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Old 02/24/2009   #16
The Man
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Nice straw man. I never said or even implied that there's no point in enforcing any rules whatsoever, or that staff should never enforce rules unless members complain. I'm simply saying staff should use common sense instead of enacting punishments and deleting posts every time there's a violation of them. Sometimes violations of rules don't actually cause any harm. And is there any need for the haughty attitude?
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“When I was twelve, I milked my eel into a pot of turtle stew.
I flogged the one-eyed snake, I skinned my sausage, I made
the bald man cry into the turtle stew, which I do believe my
sister ate. At least, I hope she did.” -Tyrion Lannister
“The management is very bad. In fact, let’s not mince words: The management is terrible!
We’ve had a string of embezzlers, frauds, liars, and lunatics making a string of catastrophic
decisions. This is a plain fact. But who elected them? It was you! You who appointed these
people! You who gave them the power to make your decisions for you! While I’ll admit that
anyone can make a mistake once, to go on making the same lethal errors century after
century seems to me nothing short of deliberate. You have encouraged these malicious
incompetents, who have made your working life a shambles. You have accepted without
question their senseless orders. You have allowed them to fill your workspace with dangerous
and unproven machines. You could have stopped them. All you had to say was, ‘No.’” -V
“If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don’t have to worry about answers.” -Thomas Pynchon
“All for ourselves, and nothing for other people, seems, in every age of the world, to have been the vile maxim of the masters of mankind.” -Adam Smith
“Why throw money at problems? That's what money is for. Should the nation's wealth be redistributed? It has been and continues to be redistributed to a few people in a manner strikingly unhelpful.” -Kurt Vonnegut
“Socialism never took root in America because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires.” -John Steinbeck
“If you took the most ardent revolutionary, vested him in absolute power, within a year he would be worse than the Tsar himself.” -Mikhail Bakunin
“In all history, there is no instance of a country having benefited from prolonged warfare.” -Sun Tzu
“...pero Capitán, obedecer por obedecer, así, sin pensarlo... sólo lo hacen gentes como usted, Capitán.” -Dr Ferreiro, Pan’s Labyrinth
“If the doors of perception were cleansed, everything would appear to man as it is: infinite. For man has closed himself up, till he sees all things thro' narrow chinks of his cavern.” -William Blake
“Yeah, you really got my act down good, guys. That'll be great. ‘You know, when I’m done ranting about elite power that rules the planet under a totalitarian government that uses the media in order to keep people stupid, my throat gets parched! That’s why I drink Orange Drink.’” -Bill Hicks








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Old 02/24/2009   #17
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They do have the power to enforce rules. Being a knob about them is a different thing.
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Old 02/24/2009   #18
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Everyone's enjoying themselves, except for maybe Mog, and the forum is relatively free of drama and bullshit.

I don't see the problem personally.
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Old 02/24/2009   #19
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Why don't they just make a spam forum to keep the anti-spam mods and the member base happy? If it looks like its going to the shitter simply get rid of it.
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Old 02/24/2009   #20
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I think a spam forum is a very bad idea personally.
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Old 02/24/2009   #21
The Man
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People are afraid that it would turn into ACF's spam forum apparently.

I still don't get what exactly would be wrong with that, but whatever.
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Dreams are always ending far too soon









