Honestly, I thought the compilation fit into the OG pretty well for the most part. I'd like to see nods, but not derails.
So I went ahead and investigated this. As far as I can tell, there's nothing about it on any Japanese sites to gives us any assistance in fully determining the context, unfortunately.I haven't had time to look into it thoroughly yet, though, to judge that completely.
I always did love Sephiroth's "You will rot," bit, admittedly![]()
Nomura could be just like "fuck you tabata, I'm undoing everything you did with the compilation. So BC and parts of CC get retconned
Nomura could be just like "fuck you tabata, I'm undoing everything you did with the compilation. So BC and parts of CC get retconned
Revenge for losing Versus? Nomura did seem pretty pissy about that.
At this point I'm just crossing my fingers they'll keep the main beats of the story intact without fucking with it too much. I'm braced for wildly different pacing, extra information/ new story segments to expand certain areas, unnecessary parts cut. When it comes to the remake I'm pretty much as laid back as it could get. It's essentially a new game, go nuts.
There are just certain bits I need them to not fuck with. I will riot if they don't kill Aerith and use some bullshit reason like "we wanted fans to be surprised by this moment". It wouldn't be a surprise. It would be in trend with their poor decision making for the past 16 years.
So I went ahead and investigated this. As far as I can tell, there's nothing about it on any Japanese sites to gives us any assistance in fully determining the context, unfortunately.I haven't had time to look into it thoroughly yet, though, to judge that completely.
That's frustrating. Going by even the articles posted at FFDReam, Finaland, etc. (i.e. the publications who were there in the roundtable session asking Nomura these questions), there's a note that some of Nomura's terminology was vague, and another that says the questions were asked in French. That means in order to get these English sentences, we had to have a question be translated from French to Japanese, then a response translated from Japanese to French -- and finally to English from French.
The interview took place at a tradeshow in Monaco, so it makes sense that the questions were asked in French.
Nomura could be just like "fuck you tabata, I'm undoing everything you did with the compilation. So BC and parts of CC get retconned
Revenge for losing Versus? Nomura did seem pretty pissy about that.
Except that the two have almost the same relationship that Sakaguchi had to Kitase and Nomura. Nomura's been grooming Tabata for this, and Tabata practically begged for Nomura's supervision in CC. This was a choice made by corporate.
Seems like there's a few easy compromises, like a white flash before that scene like what normally happens when Cloud searches for a missing memory, and dialogue like 'Was there something else? I don't remember.'
Or else dialogue that gives a vague allusion to it without distracting from what's going on too much. They can't go into detail or else you get
Cloud: And then Genesis showed up and gave him an apple.
Aeris: The SOLDIER 1st? Isn't he dead?
Cloud: No, see, what happened was (explains plot of CC) But anyway, back to what I was saying. We got back to Nibelheim and...
Honestly, I thought the compilation fit into the OG pretty well for the most part. I'd like to see nods, but not derails.
Seems like there's a few easy compromises, like a white flash before that scene like what normally happens when Cloud searches for a missing memory, and dialogue like 'Was there something else? I don't remember.'
Or else dialogue that gives a vague allusion to it without distracting from what's going on too much. They can't go into detail or else you get
Cloud: And then Genesis showed up and gave him an apple.
Aeris: The SOLDIER 1st? Isn't he dead?
Cloud: No, see, what happened was (explains plot of CC) But anyway, back to what I was saying. We got back to Nibelheim and...
Honestly, I thought the compilation fit into the OG pretty well for the most part. I'd like to see nods, but not derails.
Cloud was telling the story of who Sephiroth is, why people think he's dead, he's insane and why he needs to be stopped. You can make Genesis sound as stupid as you like, Crisis Core still made him more important to that story then the photographer, or Zangan, or Cloud's mom or mako fountains or whether anything was bought at the item shop.
Cloud recalled every detail from Zack and Sephiroth's conversation inside the Mako reactor, and while Zack, Sephiroth and Genesis were talking, Tifa and Cloud were fighting Genesis clones outside. Then Zack saved them. There's no reason for Cloud who remembers Zack's version of what happened to not recall either of those things. Or that they are not important enough as opposed to all the other inane details of their time at nibelheim. Genesis is still out there and Cloud has no reason to think otherwise.
...That photograph is kinda vital to the Mideel Mindscape plot's climax. Zangan is part of Tifa's background, and how she was remove to safety. So uh, I'm sort of doubting your definitions of inane. It sounds like you just really like Genesis and want him in for his own sakes rather than anything merit of the character, which is to say there is none. Genesis' existence is by default optional.
I don't think anyone is saying he necessarily had to forget, as convenient an explanation as that would be. For that matter, the original game made use of that approach endlessly, so I don't think it would be any great sin if one of us were to anyway. But again, it's not necessary that he forgot. That he has no good reason to bring it up is plenty sufficient.
Let me quote myself from the last time you said that a couple of days ago.
I don't think anyone is saying he necessarily had to forget, as convenient an explanation as that would be.
For that matter, the original game made use of that approach endlessly, so I don't think it would be any great sin if one of us were to anyway.
But again, it's not necessary that he forgot. That he has no good reason to bring it up is plenty sufficient.
Again, the photograph has a payoff. It's crucial to the Cloud mindfuckery in the Northern Crater. Having Genesis pop up and say a bunch of stuff that was not previously mentioned and will not be mentioned again would have no such payoff and therefore lousy storytelling.