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That was my reading of it, too, since it doesn't really make sense for Aerith to be jealous about it. But on the other hand, she did say, "It will make your girlfriend's day!" or something to that effect, so it was still a gift to be re-gifted to Cloud's "girlfriend" even if he didn't initially...

It's not that, at least for me. It's that the hug happens right after Shinra has massacred Sector Seven plates. Tifa and Cloud as well have lost everything again. She's crying her heart out and Cloud finally pulls himself together enough to comfort her (and himself, I imagine). Like, it's...

Oh, so this is supposed to be the official translation? I kind of imagine that the discourse on social media has circled back to "And SENA was at it again"? But regardless, I think the text reads weirdly? I mean, the cool hero Cloud wanted to stem from his feelings for Tifa anyway? So even if...

Don't you know that if you're consistently wrong for years then obviously it's someone else's fault? :desu: Shaking my head at y'all. No wonder you're all mean Clotis. Joking, lol. ❤️

Maybe not the whole trailer but the "omg! they are going to kiss!" trip, lol. And what happened in the actual game? They were both so weirded out that they had to sit in a shaken silence for a second, lol. And yikes at the death threats. :no:

I'm not exactly sure when the shift happened but creators used to give fan service for all characters and ships. Like, these little nods and winks and jokes. And people took them exactly as they were supposed to: as fun little crumbs that they could use as fuel for their fanfics and imagination...

Look, the truth is that at some point shippers really ought to take responsibility for themselves instead of going around claiming that they were baited. There has always been a small fragment of shippers who want, nay, demand canon/fandom validation, no matter how improbable or how many times...

Okay, I hope I can express this intelligibly. The thing is, shipping inherently and in its crudest form romanticises/sexualises every character interaction, emotion and trait. Because shippers see something there according to their own biases, experiences, fantasies and knowledge, and then they...

I agree. One of the reasons why I can't really take Re-trilogy or the LTD as vague is, well, Zack. If the devs wanted to be vague (or explicit for that matter) about the LTD or CA, there is seriously no reason for Zack to physically exist in the story. He was dead. There was no need to bring him...

That's funny because I've seen arguments that they're not "hetero-normative" enough so them living together and raising two kids isn't indicative of anything, if SE really wanted people to see them together they'd make a very special announcement! Also, Barret erasure! I've also seen the...

Don't worry about it! I just felt that it was kind of "beside the point" to argue whether LSS is romantic or not romantic since the reason why it's just Tifa and Cloud there is because of their love each other, you know? But I still don't know the best way to convey my nebulous thoughts on it so...

Yeah! Exactly!

I think what I'm trying to say is that... they don't really need to be aware or sure of each other's romantic feelings but it's still precisely because of those romantic feelings that the Lifestream scene happens? Like, there is a reason why it's just Cloud and Tifa and it's just Cloud and Tifa...

I kinda feel like the thread has gone back to arguing about tangential semantics. 😅 I mean, you could say that Tifa has faith in Cloud because of her love for him, yes? That the two are intrinsically linked? And it goes back to their romantic feelings because it was Tifa alone who could enter...

Thank you! I will give it a look. :)

Since I haven't ToTP yet I can't really contribute to that side of the conversation, but I'd like to add to the Tifa conversation that Tifa acting bratty with her (overprotective) dad is different from Tifa acting bratty in general. Also, small bratty Tifa was so cute.

Oh, Final Fantasy. Such inspirational stories. 🥲

I imagine it'd be the same kind of backlash it's always been. I don't remember the takes off the top of my head but something something Cloud's a dude, Tifa is a slut, he was thinking of Aerith the entire time, he wants to die and go meet her, optional etc. If by "a large part of the fandom"...

I think the funniest part for me about that is that they don't even go the whole length like DBZ fandom who straight-up write "Kakarotto" or "Vejita/Bejita" in fics. Her "real" name is Earisu! :rage::desu: One take that I've been puzzling about is that the reunion flower is CA but I guess it's...

I totally forgot to answer to this part! As you said, considering that ACC is basically a redo of Cloud's arc, it almost sounds like ACC was unnecessary... :desu: