discussion about why they hate a character, when it's not made about the hate of that character, isn't that off topic discussion anyway?
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Old 05/31/2009   #20
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Not really, if the character is part of the discussion. And even if a thread does go off topic as a natural result of the debate contained within it, does it really matter? Forcing people to start a new topic wouldn't flow as naturally; a lot of times, people just cba, as evidenced by that DMC discussion the other night.
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“When I was twelve, I milked my eel into a pot of turtle stew.
I flogged the one-eyed snake, I skinned my sausage, I made
the bald man cry into the turtle stew, which I do believe my
sister ate. At least, I hope she did.” -Tyrion Lannister
“The management is very bad. In fact, let’s not mince words: The management is terrible!
We’ve had a string of embezzlers, frauds, liars, and lunatics making a string of catastrophic
decisions. This is a plain fact. But who elected them? It was you! You who appointed these
people! You who gave them the power to make your decisions for you! While I’ll admit that
anyone can make a mistake once, to go on making the same lethal errors century after
century seems to me nothing short of deliberate. You have encouraged these malicious
incompetents, who have made your working life a shambles. You have accepted without
question their senseless orders. You have allowed them to fill your workspace with dangerous
and unproven machines. You could have stopped them. All you had to say was, ‘No.’” -V
“If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don’t have to worry about answers.” -Thomas Pynchon
“All for ourselves, and nothing for other people, seems, in every age of the world, to have been the vile maxim of the masters of mankind.” -Adam Smith
“Why throw money at problems? That's what money is for. Should the nation's wealth be redistributed? It has been and continues to be redistributed to a few people in a manner strikingly unhelpful.” -Kurt Vonnegut
“Socialism never took root in America because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires.” -John Steinbeck
“If you took the most ardent revolutionary, vested him in absolute power, within a year he would be worse than the Tsar himself.” -Mikhail Bakunin
“In all history, there is no instance of a country having benefited from prolonged warfare.” -Sun Tzu
“...pero Capitán, obedecer por obedecer, así, sin pensarlo... sólo lo hacen gentes como usted, Capitán.” -Dr Ferreiro, Pan’s Labyrinth
“If the doors of perception were cleansed, everything would appear to man as it is: infinite. For man has closed himself up, till he sees all things thro' narrow chinks of his cavern.” -William Blake
“Yeah, you really got my act down good, guys. That'll be great. ‘You know, when I’m done ranting about elite power that rules the planet under a totalitarian government that uses the media in order to keep people stupid, my throat gets parched! That’s why I drink Orange Drink.’” -Bill Hicks








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Old 05/31/2009   #21
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I see your guy's point, but what I'm going for is not just people saying "Cloud sucks!" but I want people to post pictures, videos and games et all of Cloud getting abused (like my Cloud abuse game) or pictures of Sephiroth winning the fight or stories or what have you.

Regardless of having your permission to do this here or not, I am going to do it, I just thought that this would be a good place to start it to bring people in.


also... there was a Tifa's a slut club and I missed it?
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Old 05/31/2009   #22
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What threads are you referring to, Aaron? I only remember doing that to the one thread that *was* opened as a hate thread that degenerated into people just saying they hate X character from FF with no discussion as to why. And I did that so there'd be more discussion and less "I HATE X" and crap.

And yeah, I was just referring to MOG. I guess I should've specified but I just wanted to let everyone know to continue intelligently debatnig like they were. That's all.

@Quexinos
...What have I been saying? A club based on torturing Cloud is silly and ridiculous. I just said, a club/group like that is unnecessarily negative and ridiculous. That's not allowed and is essentially the same thing. If you want to show off your creative stuff then do it in the creative section like everyone else. But go make your club else where.

