Site Design

No problem. :) I just don't want to go changing live pages without giving people the chance to speak up.
For now, it's either no horizontal lines on all pages, or no horizontal lines on all pages. Part of the problem I'm trying to fix is that there's no one common formatting across the site. The reason why this is so annoying is because some of our pages are really short (and could do without <hr/>) and some are really long (and <hr/> helps a lot with organizing those). And I have to make sure everything works with Wordpress. I might go back when I'm done with the whole project, but for now, it's easier to just do everything the same.
Is there a risk that a new version of Wordpress will not support <hr/>? If that ever happens, I want to know because not only Content Index pages (pages that link to actual content) use them, but also other articles like my Unused Text Series. They would not work well at all without <hr/>.

If we lose support for <hr/>, then a new function/code for a horizontal line must take its place.

I can understand the desire to want every page following the same format: The visuals and code become easier to remember and keep track of this way plus the reader does not have to think as much when browsing from one page type to another type.

That said, I will still consider the frontpage a success if we have three different page formats altogether. Consistency with headers and bullet-points is a huge achievement already.

EDIT: If I HAD TO CHOOSE though I'd go with horizontal lines everywhere. The <hr/> has the function of putting everything neatly into "boxes". I'd rather have too much organized neatly into boxes rather than too little or nothing organized at all into these boxes.


It wouldn't take that much work to make "Medium" pages for this page to link to (we could just copy/paste descriptions anyway). But that'll have to wait for me to get finished with this project.
By "Medium" pages, do you refer to the for now non-clickable titles of "Games" and "Movies & Animations" on the Franchise Guide page? If you mean that you could create a "Games" page and "Movies & Animations" page, I think it's a better idea to not create those.

We already have a lot of pages that were created for the sake of web design consistency such as Content, About, Community, FFVII Compendium, Fan Works and so on (and I could be wrong but I think when Fangu coded for the new frontpage, creating the roll-down menus, it was necessary to have some of these new pages). These pages aren't strictly speaking NECESSARY as their titles are self-explanatory already, but they do create visual consistency with the computer arrow turning into a hand when causing the roll-down menus to pop up and scrolling over them.

I think that creating a "Games" page and "Movies & Animations" page solely for that type of visual design consistency would be to go slightly overboard, because nobody wants to even accidentally end up in a page where the title is self-explanatory.

Apologies if I misunderstood here what you mean by "Medium" pages. If I understood you correctly though, more Medium pages should not become a priority even after your current project is finished. =)


On spacing the links... When the links don't have a description, putting them really close together works great. The problem starts when you get pages like the Highlights 3.1 and FFVII - The Original pages where most of the links have a description below them. Then putting them all together with no spaces looks like the dreaded wall of text.
I do quite enjoy the spacing here. The grey text of the descriptions create a less monotonous pattern, thus making the spacing in this example actually look appealing. My eyes are loving the update to the FFVII - The Original page. I only have two notes:
1) I dislike when horizontal lines are stopped by images. If it were me, I'd add </br> to create spacing above the horizontal line, thus moving the line to continue under the FFVII logo image. Not as space efficient but I just wanted to voice this aesthetical pet peeve of mine. Others may disagree.
2) The "Max Natural HP/MP Challenge Completed by songsengnim" link should be under "Miscellaneous", not under "Gameplay Videos of Final Fantasy VII Demos". Good category/header/title you created there though.
 
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Obsidian Fire

Ahk Morn!
AKA
The Engineer
Is there a risk that a new version of Wordpress will not support <hr/>? If that ever happens, I want to know because not only Content Index pages (pages that link to actual content) use them, but also other articles like my Unused Text Series. They would not work well at all without <hr/>.

If we lose support for <hr/>, then a new function/code for a horizontal line must take its place.[
]No, no, no... I don't think <hr/> would ever lose functionality, it's too basic. I just meant that I have to make things that Wordpress can display correctly/consistently with our CSS. Instead of being able to do whatever I want...
Apologies if I misunderstood here what you mean by "Medium" pages. If I understood you correctly though, more Medium pages should not become a priority even after your current project is finished. =)
Oh no, you understood me correctly. It's just for me, page formatting is the type of stuff I like doing, so it's not much of a bother (like, page formatting was what I liked doing when I was ten years old; I just didn't realize people build careers off it it). Almost all the stuff that would go on those pages are already written up on different pages; I'd just have to move it and format it correctly.
I do quite enjoy the spacing here. The grey text of the descriptions create a less monotonous pattern, thus making the spacing in this example actually look appealing. My eyes are loving the update to the FFVII - The Original page. I only have two notes:
1) I dislike when horizontal lines are stopped by images. If it were me, I'd add </br> to create spacing above the horizontal line, thus moving the line to continue under the FFVII logo image. Not as space efficient but I just wanted to voice this aesthetical pet peeve of mine. Others may disagree.
2) The "Max Natural HP/MP Challenge Completed by songsengnim" link should be under "Miscellaneous", not under "Gameplay Videos of Final Fantasy VII Demos". Good category/header/title you created there though.
Lol, the FFVII - The Original page isn't done yet (need to get rid of the tables and the Unused text series has it's own index page, so we should probably just link to that instead of all the individual parts). Horizontal lines being stopped by images is something I need to fiddle with on other pages too, so it will eventually be fixed. Thanks for catching that the article should be moved.
 

Obsidian Fire

Ahk Morn!
AKA
The Engineer
First batch of pages have gone live!

