What if Sephiroth was Aerith's first love instead of Zack?

jazzflower92 · Nov 11, 2012

I know that before they made Zack they actually were thinking of making Sephiroth the soldier she fell in love with.I was just thinking what if they did run with the idea and made them former lovers.How would it change the story and the game.And would it actually make things concerning the fact that Sephiroth killed her even more personal and heinous because of the fact he is killing the girl who was in love with him at one point.

It also would be interesting because of the history of their fathers as well.Because Hojo killed Gast,Aeirth's father, and Gast was a man who Sephiroth really looked up to so it would also be kinda a twist that Aerith could have fallen in love with Sephiroth.

Its mostly a big what if/hypothetical situation but I think it would have been very interesting seeing that I felt that this would have made the death of Aerith even more intense because of the past connection between each other.

Kermitu Kleric Katie · Nov 11, 2012

It would make AeriSeph less of a crack pairing.

jazzflower92 · Nov 11, 2012

Also think about this I think Hojo with his twisted self would actually like the idea of his son getting involved with the last cetra on the planet.Knowing him he would delight in the thought of having grandchildren who have cetra ancestry and the cells of Jenova.Now that I think of it that would have been a interesting subplot in the game that Hojo would tried to force his son and Aerith to conceive in order to have a speciman of both cetra and jenova dna.

Provided it would have had to take place during Crisis Core and the scary part is that I actually do think he would have done that.

looneymoon · Nov 11, 2012

i swear to god this topic pops up once a year

jazzflower92 · Nov 11, 2012

I didn't know I just thought it would interesting to talk about since indirectly Sephiroth and Aerith have so much family history togther.

Their fathers were both scientists who worked on the same project.

Hojo killed Gast and took her mother and her away to be experimented on.

Sephiroth really respected Gast and is highly had some fond memories of him.It comes to be ironic that Sephiroth kills his daughter.

Like I said it could have only taken place possibly in Crisis Core and in a AU thing.

LicoriceAllsorts · Nov 11, 2012

Yes, the original plan was to have much more of a connection between them; I think there was also an idea at one point that they should be siblings, which may be why their character designs, facially, are quite similar, particularly with those high wing-like bangs of hair.

You'd think there would be some at least halfway-decent fanfiction somewhere that explored these alternative plot-lines. But to be honest with you, having Aerith killed by her ex-lover somehow seems like a bit of a cliche. I think I'm glad, on the whole, that they went for a more complex, unpredictable plotline - because there is also a lot of intensity in having her lover die within sight of Midgar while trying to save Cloud, and then having Cloud unwittingly take his place.

jazzflower92 · Nov 11, 2012

I don't know it seems like Sephiroth and Aerith have so much stuff connected with each other that is unexplored and goes unoticed.I know it kinda of might have been cliched but sometimes as tropes are not inherently bad things.

Its how its executed that will make them good or bad in my opinion.I think in a capable writer's hand it could have been well received.I also think it could have shown how far Sephiroth has fallen that he would now kill the girl who had shown him nothing but love.I also think that Sephiroth could have manipulated through Cloud Aerith's feelings about him.

The Twilight Mexican · Nov 11, 2012

Could have been interesting, indeed. In the end, I do love what they went with, though, if only because we get 1) the moment that reminds us even more harshly of FFVII's dreary setting than Aerith's death did (the heroic Zack was gunned down before the game even began), and 2) that moment where the entire course of the game was determined by those three soldiers deciding to leave Cloud alone rather than finish him off.

jazzflower92 · Nov 11, 2012

Yeah,it just that prior to the events of the game Aerith and Sephiroth are just complete strangers and eventually Sephiroth becomes her killer.Although I think it would probably is to show that how dead serious of a threat Sephiroth is and that he will go out of his way to kill anyone who gets in the way of his plans.I think Aerith is probably the perfect canidate to be killed because she was the most unexpected character to be on the chopping block.Actually if you think about it actually goes with the theme of death and how cold and swift it often comes at times.

