Yoru
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This. So many people forget that Aerith never knew the real Cloud. She loved a fantasy. That's the whole point of the LS scene. It was never Cloud all along.
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GamerSkull
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It is of dubious canonicity but it seems to always be brought up for some reason. Although I have to say, it always seems to be brought up in LTD conversations.
Also, welcome!
Yoru
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No problem ! We can't know everything, that's why we're all here to talk and exchange !
the whole of the original FF7 and its revelations are literally an irony and a play on popular tropes at the times and that is why its so fucking good
It's partly why I feel like trying to make Zack and Aerith important in literally everything FF7 related sucks
I love how in the original FF7 Zack and Aerith are the typical hero and heroine but these ideas are completely spun on their heads. And Cloud is affectionately a loser pretending to be a 'hero', Aerith the 'heroine' is unceremoniously killed off, whilst Tifa the heroine is the one to save the hero at the end of the day so he can save the world
its such an amazing twist and beauty to it that has literally been bogged down by so much bs at times with all the new additions
Hellenic
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They can't be consistent when their takes keep getting debunked left and right, so ofc they need to move the goalpost.
Quite annoyingly the only specific quote concerning Maiden that I can find atm is this one.
But I distinctly remember finding a quote from an interview at some point where he more specifically mentioned having received no oversight. Either I've been berenstain beared or this shit is just gone. (this quote, plus the numerous inconsistencies + common sense should be enough, but I'd still like more).
But I distinctly remember finding a quote from an interview at some point where he more specifically mentioned having received no oversight. Either I've been berenstain beared or this shit is just gone. (this quote, plus the numerous inconsistencies + common sense should be enough, but I'd still like more).
LNK
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That's def fair. I think it is also fair to think the opposite though. I'm not saying that is what's happening in this situation, but I have seen it in real life.
GamerSkull
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Well, I think it is definitely something people have felt in real life. I just don’t believe AC is promoting that behavior. What kind of message is that? “Hey, so the game was about moving on from loss, so now we’ll make a movie in which we’ll romanticize not moving on.” Doesn’t seem to make sense.
So the idea that Cloud wanting to die so he can see Aerith is definitely not what they are going for.
And what does that say about Aerith too? “Yeah, can’t wait until the man I love dies… we’ll be together forever. Also Zack can watch us. Also, I’m okay with Tifa being depressed because Cloud is dead and mine.”
Plus regardless of whether or not it happens in real life, people being done with life to see their loved ones is unhealthy. So why romanticize it?
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In all context, LTD at times becomes more important than the story of ff7 itself and this is something that hurts. The fact is that LTD "ruins" the game a bit and it does this starting from marketing; trailers piss off CT, game pisses off CA. Here SE should have been more intelligent and decided definitively which couple to pursue (in part it did so but also not did so). Someone might say: it's a jrpg and therefore I want to decide, but the truth is that the moment you give a specific characterization to the character of Cloud the role-playing key loses effect on the character's emotional choices. Now this is fine with me because it gives more depth to the narrative and the best would be if in part 3 SE made things clear: "my story, my decisions".
Yoru
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Yes it could happen in real life.
But it's not what's happening in AC tho. My boy has survivor guilt and just ashamed to live an happy life. He wants to be forgiven. Plot twist. There is nothing to forgive. Shit happens in life. Aerith never hold any grudge. Move on with your life.
From the FFVII 10th Anniversary Ultimania on Cloud Character Profile
LNK
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I don't think that's what AC is promoting either. If anything, it's promoting moving through trauma.
GamerSkull
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LNK
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Idk if I really agree with this though. If you're not looking at the material from the lens of an extreme LTD type fan, there was nothing wrong with how SE handled their trailers. Instead, what should be done, is those extreme fans should grow up and get more life experiences
I believe that people should interpret AC as it should be interpreted, that is:
Cloud wants to live and be happy but after the geostigma crisis the fear of losing loved ones makes him recall traumas from a past that saw him lose his family, his best friend and a spiritually important person for him.
I would throw this interpretation in the face of all those mental deviants who, for a fucking ship, make a poor kid look like an idiot who wants to die and has no respect for life.
Cloud wants to live and be happy but after the geostigma crisis the fear of losing loved ones makes him recall traumas from a past that saw him lose his family, his best friend and a spiritually important person for him.
I would throw this interpretation in the face of all those mental deviants who, for a fucking ship, make a poor kid look like an idiot who wants to die and has no respect for life.
GamerSkull
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From a marketing standpoint, it was probably a good decision as it might have helped sell copies.
As far as ships go, kinda mean to both CT and CA.
Normie fans will likely not care as much other than “huh, wonder if Cloud will end up with Aerith or not? Guess I’ll find out.”
As far as ships go, kinda mean to both CT and CA.
Normie fans will likely not care as much other than “huh, wonder if Cloud will end up with Aerith or not? Guess I’ll find out.”
LNK
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Bait, for what? and who?
LNK
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Who cares about them though? I'm sorry to be so blunt about it, but those people should be ignored. Especially when it comes to stuff like this. They already have issues outside of their ship that they need to work on. There's a reason they are apart of the extreme. They have issues interpreting the story as is. There is no need to cater to people like themThat's exactly what I meant; I tried to analyze things from the point of view of extreme shippers.
GamerSkull
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Yeah, some of them were pretty smug about it. Although I still kinda find it funny that they acted like it was a victory, then Tifa actually got the kiss, and they immediately backpedaled with “it’s optional” or “not canon”.
LNK
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As I just said to c.lupara, who cares about them? Their interpretation of the story is already jacked
the funny thing is that when they make these twisted reasonings, they are invalidating their ship since everything about the LTD is behind a fictitious choice. There is nothing better than non-canon = canon because yes everything is canon after all.