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View Poll Results: Should the Thanks system continue?
Yes. 24 60.00%
Yes, but be restricted in certain sections (Discuss). 12 30.00%
No. 4 10.00%
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Old 04/14/2016   #16
Literally Who?
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Octo wrote: I've been thinking about this overnight. What if we had a trial period where we disable thanks, for like a month or two?

I'm just thinking if we do that, then those of us who really like the thanks system can get a true assesment of how much it'll be missed, and those who don't like it will get to see if it truly makes a difference to how they feel. Then at the end of that period we could vote again?

Thoughts?

But... but then why would I post boobs and butts in the thanksfarm nudie threads?

jkjk.

I'm always up for giving stuff trial periods. Especially if it makes a portion of the boards feel more comfortable.


Re: Cliquestuff. I remember the last time this came around there were times where someone who wasn't popular or was on the cliques bad side would make a post and get 0 thanks. Then cliquetool#4 basically parrots it and you could count on it getting like 20 thanks minimum.

It was super lame


I don't think the thanks system is there again yet though is it? It feels as though the boards are on a much more lax vibe over the last few years. But if people do feel that it's like that again, well then shoot were gonna have to get to the bottom of that.

I think, as Fangu pointed out , Thanks brigading is just symptom of a greater issue though and simply removing it only helps hide it on a surface level rather then completely diminish it.



It's also worth mentioning not every single post ever is worth thanking. I know X and Tres would have you think otherwise <3.
I know sometimes I make a joke/gif post thinking its going to be a big hit and it doesn't. No big deal I'm not gonna turn around and make a list of everyone who posted in the thread after I made the post or something lol.

Similarly just because a post isn't thanked does not mean its not appreciated, agreed with etc. There's tons of times where I see a post that I thought was great but just simply forget to thank it. Often times you can go into a thread and see I liked a string of posts hours after I replied to them, that's IF I realize i goofed to.



I won't suggest getting thick skin to those of you who feel wronged by the thanks system. If there is legitimately people who may feel wronged by it or by a group I think it's best to just speak up and talk it out.
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Old 04/14/2016   #17
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ForceStealer wrote: The only negative to the Thanks system is when Tres doesn't thank you.
I can't.....thank......this enough


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Old 04/14/2016   #18
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Oh by the way guys, if we get rid of it, I want 10p for every thank I got. I worked it out, it's roughly 3766. But don't worry, I can wait
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Old 04/14/2016   #19
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Octo wrote: Oh by the way guys, if we get rid of it, I want 10p for every thank I got. I worked it out, it's roughly 3766. But don't worry, I can wait
I want 10 real money. That equates to about 27000 internets. Or one night with Lex.
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Old 04/14/2016   #20
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AvecAloes wrote: I strongly disagree with this. Literally the biggest deterrent? Not the posts from people saying that they disagree with someone's viewpoint? Not someone having to constantly defend their unpopular opinion when most of the members in those threads disagree with them? THAT'S tiring. THAT'S why I stay out of the debate threads - debating with a majority of people who do not share your opinion is incredibly draining and can end up feeling demoralizing. I don't care how many people THANK a post that says "Your opinion is wrong and here's why" if it doesn't agree with my opinion, I care about how things are worded and how things come off. Not garnering thanks (or seeing others get them) is so different from feeling berated for your opinion. Maybe one can contribute to the other, sure, but to say that the Thanks system is the biggest deterrent seems way off to me.
Well I'll definitely concede that my wording was extreme and perhaps for most it isn't the biggest detterent. However, I do see it as an unnecessary deterrent, and a rather big one.
For some it can be incredibly demoralising to read many posts disagreeing and criticising one viewpoint or post. But this seems to happen anyway. And every single one of those posts gets thanked by A) all of those involved in the debate on that side and B) a handful of members not even taking part in that discussion. This is where the 'ganging up' feeling comes for many members and stands as a huge deterrent for members. We can't remove members' ability to stack critically opposed posts directed at one person in that section (though I'd hope it's kept to a minimum out of respect). What we are discussing is the possibility of removing that ability to weigh in against somebody without actually providing any criticism.

Number 1, I would also like to point out that it seems that the majority of the people on this forum have political/ethical/whatever opinions that sway further towards liberal ideals than conservative. Maybe there aren't many people in there disagreeing with you because there just aren't that many people on the boards who do.
We indeed do have a majority of people with liberal opinions on this forum. We also have at least a handful of members with more conservative viewpoints. A few of these members have already expressed their discomfort with the nature of Thanks in that section - both publicly on the forum and off forum too - and have stopped posting there altogether or dramatically decreased their activity. While I don't share those views I can totally understand why.

Number 2, without the thanks system, people will still know when people disagree with their opinion, trust me. People are going to post saying as much. How is that really any different? At least with the Thanks system, you won't necessarily have 12 people saying that they disagree with you in individual posts, which I think can be a lot more discouraging than seeing 11 people thank 1 person's post who stated what they're all thinking, anyway. Sometimes silent support can be intimidating, but having more instances of vocal support seems worse to me, honestly.
The thing is, the Thanks system isn't silent support. For many who take issue with it in that section, it's plenty vocal. The only issue with that is there's nothing constructive in that support. By thanking a post that disagrees with another you're adding a number to that opposition without actually adding to the debate. Numbers are intimidating.
You're right though, I would at least find 12 opposing posts as intimidating as one post with 11 thanks. But that doesn't happen anyway. An opposing post may have 11 thanks but more often or not there's at least half that number also making their own posts with a similar number of thanks. So we have 6 people responding, all thanking each other's posts, and an additional 6 people who are weighing in without actually adding anything constructive. There we have numbers that are purely standing in opposition and not actually offering anything to the person being opposed, other than, potentially, anxiety.

At the end of the day I love the Thanks system, but feel it takes more away from the News, Politics, Religion & Debate section than it adds.
To add a non-objective viewpoint, it happens to be the reason I don't post there myself. There are times I'd like to but I wouldn't be comfortable with the current state of it, with the Thanks system being the biggest reason for that. But I'm just one voice and if the majority don't feel there ought to be a change - even a trial one - then that's how the cookie crumbles.

Also, my apologies if this post contains errors. I wrote it from my phone and the formatting was a bitch to do
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Old 04/14/2016   #21
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You know Tres is gonna thank every single post in this thread when he gets online.

I'm one of the people that benefits from the thank system in the serious discussion threads. If we were talking I could do it for hours but when it comes to typing I have the attention spam of a toddler (srsly this post took me almost an hour to write).

The majority of the forum base is liberal, people with more conservative views are in the minority, removing the thank system isn't going to change that. There has to be a better way to make sure that everyone can share their opinion and feel like they can have a productive discussion in the serious threads without feeling like they're being ganged up on. Like not being antagonistic towards a different opinion or not letting 9 people or so argue with one person. That is unless their opinion is straight up crazy, like that person a long time ago talking about bestiality or incest or whatever the fuck that shit was.
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Old 04/14/2016   #22
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ForceStealer wrote: The only negative to the Thanks system is when Tres doesn't thank you.
Haha when Tres doesn't thank your post, you know you done fucked up.
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Old 04/14/2016   #23
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Negasonic Teenage Warhead wrote: That is unless their opinion is straight up crazy, like that person a long time ago talking about bestiality or incest or whatever the fuck that shit was.
I was actually just re-reading the nikkolas thread!

http://thelifestream.net/forums/showthread.php?t=2155


Let's take two quick issues I have with prevaling morality...murder and incest.
What's inherently wrong with either? Nothing.
lol classic.

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Old 04/14/2016   #24
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Whaaat!? Link me! I don't remember that :p.
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Old 04/14/2016   #25
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I've never forgotten that, I was a naive little n00b back then wondering what the fuck had I gotten myself into when I joined this forum after seeing that.
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Old 04/14/2016   #26
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Gabriel wrote:
Negasonic Teenage Warhead wrote: That is unless their opinion is straight up crazy, like that person a long time ago talking about bestiality or incest or whatever the fuck that shit was.
I was actually just re-reading the nikkolas thread!

http://thelifestream.net/forums/showthread.php?t=2155



EDIT:

That Fuckin' Guy wrote: WHy is incest wrong? How two do cousins in the South fucking do anything that hurts anybody? Laws are in place to keep people from doing things that would hurt others, right? So how does two consenting adults who happen to share bloodlines having sex effect anyone?
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Old 04/14/2016   #27
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Octo wrote: Oh by the way guys, if we get rid of it, I want 10p for every thank I got. I worked it out, it's roughly 3766. But don't worry, I can wait
i would only 2564, i'm feeling cheated and personally victimised by the thanks system now, let's remove it

i was going to make a proper post, but then i ended up thanking other people's posts that said what i would have said
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Old 04/14/2016   #28
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But you've just contradicted yourself, Joe:

Joe wrote: It doesn't promote discussion of topics and instead entices people into silently supporting an opinion, without giving their reasons why.
Joe wrote: It's not a nice feeling to see posts that heavily criticize your views getting silent support from dozens of people.
Joe wrote: The thing is, the Thanks system isn't silent support.
Is it, or isn't it? I think it is, but I'm pretty sure that's part of its intended purpose.

As for the rest of your post, I do appreciate that you're standing up for those who might feel that they're being bullied out of the debate threads, and if people are truly avoiding that part of the forums because they think the system is broken, then of course it should be looked at. I personally don't have the same feelings about the Thanks system being a big culprit, but that's just me. I don't post in those threads because I often get flustered in debates and don't like arguing about things that I know I won't change my mind on anyway, not because of the Thanks system. If there is a majority of people in the debates section feel that the Thanks system is a deterrent, and if we can't turn off the system for a singular subforum, can we ask people to avoid using it in that section?
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Old 04/14/2016   #29
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While my wording is contradictory my explanation isn't. It entices people to throw their oar into mix without actually promoting any discussion. Their 'voice' is still heard by those it opposes but they gain nothing from it, only the knowledge that the majority oppose them.

The thing is I feel rather strangely about this referendum too. I mean, it's clear that a minority are affected by this issue. The votes are going to reflect that.
Personally I feel like enough people clearly have some problem with it to justify looking into it.
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Old 04/14/2016   #30
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"Cliquey" behavior is always a tyranny of the majority thing. The question is is it more just to remove something from the majority to appease the minority? Honestly I think removing it from some subforums - if that's even possible - seems a fair compromise.
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