FFVII: Ever Crisis Announced

[SS2Link]

an FFIV collab,

I think Edge would def go to Yuffie--unfortunately my boy Zack (favorite character obv) misses out on a lot of these collabs but that's alright. They'll def wait until Cid is out for a FF4 collab cuz he's the obvious Kain parallel in my eyes.

Honestly I can see them making Tifa be Yang and just give her a vaguely similar hair style and covering of some sort so she's not...shirtless. But making her Rosa would be really nice, a better option for sure, so I hope they do that.

 

[Theozilla]

Well since Cecil has two iconic outfits, his Dark Knight and Paladin look, I could see them splitting those two designs between Zack and Cloud. I suppose the Dark Knight look would fit Cloud’s demeanor more. Though the Paladin outfit could fit thematically with Cloud rediscovering his true self.

The only way I could see them giving Edge’s outfit to Zack over Yuffie, is if they gave Aerith Rydia’s outfit and wanted to reference how Edge has a crush on Rydia (I believe it was more evident in the 3D remake of FFIV).

 

[Suzaku]

Dark Knight Cloud and Paladin Sephiroth would be a really interesting way to do that.

Personally, hoping we actually get a set of costumes inspired by Amano's ilustrations. Which I guess has already kinda been done in Dissidia, but would be really cool.

 

[Pasuwado]

I’m in the group that’s pretty disappointed Tifa didn’t get Celes’s outfit. Sure, they don’t share the same job, but who cares? No one besides Tifa has been held to that rule

Cloud isn’t a thief, yet he’s received costumes for both Zidane and Locke.

Of course, it’s impossible to please everyone, and I understand that. Sabin’s a cool character too. But the real issue is that the outfit they gave Tifa is just plain ugly. It’s easily the least detailed of all the options, and even Angeal’s free outfit looks better.

Many artists have shown that with a few tweaks, her outfit could have looked 100% better.

The fact that she wasn’t given a heroine-themed outfit to balance with Aerith, plus the disappointing design, has really set off some of Tifa’s most passionate fans. Honestly, I’m actually glad there’s been a negative reaction, as it might reduce the chances she’s stuck with monk outfits in the future.

In a crossover with FFXVI, it would be incredibly frustrating if Tifa received Hugo’s outfit instead of Jill’s. Jill is practically Tifa 2.0, and missing that opportunity would be a huge letdown.

 

[ForceStealer]

Cloud isn’t a thief, yet he’s received costumes for both Zidane and Locke.

I agree that both of those were pretty weak, but Cloud doesn't really have a direct equivalent in IX or VI. And if people want to be shippers about it, Locke and Terra aren't the couple in VI so...there you go
And Tifa's IX outfit is far and away the best thing that's ever been done with Amarant.

And Hugo-Tifa would be insane. There's no way she doesn't get Jill, lol.

 

[Hellenic]

No. I wanted to see Tifa as an FF heroine, I knew it was literally the only collab where I'd get to see her as one. Now I won't ever see her as one.

I honestly just don't see why it matters that much for these kinda things. I personally could care less if things they get in collabs represent the opposite main characters or not in the hero and heroine roles. Hell Cloud got Locke who isn't even the protag of 6 in the first place.

I just enjoy seeing our beloved characters in some nice reference outfits with cool moves from said characters being brought in like this.

No one is gonna steal Tifas heroine position in FF7 itself regardless of what they wear in this gacha game.

All the other characters don't fit their archetype, only Tifa has to stick somehow. Let me tell you, if a rule applies to only one character, it's not a rule. It's bullshit talk to appease her fans.

The others do still maintain more or less restrictions on what they'll get even if it's less strict than just the monk picks for Tifa. You won't be seeing Aerith as a warrior like Auron or something for example. She's always gonna get the white mage/caster roles whatever those are i can guarantee you. Cloud won't be casting Holys or something as Lulu either.

Also another thing to take into account is the fact that they potentially just want to give Tifa the characters that offer her moves that make sense for a martial artist like her. I don't see Tifa doing Runic magic or whatever with her fists if she had gotten Celes here. In fact i feel like the actual kits might be more reflective of their picks than anything else at the end of the day. Tifa needs to punch and kick and sometimes shoot beams and the monks offer that best to her.

I just think this whole thing is way overblown for what it is. Tifas been treated extremely well in general in EC, considering she has the second most outfits with just 1 outfit less than Aerith, which already shows they know she's important at the very least, be it as the money maker, fan favourite or both.

That's my final piece on that i think couse i don't wanna keep this going further.

 

[Pasuwado]

I agree that both of those were pretty weak, but Cloud doesn't really have a direct equivalent in IX or VI. And if people want to be shippers about it, Locke and Terra aren't the couple in VI so...there you go
And Tifa's IX outfit is far and away the best thing that's ever been done with Amarant.

And Hugo-Tifa would be insane. There's no way she doesn't get Jill, lol.

I love the outfit Tifa got from Amarant they did a great job with it. Which makes me even more frustrated, because the Sabin outfit they gave her has noticeably less care and detail.

 

[Ryushikaze]

I think Edge would def go to Yuffie--unfortunately my boy Zack (favorite character obv) misses out on a lot of these collabs but that's alright. They'll def wait until Cid is out for a FF4 collab cuz he's the obvious Kain parallel in my eyes.

Not... Cid?
But yes, the Highwind boys matching is the more obvious answer.

Honestly I can see them making Tifa be Yang and just give her a vaguely similar hair style and covering of some sort so she's not...shirtless. But making her Rosa would be really nice, a better option for sure, so I hope they do that.

If they give Tifa an FFIV monk inspired fit, give her his daughter Ursula. Her look would be amazing on Tifa.

Well since Cecil has two iconic outfits, his Dark Knight and Paladin look, I could see them splitting those two designs between Zack and Cloud. I suppose the Dark Knight look would fit Cloud’s demeanor more. Though the Paladin outfit could fit thematically with Cloud rediscovering his true self.

Or a design that combines the two thematically, somehow. One side dark one side light.

As an aside, that Cecil of all people has never cameo'd in a fucking Kingdom Hearts is goddamn criminal.

The only way I could see them giving Edge’s outfit to Zack over Yuffie, is if they gave Aerith Rydia’s outfit and wanted to reference how Edge has a crush on Rydia (I believe it was more evident in the 3D remake of FFIV).

It was pretty blatant way back when. Even as a babu playing the simplified translation it was obvious.
But he also fits Edge's general personality, but then again so does Yuffie, which is why it's a tossup.

I agree that both of those were pretty weak, but Cloud doesn't really have a direct equivalent in IX or VI. And if people want to be shippers about it, Locke and Terra aren't the couple in VI so...there you go

Ironically Cloud's closest personality match in IX is probably Amarant himself.
And I think Celes is actually a pretty good lore match for Cloud, with Kefka matching up a lot for Seph's lore, if not aesthetic.

And Tifa's IX outfit is far and away the best thing that's ever been done with Amarant.

This is true. He's done dirty by his own game.

And Hugo-Tifa would be insane. There's no way she doesn't get Jill, lol.

Yeah, if that collab happens they'd be insane not to give Tifa Jill. Give Hugo to Barret. Cid, naturally, goes to Cait Sith. : ba dum tish :

I honestly just don't see why it matters that much for these kinda things. I personally could care less if things they get in collabs represent the opposite main characters or not in the hero and heroine roles. Hell Cloud got Locke who isn't even the protag of 6 in the first place.

Everyone in VI is the protag of VI. That's sort of the point. It's extremely ensemble and almost everyone gets a chance at being the POV character for a bit.

 

[Theozilla]

Everyone in VI is the protag of VI. That's sort of the point. It's extremely ensemble and almost everyone gets a chance at being the POV character for a bit.

Sure, almost everyone gets a chance to be a focus/POV character (minus Umaro and Gogo, and arguably Mog), but some characters are definitely more main lead protagonist-ish than others, and Terra and Celes are definitely the two characters with the most focus in FFVI (of the three minimum required characters needed to beat the game, Celes is the one the player starts out with in the World of Ruin, and then Terra is still so integral to the plot she still appears during the ending cinematic of FFVI even if she was never rediscovered/re-recruited).

Then after them, Edgar, Setzer, and Locke are all in like the tier of second most narrative focus/significance (Edgar and Setzer being the other two required characters to beat the game, and then Locke being the first playable male character introduced in the game and his central relationship to Celes is still referenced even if he is never re-recruited).

 

[Maidenofwar]

I feel with Remake/Rebirth, and Ever Crisis (her new Terra skill Riot Blade will give a triple Imperil) really starts to cement Aerith as a general caster, in Rebirth her kit seems designed for her to flourish as an offensive caster, with her wards offering multi cast, invincibility while casting, iron stance/no interruption while casting, etc. Even in plot she has that thunder judgement thing and stuff like using magic to attack the Drum boss.

Her OG limits, Holy, AC healing seem to be why she was tied to White Mage, but it doesn't seem like a hard rule.

I just remembered a Rebirth side quest where you could "choose" to have Aerith wake a sleeping guy up with magic too

 

[Ryushikaze]

Sure, almost everyone gets a chance to be a focus/POV character (minus Umaro and Gogo, and arguably Mog), but some characters are definitely more main lead protagonist-ish than others, and Terra and Celes are definitely the two characters with the most focus in FFVI (of the three minimum required characters needed to beat the game, Celes is the one the player starts out with in the World of Ruin, and then Terra is still so integral to the plot she still appears during the ending cinematic of FFVI even if she was never rediscovered/re-recruited).

Then after them, Edgar, Setzer, and Locke are all in like the tier of second most narrative focus/significance (Edgar and Setzer being the other two required characters to beat the game, and then Locke being the first playable male character introduced in the game and his central relationship to Celes is still referenced even if he is never re-recruited).

Oh, yeah, some are definitely more protags than others, but as you've pointed out, there's five characters who get significant focus and each of them has a turn at being the POV playable character for a stretch of the story, and that was the design philosophy of 6, as opposed to 7.

I feel with Remake/Rebirth, and Ever Crisis (her new Terra skill Riot Blade will give a triple Imperil) really starts to cement Aerith as a general caster, in Rebirth her kit seems designed for her to flourish as an offensive caster, with her wards offering multi cast, invincibility while casting, iron stance/no interruption while casting, etc. Even in plot she has that thunder judgement thing and stuff like using magic to attack the Drum boss.

Her OG limits, Holy, AC healing seem to be why she was tied to White Mage, but it doesn't seem like a hard rule.

I just remembered a Rebirth side quest where you could "choose" to have Aerith wake a sleeping guy up with magic too

I mean, Aerith really ought to be classified as a Geomancer, given all her abilities are boons granted by the planet itself, and 7 doesn't call anything outside of Holy and Meteor "White" or "Black" as far as magic goes.

 

[Eerie]

I think Tifa's real best chance at getting a "heroine" costume would be Jill in a XVI crossover, as mentioned above.

Nah Jill is considered as a magic user so it's Aerith too.

Honestly, I feel like giving Tifa the maiden/princess/major heroine outfits in this case would take away from her character.

No. Again it was her only chance to be pushed as the other heroine. We know Aerith, being a white mage, will get everyone else, that's how it is.

Everyone knows that Tifa has the Lifestream scene, nobody wants to take that scene or her heroine-ism away from her. (Not even the "theorybros", who I haven't ever seen desire Tifa's Lifestream scene be replaced in favour of Zack or Aerith. Only Twitter entertains that, and considering its one of the most important scenes of the entire series, it'll never be changed.)