“When I was twelve, I milked my eel into a pot of turtle stew.
I flogged the one-eyed snake, I skinned my sausage, I made
the bald man cry into the turtle stew, which I do believe my
sister ate. At least, I hope she did.” -Tyrion Lannister
“The management is very bad. In fact, let’s not mince words: The management is terrible!
We’ve had a string of embezzlers, frauds, liars, and lunatics making a string of catastrophic
decisions. This is a plain fact. But who elected them? It was you! You who appointed these
people! You who gave them the power to make your decisions for you! While I’ll admit that
anyone can make a mistake once, to go on making the same lethal errors century after
century seems to me nothing short of deliberate. You have encouraged these malicious
incompetents, who have made your working life a shambles. You have accepted without
question their senseless orders. You have allowed them to fill your workspace with dangerous
and unproven machines. You could have stopped them. All you had to say was, ‘No.’” -V
“If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don’t have to worry about answers.” -Thomas Pynchon
“All for ourselves, and nothing for other people, seems, in every age of the world, to have been the vile maxim of the masters of mankind.” -Adam Smith
“Why throw money at problems? That's what money is for. Should the nation's wealth be redistributed? It has been and continues to be redistributed to a few people in a manner strikingly unhelpful.” -Kurt Vonnegut
“Socialism never took root in America because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires.” -John Steinbeck
“If you took the most ardent revolutionary, vested him in absolute power, within a year he would be worse than the Tsar himself.” -Mikhail Bakunin
“In all history, there is no instance of a country having benefited from prolonged warfare.” -Sun Tzu
“...pero Capitán, obedecer por obedecer, así, sin pensarlo... sólo lo hacen gentes como usted, Capitán.” -Dr Ferreiro, Pan’s Labyrinth
“If the doors of perception were cleansed, everything would appear to man as it is: infinite. For man has closed himself up, till he sees all things thro' narrow chinks of his cavern.” -William Blake
“Yeah, you really got my act down good, guys. That'll be great. ‘You know, when I’m done ranting about elite power that rules the planet under a totalitarian government that uses the media in order to keep people stupid, my throat gets parched! That’s why I drink Orange Drink.’” -Bill Hicks








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Old 02/24/2009   #22
Cat Rage Room
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I'm simply saying staff should use common sense instead of enforcing the rules every time there's a violation of them.
Okay I will humor you this and answer you. I previously made a topic in the Staff forum about Emperor Jokers pointless, rampant spamming. Cthulu responded with this;

Good job and justice, hand out warnings if he does it again. Same goes for his cybar friend.
Now obviously I'm not going to be a Nazi about it nor do I plan on going WARN CRAZY but this obviously signifies that this has been acknowledged as an issue among the staff and at the VERY LEAST I've been given authorization to warn people if it continually gets out of hand.

I understand I could have been less dickish, but I made this topic to 'warn' everyone ahead of time to avoid any problems in the future (such as actual warnings)
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Old 02/24/2009   #23
CK
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[quote author=V link=topic=579.msg22252#msg22252 date=1235449504]
People are afraid that it would turn into ACF's spam forum apparently.

I still don't get what exactly would be wrong with that, but whatever.
[/quote]

people might get picked on and cause drama. But if there's at least some rules/guidelines and some proper mod enforcing there shouldn't be too many problems. And if there was going to be crap on this forum it would've already happened somewhere else.
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Old 02/24/2009   #24
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[quote author=The Notorious M.O.G. link=topic=579.msg22253#msg22253 date=1235449522]
I'm simply saying staff should use common sense instead of enforcing the rules every time there's a violation of them.
Okay I will humor you this and answer you. I previously made a topic in the Staff forum about Emperor Jokers pointless, rampant spamming. Cthulu responded with this;

Good job and justice, hand out warnings if he does it again. Same goes for his cybar friend.
Now obviously I'm not going to be a Nazi about it nor do I plan on going WARN CRAZY but this obviously signifies that this has been acknowledged as an issue among the staff and at the VERY LEAST I've been given authorization to warn people if it continually gets out of hand.

I understand I could have been less dickish, but I made this topic to 'warn' everyone ahead of time to avoid any problems in the future (such as actual warnings)
[/quote]And I'm saying that if no one outside staff had a expressed complaints about how much Mumble and Kuno-Ichi have been posting, then it's not particularly important. If it derails a particularly important thread, split it, but I haven't yet seen them derail a thread that actually contained active discussion.

[quote author=CeeK link=topic=579.msg22254#msg22254 date=1235449675]
[quote author=V link=topic=579.msg22252#msg22252 date=1235449504]
People are afraid that it would turn into ACF's spam forum apparently.

