Tiny Bronco Theft in Remake??

Don't they just sit on top of it?

They're damn tough.

They keep to the shallows and don't really go that fast.

I feel the need to say before I ask this that I don't actually care whether it is "realistic", as not only are we dealing with fiction, but video game fiction, and with the added addendum of taking place in a relatively fantastical world.

That said, out of separate curiosity...is it actually remotely conceivable that a damaged plane like that could navigate water while its flying abilities had been castrated??

It's conceivable, sure. But like you said, it's videogame fiction. The other thing I try to consider is these aren't Earthlings. When people complain about the size of swords and such things, it's important to remember this does not take place on our planet in any sense. It follows its own rules and logic.

leadmyskeptic said:

(even though the concept of wealthy gamblers traipsing through a burnt out town on their way to the casino is hilarious)

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Old Vegas, meet New Vegas.

I suppose the real wealth did just fly in, we just didn’t see it. The tramway was for the riffraff ... I mean ‘middle’ classes.

pxp said:

It's interesting to see how the technology changes and/or is upgraded in 7R.

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I'm hoping (though it's unlikely, given AC, CC, Dirge, and the flip phone campaign) that the remake retains the aesthetic and general technology level of the original.

It was completely unintentional, but it did add dimension to the universe and reinforce what we already knew about it. The No. 26 never launched. There was never a space race, space flight was never achieved full stop, and so there was no impetus for the miniaturisation of computers.

Meanwhile, a former weapons manufacturing corporation became the de facto world government, and so we see outlandish feats of militarisation, military technology, and surveillance systems. Jenova was environmentally, socially, and technologically disruptive, and this is reflected by global industrialisation patterns and the far greater emphasis on biotech, genetics, and "medical science." And so forth. I just think it would make a interesting contrast both visually and narrative-wise

...Plus brick phones and busted out CRT monitors just look objectively cooler more cyberpunk aesthetically, and are probably more in keeping with how you'd envision the e-waste of a (very slightly) more cynical, unglamorous parallel speculative future where people piece together a life out of old trash they've string together.

Random Nobody said:

pxp said:

It's interesting to see how the technology changes and/or is upgraded in 7R.

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I'm hoping (though it's unlikely, given AC, CC, Dirge, and the flip phone campaign) that the remake retains the aesthetic and general technology level of the original.

It was completely unintentional, but it did add dimension to the universe and reinforce what we already knew about it. The No. 26 never launched. There was never a space race, space flight was never achieved full stop, and so there was no impetus for the miniaturisation of computers.

Meanwhile, a former weapons manufacturing corporation became the de facto world government, and so we see outlandish feats of militarisation, military technology, and surveillance systems. Jenova was environmentally, socially, and technologically disruptive, and this is reflected by global industrialisation patterns and the far greater emphasis on biotech, genetics, and "medical science." And so forth. I just think it would make a interesting contrast both visually and narrative-wise

...Plus brick phones and busted out CRT monitors just look objectively cooler more cyberpunk aesthetically, and are probably more in keeping with how you'd envision the e-waste of a (very slightly) more cynical, unglamorous parallel speculative future where people piece together a life out of old trash they've string together.

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I was thinking just this the other day. Even if it was quite nonsensical in parts, I really liked the stark contrast/disparities between the lesser and more developed parts of FF7's world. It was like it had had an industrial revolution and a post-modern revolution all in the space of a quarter-of-a-century or so, and it was all bundled together (+ the ancient magical/fantastical aspect too of course) to make this really cool semi-cyber punk/semi-steam punk aesthetic which was so unique.

Not that I hold out much hope, but I really do wish they could retain some of that. They've made the right noises about wanting to retain the 'atmosphere' of the original, so fingers crossed.

Yes, fingers very much crossed. I love the Final Fantasy VII aesthetic. It's like time passed everything by. Technology has kind of stunted in some ways, as if people had forgotten how to invent. It feels like society is one calamitous event away from going back to the Stone Age.