And somehow I missed formatting the Site Goals and Staff List (is the staff list current?). I'll do that fast...

EDIT: The Staff List definitely isn't current, Lex isn't on there for one... we should probably figure out what qualifies for people being on that list or not...

EDIT 2: New versions...

Current Site Goals
Site Goals

Still trying to figure out how to single -pace the first three bullet points together without single-spacing the next line...

Curent Staff List
Staff List

Mostly standardizing the formatting everyone's names/positions...
 
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Lex

Administrator
Believe me the situation with the staff list has been discussed for want of a better word. I'm planning to do a full rewrite soon to accurately reflect the changes in staff, and I'll finally be including myself on the damn page lol.
 
Very nice. May I suggest you do something to make the three site objectives stand out from the rest of the text? Either by using italics, bold, increasing the text size slightly, whatever works.


Curent Staff List
Staff List

Mostly standardizing the formatting everyone's names/positions...
Neat. My version looks like a mess in comparison. Great work cleaning it up. *thumbs up*
 

Flintlock

Pro Adventurer
Seeing as the names on the staff list look like links anyway, how about we make them link to each member's user profile?

WP profile or forum profile, either works.
 

Lex

Administrator
^I was definitely planning on that. I was going to go for contact info and then I thought a link to their profile would kill two birds with one stone.
 

Flintlock

Pro Adventurer
vBulletin-Connector, $15. Works with 3.8, which is what we're running. Worth a try?
The price has gone up to $24 now, but the plugin has been updated since I first posted that. Still worth it if that's the direction we want to go in (which I do), and I'm happy to pay for at least part of it. We just need someone to a) make a decision on whether we're getting or not and b) implement it.
 

Cthulhu

Administrator
AKA
Yop
and c): decide on upgrading to vB 5 or just wait until someone hacks TLS because of its ancient software, :monster:. $24 is cheap, don't worry about the expenses.
 

Fangu

Great Old One
Oh Yop, I was supposed to ask you, now that you made the Virtual machine, was the idea that if something works all right on the VM, I can chuck the code directly onto the production server through GitHub? Commit and there we are?
 

Cthulhu

Administrator
AKA
Yop
Missed this one in the new poasts thing, sorry :monster:. No it doesn't work like that, someone will still have to upload / install the changed templates (and fixx that one file with the passwords, :monster: ). If you (or whoever) goes "ok lol I pushed some changes to the repository", I should be able to install it easily enough.
 
Just realized we don't have any part of the frontpage that states when TLS was founded, for both the frontpage and the forums. I think we should have it in the Abouts page. The issue just became apparent to me now because I don't remember the exact date for when the site was founded and I have no easy-access place to look it up on.

*in a Skype call currently so I can't multitask and suggest a paragraph*
 
This is the current first paragraph in the About page.
We aim to be the number one resource in all things related to Final Fantasy VII. Follow these links to learn more about who we are and where we’re heading.

Suggestion for how it could read:
TheLifestream was founded on September 25, 2008. We aim to be a resource and a hub for all things related to Final Fantasy VII, as well as providing general Final Fantasy news and translations. Follow these links to learn more about who we are and where we’re heading.

If nobody objects, I will replace the old paragraph with this new one.
 
Done. I remain unsure, or I simply have a bad memory, if we tend to write the site name as
"TheLifestream" or
"The Lifestream".
 

Obsidian Fire

Ahk Morn!
AKA
The Engineer
Personal list to keep track of this...

To-Do List:

About:
Site Goals
Staff List
(need the mods to go over these)

FFVII Compendium:
Franchise Guide
Canon of FFVII
Guide Book Translations
FFVII - The Original
Advent Children
Before Crisis
Crisis Core
Dirge of Cerberus
Novels & Novellas
Dissidia

Fan Works:
The Lifestream Audiobooks
Commentaries
Reviews & Analysis
(should Commentaries and Reviews & Analysis really be under the Fan Works menu?)

Non-FFVII Translations:
Final Fantasy VIII Ultimania
Final Fantasy IX Ultimania
Dissidia Ultimania

For comparision, I'm somewhere around the Franchise Guide - Guide Book Translations...
 

Lex

Administrator
We need to completely re-examine how our content is linked to on the front page. I'm going to mess with it some in the coming days.
 

Lex

Administrator
Scoping out some new wordpress templates

OK so this page has web design templates that are all free and quite easily editable.

The thing everyone needs to remember when looking at these is that you need to visualise it with the TLS colour scheme, banner, icons and fonts. We also need to think about buttons.

I think we should simplify and go with About - Content - Community in that order. I can't see a real use for highlights anymore, I think if we're going to do a highlights thing it should be in a small box somewhere on the front page.

I move to change the "content" submenu to:

News Archives
FFVII Compendium
Translations
Fan Works

Community and About should stay the same. Note I'm not implementing these changes until we put up a new WP scheme.

I've asked Yop to set up a new test server to see how a new theme will look.
 
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Flintlock

Pro Adventurer
Let's think about why people are going to be visiting TLS in the next couple of years. There are many reasons, but these two alone will probably constitute 80% of our visits:

1. Looking for information about the FFVII remake
2. Looking for information about the original game because of excitement due to the remake

Let's make sure that our VII content (for both versions) is front and centre of our redesign, even if that means changing the hierarchy a little. I'm sure the Final Fantasy VII Compendium can have a front page link, for example, without being in a Content menu. Drop-down menus aren't really common in modern web design anyway; they hide too much.

But, theme first, these decisions after that.
 
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