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Joking aside, I'd really like the karaoke bar route. :lol: Even as someone who doesn't fully subscribe to the, "Aerith is the planet's heroine and Tifa is the hero's heroine" dichotomy (not because it doesn't have truth value, clearly it does, but just because I think it's an oversimplification...

Huh, I just realized that Clerith is like the Pixar Theory. For anyone unfamiliar, the Pixar Theory is a fanon that all the Pixar movies happen in the same universe, just at different times. For every new Pixar film that is released, no matter how different the lore or world it takes place in...

Good one, I didn't fully actualize that until now. Of course I recognized that both Cloti and Zerith got boatloads of unresolved tension and anticipation but it didn't click that that parallel was intentional because of canonicity. I feel late. :lol: And yes, this wouldn't be so obvious if not...

Synesthesia fam! :properhug: Do you really see them as yellow or was that just an example? Ever since 1997, Cloti have been navy and green for me, no doubt because of The Promise and LS imagery. I'm curious what colors Clerith or Zerith are for you?

Definitely. I've contemplated this before, the how or why a certain thing from my childhood (a book, a movie, or yes, even a ship) has either stayed with me just as strongly into adulthood, or has retreated as a fond memory. With Cloud and Tifa, I love their story now even more than my...

Well, I had my own initial concerns about the upcoming LS scene, but not because I thought they were going to try and shoehorn Aerith into it. I just thought they might convolute the hell out of it, vacuuming up all the emotional impact in favor of more plot complication. Because damn, if they...

LMAO It's a full circle moment if I ever saw one. For years, Aerith and/or Tifa were too Cloud-centric, then Cloud was too Tifa-centric, then Aerith was too Zack-centric, and now Rebirth has completed this 27-year circle jerk with Zack is too Aerith-centric. :monster:

Yeah, the broad strokes of canon have been worked out and are accepted by everyone other than the most extreme. But I think people will always debate/discuss the details, even if they don't change the outcomes. I never jumped in on the NPTK dIsK hOrSe because by the time I got to it, everyone...

♪ Till the daaaaaaay that part 3 comes out Where or wheeeeeeen, I wish I could say But belieeeeeeeve, know that weeeeeee'll be here Love triangle debate, we won't ever stop ♪ :neom:

Yeah, my Zerith expectations are through the roof. They better LEAN IN to that in part 3. It's funny, I'd been anticipating Rebirth all this time thinking it would have a great Zerith reunion/expansion and just give Cloti a lot of angst and anticipation for LS and Under the Highwind. But now...

So uh.... I know it seems like every square enix inch of The Dates has been analyzed and compared... how someone twirls, where someone is looking, how someone is walking. However, I haven't seen anyone mention this particular detail yet, so it shall be my contribution to the pedantry! :monster...

Yeah, it's tough because usually only villains relapse (or never learn in the first place). We're not used to seeing heroes fall back into bad patterns. Once the heroes have learned a lesson or been through a trial, we expect them to be permanently progressed, never again betraying their...

Now this is a fascinating discussion. Did Rebirth develop Cloud and Tifa's communication skills and relationship too well and too early, perhaps to the point that their AC characterizations now seem like an unrealistic regression? I'll have to sit on that one. In general though, I think it's...

The narrative choices made for Aerith's death definitely give me some anxiety about the LS sequence to come. Just in the sense that they're both emotional linchpins in the story, both highly anticipated scenes with sky-high expectations. I guess I just have to cling like a madwoman to the...

Agree, the story and characters had clearly outgrown a Ted and Robin endgame. But I was actually using HIMYM as an example of when many, many people wanted the moving on theme and didn't get it -- a true rug pull, in contrast to FFVII. So it's more like, here's how you set up first love well...

Ugh, "people are allowed to move on after their first love" has got to be one of the dumbest straw man arguments in LTD. Just a way for CAs to feel like they have the more mature take over CT, honestly. It's not that people en masse can't appreciate a "moving on" theme, it's that clearly, FFVII...

YES. This might be considered a hot take coming from a longtime CT, but I quite enjoyed the CA date. Was it a sweeping crescendo of romance, no, but it was a nice display of care and compassion. It ended with CA at their best, when they're just quiet, understanding, and most importantly...

I understand the disinterest for the childhood friends trope, it can definitely feel trite and/or saccharine. But every trope has a spectrum, and I do believe that the richness of Cloud and Tifa's full story, from OG through AC, is on the best end of it. The extent to which they surpassed their...