Lol you're dreaming, here in this forum I've seen people wanting Zack to be the one to help Cloud after Remake instead of Tifa, and over decades several who said Aerith could help. I've seen CAs saying they will mod Aerith into Tifa in this scene (they KNOW it's romantic lol). I've seen theorybros say without batting an eye that Aerith can help, that her death will be shown in the LS scene, and that oh yeah Tifa will be there as well (giving her no role in her own scene). It's hilarious really but if you really look at fandom you will see just how many people disregard Tifa as a heroine, and yes this spreads.

I've stopped posting on reddit because, before Rebirth, when I said to a random dude that I believed the world in which Zack was wasn't an alternate universe but a small world encompassing only Midgar set in the Lifestream, I got nearly insulted, with the guy going "didn't you see xx's video?" (xx being a really well known streamer). Me right now after Rebirth: "lol". But I've stopped posting there as a result. And truly, as soon as people notice that I'm a CT shipper, they simply don't want to chat because I'm a filthy shipper who says the FFVII Remake trilogy will follow roughly the FFVII OG story. Even here I 99% post in the LTD thread because it's the only one where I can talk freely.

Cecil and Rosa meanwhile are perfect linkups to Cloud and Tifa thematically, and while Rosa is an archer and white mage instead of a martial artist, she also learned both of those skills so as to be more than a damsel and a prize.

Rosa is a white mage? SAY NO MORE SHE IS AERITH!!!

Edit: I hadn't seen a whole page of posts, sorry:

Dark Knight Cloud and Paladin Sephiroth would be a really interesting way to do that.

Personally, hoping we actually get a set of costumes inspired by Amano's ilustrations. Which I guess has already kinda been done in Dissidia, but would be really cool.

Man Barret looks SO GOOD but me and people in my group chat have lost hope for Barret, really. It's really upsetting.

And if people want to be shippers about it, Locke and Terra aren't the couple in VI so...there you go

It's not, so not about shipping.

And Hugo-Tifa would be insane. There's no way she doesn't get Jill, lol.

Lol as I said Tifa is never getting to be Jill, who is a magic user (so Aerith). She'll be Hugo.

I honestly just don't see why it matters that much for these kinda things.

It does because having your favourite character shown that she is important to the story is nice? Also her outfits would be different? Not to mention that we did want that ONE MONK OUTFIT THEY WON'T RELEASE. So clearly it's not about her role either. Her two crossover outfits are absolute garbage.

Tifas been treated extremely well in general in EC

No I don't think so lol, half of her outfits absolutely stink.

 

[Odysseus]

Do you think Tifa could get Lulu if that did FFX? I guess with the Vivi costume Lucia is sort of being considered the black mage but I feel like that's not too sacred, and I don't think X even has a monk character (does it?).

 

[Eerie]

They'll give her Wakka rather than Lulu because the way Lulu is dressed is too hard to make it work for Tifa (the way she fights, she's never getting long dresses). I honestly don't see them make an FFX crossover though maybe I'm wrong. I think for the FF crossovers, the mandatory characters are Cloud, Aerith, Tifa (not sure just how well thought was truly Tifa as Amarant, the way her card was associated with Cloud's is weird by EC standards) and young Sephiroth. And those get the banners outfits which are the most powerful - free outfits usually suck. So basically there has to be a monk for Tifa, because it's the good excuse to not give her an heroine outfit, since they automatically go to Aerith.

Don't worry for EC though, whales will buy everything because that's what whales do.

 

[SS2Link]

Do you think Tifa could get Lulu if that did FFX? I guess with the Vivi costume Lucia is sort of being considered the black mage but I feel like that's not too sacred, and I don't think X even has a monk character (does it?).

Cloud for Tidus, Aerith for Yuna, Angeal for Auron, and Yuffie for Rikku (maybe Cid for Kimahri lol?) are the only ones I can see being guaranteed.