I still don't get what exactly would be wrong with that, but whatever.
[/quote]

people might get picked on and cause drama. But if there's at least some rules/guidelines and some proper mod enforcing there shouldn't be too many problems. And if there was going to be crap on this forum it would've already happened somewhere else.
[/quote]
Even if there is crap, who cares as long as it gets confined to the spam forum? It worked fine on ACF as long as Darkbeat/SY/SW/Sinfinity weren't interfering with it. (Which admittedly added up to about three months total, but whatever)
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You’re better off not dreaming of the things to come
Dreams are always ending far too soon









“When I was twelve, I milked my eel into a pot of turtle stew.
I flogged the one-eyed snake, I skinned my sausage, I made
the bald man cry into the turtle stew, which I do believe my
sister ate. At least, I hope she did.” -Tyrion Lannister
“The management is very bad. In fact, let’s not mince words: The management is terrible!
We’ve had a string of embezzlers, frauds, liars, and lunatics making a string of catastrophic
decisions. This is a plain fact. But who elected them? It was you! You who appointed these
people! You who gave them the power to make your decisions for you! While I’ll admit that
anyone can make a mistake once, to go on making the same lethal errors century after
century seems to me nothing short of deliberate. You have encouraged these malicious
incompetents, who have made your working life a shambles. You have accepted without
question their senseless orders. You have allowed them to fill your workspace with dangerous
and unproven machines. You could have stopped them. All you had to say was, ‘No.’” -V
“If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don’t have to worry about answers.” -Thomas Pynchon
“All for ourselves, and nothing for other people, seems, in every age of the world, to have been the vile maxim of the masters of mankind.” -Adam Smith
“Why throw money at problems? That's what money is for. Should the nation's wealth be redistributed? It has been and continues to be redistributed to a few people in a manner strikingly unhelpful.” -Kurt Vonnegut
“Socialism never took root in America because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires.” -John Steinbeck
“If you took the most ardent revolutionary, vested him in absolute power, within a year he would be worse than the Tsar himself.” -Mikhail Bakunin
“In all history, there is no instance of a country having benefited from prolonged warfare.” -Sun Tzu
“...pero Capitán, obedecer por obedecer, así, sin pensarlo... sólo lo hacen gentes como usted, Capitán.” -Dr Ferreiro, Pan’s Labyrinth
“If the doors of perception were cleansed, everything would appear to man as it is: infinite. For man has closed himself up, till he sees all things thro' narrow chinks of his cavern.” -William Blake
“Yeah, you really got my act down good, guys. That'll be great. ‘You know, when I’m done ranting about elite power that rules the planet under a totalitarian government that uses the media in order to keep people stupid, my throat gets parched! That’s why I drink Orange Drink.’” -Bill Hicks








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Old 02/24/2009   #25
Max Payne
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And the off topic spam from Cthulhu himself?

Where's that fall?
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Old 02/24/2009   #26
Cat Rage Room
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[quote author=CeeK link=topic=579.msg22254#msg22254 date=1235449675]
[quote author=V link=topic=579.msg22252#msg22252 date=1235449504]
People are afraid that it would turn into ACF's spam forum apparently.

I still don't get what exactly would be wrong with that, but whatever.
[/quote]

people might get picked on and cause drama. But if there's at least some rules/guidelines and some proper mod enforcing there shouldn't be too many problems. And if there was going to be crap on this forum it would've already happened somewhere else.
[/quote]

Personally, personally (and I emphasize on personally because this has no bearings on the subjective enforcement of rules), I think that 'spam' forums and the constant allowment of spam is incredibly retarded and it undermines actual discussion. Being familiar and dicking around now and then is fine, but I would loathe an entire board revolving around the principle of spam. But that's just me personally, pay that no mind in regards to this topic.

And I'm saying that if no one outside staff had a expressed complaints about how much Mumble and Kuno-Ichi have been posting, then it's not particularly important. If it derails a particularly important thread, split it, but I haven't yet seen them derail a thread that actually contained active discussion
That's your opinion. Personally, I do not believe that's how a board (or hell, anywhere) should be run. Sorry dude, but I disagree. If you want to make a case about it, feel free to!

[quote author=Dacon link=topic=579.msg22256#msg22256 date=1235449921]
And the off topic spam from Cthulhu himself?