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Old 05/31/2009   #23
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That was the main thread I was referring to, and it wasn't opened as a hate thread.
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“When I was twelve, I milked my eel into a pot of turtle stew.
I flogged the one-eyed snake, I skinned my sausage, I made
the bald man cry into the turtle stew, which I do believe my
sister ate. At least, I hope she did.” -Tyrion Lannister
“The management is very bad. In fact, let’s not mince words: The management is terrible!
We’ve had a string of embezzlers, frauds, liars, and lunatics making a string of catastrophic
decisions. This is a plain fact. But who elected them? It was you! You who appointed these
people! You who gave them the power to make your decisions for you! While I’ll admit that
anyone can make a mistake once, to go on making the same lethal errors century after
century seems to me nothing short of deliberate. You have encouraged these malicious
incompetents, who have made your working life a shambles. You have accepted without
question their senseless orders. You have allowed them to fill your workspace with dangerous
and unproven machines. You could have stopped them. All you had to say was, ‘No.’” -V
“If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don’t have to worry about answers.” -Thomas Pynchon
“All for ourselves, and nothing for other people, seems, in every age of the world, to have been the vile maxim of the masters of mankind.” -Adam Smith
“Why throw money at problems? That's what money is for. Should the nation's wealth be redistributed? It has been and continues to be redistributed to a few people in a manner strikingly unhelpful.” -Kurt Vonnegut
“Socialism never took root in America because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires.” -John Steinbeck
“If you took the most ardent revolutionary, vested him in absolute power, within a year he would be worse than the Tsar himself.” -Mikhail Bakunin
“In all history, there is no instance of a country having benefited from prolonged warfare.” -Sun Tzu
“...pero Capitán, obedecer por obedecer, así, sin pensarlo... sólo lo hacen gentes como usted, Capitán.” -Dr Ferreiro, Pan’s Labyrinth
“If the doors of perception were cleansed, everything would appear to man as it is: infinite. For man has closed himself up, till he sees all things thro' narrow chinks of his cavern.” -William Blake
“Yeah, you really got my act down good, guys. That'll be great. ‘You know, when I’m done ranting about elite power that rules the planet under a totalitarian government that uses the media in order to keep people stupid, my throat gets parched! That’s why I drink Orange Drink.’” -Bill Hicks








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Old 05/31/2009   #24
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The Man wrote: Not really, if the character is part of the discussion. And even if a thread does go off topic as a natural result of the debate contained within it, does it really matter? Forcing people to start a new topic wouldn't flow as naturally; a lot of times, people just cba, as evidenced by that DMC discussion the other night.
If the discussion becomes solely about the hate of that character then it is off topic if you ask me.

I'd say it matters, isn't off topic discussion considered spam? DMC discussion wouldn't have lasted long either way.
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Old 05/31/2009   #25
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Only when there's no substance to it, as far as I was aware. If off-topic discussion that legitimately flows from the original thread topic is spam then most of us have been spamming a shitload.
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“When I was twelve, I milked my eel into a pot of turtle stew.
I flogged the one-eyed snake, I skinned my sausage, I made
the bald man cry into the turtle stew, which I do believe my
sister ate. At least, I hope she did.” -Tyrion Lannister
“The management is very bad. In fact, let’s not mince words: The management is terrible!
We’ve had a string of embezzlers, frauds, liars, and lunatics making a string of catastrophic
decisions. This is a plain fact. But who elected them? It was you! You who appointed these
people! You who gave them the power to make your decisions for you! While I’ll admit that
anyone can make a mistake once, to go on making the same lethal errors century after
century seems to me nothing short of deliberate. You have encouraged these malicious
incompetents, who have made your working life a shambles. You have accepted without
question their senseless orders. You have allowed them to fill your workspace with dangerous
and unproven machines. You could have stopped them. All you had to say was, ‘No.’” -V
“If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don’t have to worry about answers.” -Thomas Pynchon
“All for ourselves, and nothing for other people, seems, in every age of the world, to have been the vile maxim of the masters of mankind.” -Adam Smith
“Why throw money at problems? That's what money is for. Should the nation's wealth be redistributed? It has been and continues to be redistributed to a few people in a manner strikingly unhelpful.” -Kurt Vonnegut
“Socialism never took root in America because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires.” -John Steinbeck
“If you took the most ardent revolutionary, vested him in absolute power, within a year he would be worse than the Tsar himself.” -Mikhail Bakunin
“In all history, there is no instance of a country having benefited from prolonged warfare.” -Sun Tzu
“...pero Capitán, obedecer por obedecer, así, sin pensarlo... sólo lo hacen gentes como usted, Capitán.” -Dr Ferreiro, Pan’s Labyrinth
“If the doors of perception were cleansed, everything would appear to man as it is: infinite. For man has closed himself up, till he sees all things thro' narrow chinks of his cavern.” -William Blake
“Yeah, you really got my act down good, guys. That'll be great. ‘You know, when I’m done ranting about elite power that rules the planet under a totalitarian government that uses the media in order to keep people stupid, my throat gets parched! That’s why I drink Orange Drink.’” -Bill Hicks








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Old 05/31/2009   #26
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Can't argue with you there.