I don't see why Tifa wouldn't be Lulu, she's had a flowy-dress type outfit before with that mermaid one, so why not. I would say she COULD be Wakka but his absolutely insane orange hair is the crux of his design, and she would not get something that crazy. Maybe I'll eat my words there.

Lulu could go for Tifa or Lucia in my eyes, maybe Tifa/Lucia would get Payne if FFX-2 was considered, dunno.

I just thought of this but it would be very cool if Aerith got FFX Yuna and Tifa got FFX-2 Yuna.

 

[Eerie]

Lucia isn't getting a limited banner in a FF crossover, her number of banners will probably drop too now that the focus in on Angeal and soon Genesis or that new character.

As I said, on an FF crossover, I expect the mandatory characters to be the protag, the 2 heroines and the antagonist. Maybe they could add 1 or 2 max around these but don't expect too much, the quality is rather poor.

 

[Suzaku]

Terra's Rod looks pretty niche. Convenient to have all three resistance downs on one weapon, but I think most people have already invested in fire, ice, and lightning resist down weapons, which often have additional effects like reducing MDEF or PDEF.

 

[Ryushikaze]

Nah Jill is considered as a magic user so it's Aerith too.

I can't say they won't do it, but they'd be dumbasses to do that, especially given how similar the motion capture artist made their movements.

Lol you're dreaming, here in this forum I've seen people wanting Zack to be the one to help Cloud after Remake instead of Tifa, and over decades several who said Aerith could help. I've seen CAs saying they will mod Aerith into Tifa in this scene (they KNOW it's romantic lol). I've seen theorybros say without batting an eye that Aerith can help, that her death will be shown in the LS scene, and that oh yeah Tifa will be there as well (giving her no role in her own scene). It's hilarious really but if you really look at fandom you will see just how many people disregard Tifa as a heroine, and yes this spreads.

I can confirm, there are plenty of dumbasses saying/ begging that Aerith replace Tifa in the Lifestream and under the highwind.

Rosa is a white mage? SAY NO MORE SHE IS AERITH!!!

I mean, we do have a spare white mage in the form of Porom for Aerith, but seriously Toriyama or whoever is literally the dumbest of asses if he makes Aerith anyone other than Rydia.

It does because having your favourite character shown that she is important to the story is nice? Also her outfits would be different? Not to mention that we did want that ONE MONK OUTFIT THEY WON'T RELEASE. So clearly it's not about her role either. Her two crossover outfits are absolute garbage.

Their reluctance to release the Zangan outfit is baffling.


Also Also if we get a XIII collab Aerith is Lightning because fuck you that's Maaya Sakamoto. Cloud can be Snow. It'd be fun for Tifa to get Serah but they'll probably give her Fang.

 

[ultima espio]

Tifa could get Rikku because she uses claws, and Yuffie with Wakka because they both throw things.

They could go whatever way they wanted really with some creativity. Lightning got a Yuna costume but shares nothing with her.

 

[Ryushikaze]

So this will never happen because FF2 is forever the unloved child of the series, but if they did an FF2 collab, this is how I think it should go.

Cloud- Firion
Tifa - Maria
Barret - Guy
Aerith- Minwu the white mage. Yes, Minwu's a dude, but he's the first named white mage in the series, he's literally the first playable character in the series to die, and the outfit would be quite nifty.
Vincent can be Leon, both because they both have long hair and because Leon being Maria's brother makes for a good Vinceroth era nod.
Yuffie could be Leila, even.

We still have the problem of Cid either being Cid or Ricard Highwind, though...

 

[Suzaku]

So the event launched yesterday with a few story chunks. Seems like they learned what not to do from the FFIX story--this is actually fairly interesting so far, with regards to the premise.

Revolves around Portal, as with all the other special events.

Cloud, Aerith, and Tifa get dumped from the Portal into the Narshe ice field while heading North from Nibelheim, arriving in costumes. They get rescued by a Returner and brought back to Narshe, then head out to investigate what's going on.