Where's that fall?
[/quote]

I've never seen him do it as bad as some other people I've seen. If I have, I've have something to say about it as well. I do not believe that Staff should be exempt from rules.
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Old 02/24/2009   #27
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[quote author=The Notorious M.O.G. link=topic=579.msg22257#msg22257 date=1235449928]
[quote author=CeeK link=topic=579.msg22254#msg22254 date=1235449675]
[quote author=V link=topic=579.msg22252#msg22252 date=1235449504]
People are afraid that it would turn into ACF's spam forum apparently.

I still don't get what exactly would be wrong with that, but whatever.
[/quote]

people might get picked on and cause drama. But if there's at least some rules/guidelines and some proper mod enforcing there shouldn't be too many problems. And if there was going to be crap on this forum it would've already happened somewhere else.
[/quote]

Personally, personally (and I emphasize on personally because this has no bearings on the subjective enforcement of rules), I think that 'spam' forums and the constant allowment of spam is incredibly retarded and it undermines actual discussion. Being familiar and dicking around now and then is fine, but I would loathe an entire board revolving around the principle of spam. But that's just me personally, pay that no mind in regards to this topic.[/quote]That doesn't happen. ACF wasn't a spam board. You even posted there, so I'm not really sure how you could get that impression. There were many problems with ACF, but the quality of the discussion wasn't one of them.

And I'm saying that if no one outside staff had a expressed complaints about how much Mumble and Kuno-Ichi have been posting, then it's not particularly important. If it derails a particularly important thread, split it, but I haven't yet seen them derail a thread that actually contained active discussion
That's your opinion. Personally, I do not believe that's how a board (or hell, anywhere) should be run. Sorry dude, but I disagree. If you want to make a case about it, feel free to!
Present an example of them derailing an active, serious discussion; otherwise you've yet to present a rationale for why it's destructive other than that you don't like reading spam posts.

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You’re better off not dreaming of the things to come
Dreams are always ending far too soon









“When I was twelve, I milked my eel into a pot of turtle stew.
I flogged the one-eyed snake, I skinned my sausage, I made
the bald man cry into the turtle stew, which I do believe my
sister ate. At least, I hope she did.” -Tyrion Lannister
“The management is very bad. In fact, let’s not mince words: The management is terrible!
We’ve had a string of embezzlers, frauds, liars, and lunatics making a string of catastrophic
decisions. This is a plain fact. But who elected them? It was you! You who appointed these
people! You who gave them the power to make your decisions for you! While I’ll admit that
anyone can make a mistake once, to go on making the same lethal errors century after
century seems to me nothing short of deliberate. You have encouraged these malicious
incompetents, who have made your working life a shambles. You have accepted without
question their senseless orders. You have allowed them to fill your workspace with dangerous
and unproven machines. You could have stopped them. All you had to say was, ‘No.’” -V
“If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don’t have to worry about answers.” -Thomas Pynchon
“All for ourselves, and nothing for other people, seems, in every age of the world, to have been the vile maxim of the masters of mankind.” -Adam Smith
“Why throw money at problems? That's what money is for. Should the nation's wealth be redistributed? It has been and continues to be redistributed to a few people in a manner strikingly unhelpful.” -Kurt Vonnegut
“Socialism never took root in America because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires.” -John Steinbeck
“If you took the most ardent revolutionary, vested him in absolute power, within a year he would be worse than the Tsar himself.” -Mikhail Bakunin
“In all history, there is no instance of a country having benefited from prolonged warfare.” -Sun Tzu
“...pero Capitán, obedecer por obedecer, así, sin pensarlo... sólo lo hacen gentes como usted, Capitán.” -Dr Ferreiro, Pan’s Labyrinth
“If the doors of perception were cleansed, everything would appear to man as it is: infinite. For man has closed himself up, till he sees all things thro' narrow chinks of his cavern.” -William Blake
“Yeah, you really got my act down good, guys. That'll be great. ‘You know, when I’m done ranting about elite power that rules the planet under a totalitarian government that uses the media in order to keep people stupid, my throat gets parched! That’s why I drink Orange Drink.’” -Bill Hicks








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Old 02/24/2009   #28
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Posting poems about Shogoth or whatever isn't spam at all in an Election thread.
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Old 02/24/2009   #29
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That doesn't happen. ACF wasn't a spam board. You even posted there, so I'm not really sure how you could get that impression. There were many problems with ACF, but the quality of the discussion wasn't one of them.
One of the biggest fucking things I hated about ACF was the spam, and not just the spam board (which was the worst), but in general. But like I said, that's just me personally.