I still disagree on this hate thread crap. It just rubs people the wrong way from experience, and few seem to be able to keep from making it unsubstantiated bawwing about a character, which in turn pisses people off.
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Old 05/31/2009   #27
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That thread was opened as a hate thread, going by its OP.

The creator clearly said its a thread for FF characters you hate and the pointless insulting shit begins from there. It had some substance for a few posts but then degenerated and Yop and I posted in there to get people to actually discuss things substantially or face its closure. That's seriously the only time I remember us having to invoke that rule and shit here. And we wanted to because it *is* in the FF discussion forum.
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Old 05/31/2009   #28
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Mako Eyes wrote: @Quexinos
...What have I been saying? A club based on torturing Cloud is silly and ridiculous. I just said, a club/group like that is unnecessarily negative and ridiculous. That's not allowed and is essentially the same thing. Make your club else where.
That's not a good argument. A lot of things on the Internet and even on this forum are silly and ridiculous. This thread has gotten pretty silly and ridiculous

This is a Final Fantasy forum and I think people should be allowed to discuss their likes AND dislikes. I don't think it's fair to say no you can't have a dislike/hate because it might go offcourse. My god if I were to get rid of everything here I thought was silly... there'd not be much of a forum.

but you are the admin so I respect your decision. I had every intention of moving my Cloud abuse elsewhere, I was just hoping I could rope some people in from here.

It just rubs people the wrong way from experience, and few seem to be able to keep from making it unsubstantiated bawwing about a character, which in turn pisses people off.
Then people need to grow the hell up because it's internets.

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Old 05/31/2009   #29
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Mako Eyes wrote: That thread was opened as a hate thread, going by its OP.

The creator clearly said its a thread for FF characters you hate and the pointless insulting shit begins from there. It had some substance for a few posts but then degenerated and Yop and I posted in there to get people to actually discuss things substantially or face its closure. That's seriously the only time I remember us having to invoke that rule and shit here. And we wanted to because it *is* in the FF discussion forum.
I meant the one about Hojo/Lucrecia. Sorry for the lack of clarity.

But yeah, I seriously get the impression most people here are mature enough not to cause drama over disagreements about a character. I hope.
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“When I was twelve, I milked my eel into a pot of turtle stew.
I flogged the one-eyed snake, I skinned my sausage, I made
the bald man cry into the turtle stew, which I do believe my
sister ate. At least, I hope she did.” -Tyrion Lannister
“The management is very bad. In fact, let’s not mince words: The management is terrible!
We’ve had a string of embezzlers, frauds, liars, and lunatics making a string of catastrophic
decisions. This is a plain fact. But who elected them? It was you! You who appointed these
people! You who gave them the power to make your decisions for you! While I’ll admit that
anyone can make a mistake once, to go on making the same lethal errors century after
century seems to me nothing short of deliberate. You have encouraged these malicious
incompetents, who have made your working life a shambles. You have accepted without
question their senseless orders. You have allowed them to fill your workspace with dangerous
and unproven machines. You could have stopped them. All you had to say was, ‘No.’” -V
“If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don’t have to worry about answers.” -Thomas Pynchon
“All for ourselves, and nothing for other people, seems, in every age of the world, to have been the vile maxim of the masters of mankind.” -Adam Smith
“Why throw money at problems? That's what money is for. Should the nation's wealth be redistributed? It has been and continues to be redistributed to a few people in a manner strikingly unhelpful.” -Kurt Vonnegut
“Socialism never took root in America because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires.” -John Steinbeck
“If you took the most ardent revolutionary, vested him in absolute power, within a year he would be worse than the Tsar himself.” -Mikhail Bakunin
“In all history, there is no instance of a country having benefited from prolonged warfare.” -Sun Tzu
“...pero Capitán, obedecer por obedecer, así, sin pensarlo... sólo lo hacen gentes como usted, Capitán.” -Dr Ferreiro, Pan’s Labyrinth
“If the doors of perception were cleansed, everything would appear to man as it is: infinite. For man has closed himself up, till he sees all things thro' narrow chinks of his cavern.” -William Blake
“Yeah, you really got my act down good, guys. That'll be great. ‘You know, when I’m done ranting about elite power that rules the planet under a totalitarian government that uses the media in order to keep people stupid, my throat gets parched! That’s why I drink Orange Drink.’” -Bill Hicks








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Old 05/31/2009   #30
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Okay, but I already said the Hojo/Lucrecia thread was fine so I'm not sure what you mean by bringing it up then.

It's a good thread. There's no problem there.
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