I wouldn't mind if it was still flip phones, given that even those are fairly quaint nowadays, but otherwise I agree. Very cool analysis, Random.

But yeah, it might be a fruitless hope given that the tech in VII was simply contemporary to 1997, and they've seemed to continue a desire to just make the tech contemporary with some oddly slick futuristic stuff, hopefully that at least will be kept to a minimum

Well from what little we've seen, the trains seem to be modelled on the OG (so hopefully 'steam-esque'), while the cars also seem 1940s-1950s looking. So just maybe ...

The aesthetic of XV shows that they're willing to "go back in time," so to speak, so hopefully it's an indication that VII's classic looks will be retained. That was definitely a case where the aesthetic was decided upon and then reasons for it to be that way were conceived.

Kain424 said:

It's conceivable, sure. But like you said, it's videogame fiction. The other thing I try to consider is these aren't Earthlings. When people complain about the size of swords and such things, it's important to remember this does not take place on our planet in any sense. It follows its own rules and logic.

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That's a very good point, actually, even beyond it being fantasy...it's not set on Earth. Even for players who seem to insist on applying "Scientific Method"-style logic to a frame that was never meant to hold it, things like the wielding of the Buster Sword are potentially as simple as saying "the gravity's different". I suppose what I was wondering, though, was if the rotors of a plane like that, or its closest real-world counterpart, would be able to also serve as an aquatic engine (or is it technically a 'rudder', since it's pushing? I suck at this) of sorts once in the water. It's actually a pretty bizarre, and rather clever little gameplay aspect, when you think about it: your second mode of transport is a shot up, broke-ass jalopy. You never even get a chance at its intended function. Our world-saving heroes are traveling around in a boatplane, like garbage pickers lol.

RE: Whether the world of VII-R's tech will embody the 'Future '97' style from the original or if it will be updated, I think a good example of how this could be handled is the game "Alien:Isolation" (or the film "Prometheus" and its sequel, take your pick). The creators there ultimately decided that although the imagined future-tech in the original film, made in 1979, was now stylistically outmoded compared to modern devices, it contributed enough to the aesthetic, vibe and ultimately world-building of the "Alien" universe to deserve being maintained rather than replaced/retconned/etc. Thus you have these large, glowing, CRT-style computer panels (though with touchscreen), the eerie DOS-style green text readout on them, the bulbous glass spacesuit helmets on the characters, and so on. I feel like the decision really paid off there, and it helps the world 'confirm itself' and feel like its own thing, rather than merely a projected upgrade on tech we handle every day. Also, I doubt if this was intentional or not, but the "it's already 'outdated', so it will never be outdated" aspect is a cool side effect.

they aren't earthings but they are still human right (save for aerith and jenova etc)? i seem to remember that word coming up a few times in the game.

or is it a mistranslation?

Edit: I had a whole reply here discussing "The Planet" as well as the confusingly sporadic use of "Gaia" in the same place, only to realize like a bonehead that that wasn't what you were asking. I am almost certain they use the phrase "human" a number of times, the specific example springing to mind being Sephiroth discussing the creatures in Nibelheim's mako pods. But does "human" need to mean the same as us? I mean, like you said, it doesn't make "The Planet" into Earth.

http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Human

“Humans, also known as Humes (ヒュム, Hyumu?), Hyur and Humanoid, are a recurring race that appears throughout the Final Fantasy series.

Based almost entirely on the real-world species, humans are usually the most numerous and politically dominant sentient species in any given Final Fantasy world, particularly in the main series. As the most common sentient species, they are often considered to be a standard or average to which the biology, psychology, and culture of other species and races are compared. A rather potent race, humans have been witnessed occupying, or at least having the capacity to occupy, most jobs in the Final Fantasy worlds.”

Interestingly, FF7 doesn’t come up under ‘Appearances’ (though it’s not on the only one), which is kind of ... weird.