Present an example of them derailing an active, serious discussion; otherwise you've yet to present a rationale for why it's destructive other than that you don't like reading spam posts.
http://thelifestream.net/forums/gene...on-thread/510/

A topic doesn't have to be OMG SERIOUS STUFF in order for it not to be important enough not to be spammed. Disrupting a topic with spam curtails actual discussion, discourages new posters, and just takes up space.
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Old 02/24/2009   #30
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[quote author=The Notorious M.O.G. link=topic=579.msg22261#msg22261 date=1235450414]
That doesn't happen. ACF wasn't a spam board. You even posted there, so I'm not really sure how you could get that impression. There were many problems with ACF, but the quality of the discussion wasn't one of them.
One of the biggest fucking things I hated about ACF was the spam, and not just the spam board (which was the worst), but in general. But like I said, that's just me personally. [/quote]Yeah, I really didn't ever notice any spam to speak of outside of General Chat, and I posted there for two years before it closed.

Present an example of them derailing an active, serious discussion; otherwise you've yet to present a rationale for why it's destructive other than that you don't like reading spam posts.
http://thelifestream.net/forums/gene...on-thread/510/

A topic doesn't have to be OMG SERIOUS STUFF in order for it not to be important enough not to be spammed. Disrupting a topic with spam curtails actual discussion, discourages new posters, and just takes up space.
The Member Picture Discussion Thread? Seriously? That's your example of a serious discussion thread that got derailed?

Member Picture Discussion is the very definition of a spam thread. The whole reason it exists is so members can banter with one another.

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Dreams are always ending far too soon









“When I was twelve, I milked my eel into a pot of turtle stew.
I flogged the one-eyed snake, I skinned my sausage, I made
the bald man cry into the turtle stew, which I do believe my
sister ate. At least, I hope she did.” -Tyrion Lannister
“The management is very bad. In fact, let’s not mince words: The management is terrible!
We’ve had a string of embezzlers, frauds, liars, and lunatics making a string of catastrophic
decisions. This is a plain fact. But who elected them? It was you! You who appointed these
people! You who gave them the power to make your decisions for you! While I’ll admit that
anyone can make a mistake once, to go on making the same lethal errors century after
century seems to me nothing short of deliberate. You have encouraged these malicious
incompetents, who have made your working life a shambles. You have accepted without
question their senseless orders. You have allowed them to fill your workspace with dangerous
and unproven machines. You could have stopped them. All you had to say was, ‘No.’” -V
“If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don’t have to worry about answers.” -Thomas Pynchon
“All for ourselves, and nothing for other people, seems, in every age of the world, to have been the vile maxim of the masters of mankind.” -Adam Smith
“Why throw money at problems? That's what money is for. Should the nation's wealth be redistributed? It has been and continues to be redistributed to a few people in a manner strikingly unhelpful.” -Kurt Vonnegut
“Socialism never took root in America because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires.” -John Steinbeck
“If you took the most ardent revolutionary, vested him in absolute power, within a year he would be worse than the Tsar himself.” -Mikhail Bakunin
“In all history, there is no instance of a country having benefited from prolonged warfare.” -Sun Tzu
“...pero Capitán, obedecer por obedecer, así, sin pensarlo... sólo lo hacen gentes como usted, Capitán.” -Dr Ferreiro, Pan’s Labyrinth
“If the doors of perception were cleansed, everything would appear to man as it is: infinite. For man has closed himself up, till he sees all things thro' narrow chinks of his cavern.” -William Blake
“Yeah, you really got my act down good, guys. That'll be great. ‘You know, when I’m done ranting about elite power that rules the planet under a totalitarian government that uses the media in order to keep people stupid, my throat gets parched! That’s why I drink Orange Drink.’” -Bill Hicks








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