Elsewhere, a Portal opens near Kefka. He soon encounters the trio and unleashes a "new Magitek weapon," which is a Shinra robot that also got dragged through the Portal. The trio defeats it and since they use magic he assumes they're Magitek Knights. He makes the Shinra robot self destruct and then puts slave crowns on all of them and tries to turn them against the Returners, but Angeal and Sephiroth appear suddenly to rescue them, and Kefka heads off to plot more.

And so we're given another layer where the trio is meeting a young Sephiroth and assume he must be different from the one they know, but Cloud recognizes him as looking the way Sephiroth did in the newspapers when he was a kid. Aerith also seems to recognizes Angeal, and stays oddly quiet when he mentions his name. The two say that an old man told them how to get home, and... to be continued.

 

[Eerie]

Yeah so I'm skipping the stories, Tifa's outfit is even worse than what I first thought, I can't bear to look at it. It's an abomination, let's hope they don't try to do even worse for her.

 

[SS2Link]

Aerith also seems to recognizes Angeal, and stays oddly quiet when he mentions his name.

Aerith knowing and interacting with Angeal is super super suuuuuper cool. I really hope in the actual series she gets to have a similar moment (in the Lifestream or something, with Zack) instead of it just happening in a crossover.

 

[ForceStealer]

Nah Jill is considered as a magic user so it's Aerith too.

Only inasmuch as Clive is a magic user... she uses a rapier.

Rosa is a white mage? SAY NO MORE SHE IS AERITH!!!

Oh so now you say they'll stick to job class?

Her OG limits, Holy, AC healing seem to be why she was tied to White Mage, but it doesn't seem like a hard rule.

And right, while Aerith obviously has some White Mage tendencies, her actual class is probably closer to Geomancer. Her limits are more related to planetary elements than healing, even.

Do you think Tifa could get Lulu if that did FFX? I guess with the Vivi costume Lucia is sort of being considered the black mage but I feel like that's not too sacred, and I don't think X even has a monk character (does it?).

Not really... Rikku is probably the closest in that she uses glove weapons, but obviously the rest of her skillset is much more thief than anything else. But if weapon synergy is what they're after, I guess she could get Rikku...

 

[Eerie]

Only inasmuch as Clive is a magic user... she uses a rapier.

Her wiki says she is a magic user first, not a fencer. Yes it irritates me but I guess they're getting that from somewhere that is SE. Beside that they obviously have no trouble transforming a sword into a staff.

Oh so now you say they'll stick to job class?

The point is they'll take any chance or excuse to give it to Aerith and skip Tifa. So far they haven't shown me that they consider Tifa as the other FFVII heroine. Aerith and Tifa may hold as much and critical importance (in different ways) to FFVII but what they're screaming is that in the scope of an FF, only Aerith is worth being considered as an heroine. It is very obvious that they have an Aerith bias, IMHO, if I compare Aerith and Tifa's skins, overall. Both have bad designs, but Aerith's designs are always more intricate, they always put more work into Aerith than Tifa. It's the little things that make me very cynical about this game.

And they've also been doing the same in REMAKE and REBIRTH, they have shafted Tifa in favour of others: she got her chapter taken off, meaning there's no chapter where she's alone and we control her and get to know her more, thus the game that was meant to make sure both heroines got the same quality content made sure they didn't. I personally could have done with LESS of chapter 17 instead but here's what we got.
In Rebirth, she has no special dress in GS - even if I think the Rosa dress has been made with her in mind, it's hard to tell since Aerith is the one who uses it the most due to the mechanics (and it falls badly on her I would rather all the girls got a special Rosa outfit tbh, Tifa's body is too different for her dress to fit well Aerith and Yuffie). So yeah Tifa fans have been feeling for a while that SE thinks it's ok to shaft Tifa in favour of others. They really have a lot to do in p3 to really satisfy us because damn, I don't feel they think of her as an equal heroine compared to Aerith, even though Nojima is the only one to push that (thank god in main story).