But yeah it could have gone a more tragic route with maybe Sephiroth just not even acknowledging that time when his heart wasn't dark.With a cliche you can find news ways to explore it so it can feel new.

LicoriceAllsorts · Nov 11, 2012

I must admit I always thought it odd that Hojo never seemed to come up with a scheme for breeding Sephiroth and Aerith. It would have made much more sense than trying to breed her with Red XIII, in that it would have actually made some sense.

(Also it would have helped explain why Shinra was happy to leave her with Elmyra for so long; they were waiting for her to grow old enough to be a mother. And then if they'd ever found out that she was seeing Zack and thus endangering the integrity of Hojo's breeding program there would have been hell to pay, so Tseng was secretly going out of his way to cover up any trace of involvement between Zack and Aerith....)

jazzflower92 · Nov 11, 2012

Like I said this is Hojo if there is a will he will surely find a way and make people's lives miserable in the process.Yeah,that is one thing that really could have been done is that they would have actually tried to breed Sephiroth and Aerith together.Although I have a feeling that sane Sephiroth would not liked Shinra butting into Aerith's life espically if it concerned Zack.I think it would also just give him another reason to leave the company as well.

Although I have a feeling that Hojo would have probably done something like drug Sephiroth and impreginated Aerith through articial fertilization.And I think he would have totally done it with a smile on his greasy sorry excuse for a face.In my opinion I would hate Hojo to be a grandfather while he is still alive because he would totally screw them up for his own evil purposes.

Flower Maiden · Nov 11, 2012

Hello, this is my first post ^^. Aerith and Sephiroth are one of my favourite pairing, so I agree with Jazzflower, they could have made a closer relationship between them. I don't even remember any allusion about the fact they probably grew up in the same Shinra facilities as children.
If you are interested, I found a very good doujinshi ( a fan comic ) about it. Unfortunately, it is Japonese and there are any translations . But the picture are juste overly cute ^^.
The title is "Secret Innocence", you can look for it if you want.

I hope you will like it^^. Personnaly I am in love with this story, teenage Sephy and lil Aerith are soooooo kawaiiiiii !!!!
PS : as a newbie, i am not allowed to post a link

, so you will have to search it on google. maybe I will postthe link later, when I can.

Kermitu Kleric Katie · Nov 11, 2012

I'm honestly glad they made Zack her ex-lover instead of Sephiroth. It makes her falling in love with Cloud make moar sense, due to the numerous similarities between Zack and Cloud.

jazzflower92 · Nov 11, 2012

Well,I can actually see why they made Zack and he does fufill his purpose for both Aerith and Cloud.

But like I said before maybe they could of put in Crisis Core mentions that Hojo had plans on Aerith breeding with Sephiroth when she came of age.Speaking of which did Sephiroth ever find out that Aerith is Gast's daughter then again post Lifestream Sephiroth is out of his mind and wouldn't care about anyone at this point.

Although I think Hojo would see it like a punch to Gast's legacy to make Aerith breed with Sephiroth.I am just saying they couldn't have to be lovers but Hojo could have had plans with breeding the two.

Of course this could have been before the incident.Hojo probably would have changed his plans since his son would probably be longer able to be reasoned with and his son hates his guts.

Kermitu Kleric Katie · Nov 11, 2012

I don't get why Hojo didn't just try and breed with Aerith himself. He's moar likely to be able to breed with her than Red. It's what I would've done if I were as deranged as him and in his position.

jazzflower92 · Nov 11, 2012

Matthewtheman said:
I don't get why Hojo didn't just try and breed with Aerith himself. He's moar likely to be able to breed with her than Red. It's what I would've done if I were as deranged as him and in his position.

Its probably becuase he doesn't have jenova cells and now that you think about it he would try if he could have th opportunity.But if you think about it Hojo wouldn't waste himself on Aerith but he would give his son the Cetra mainly because it would be in his nature to know how a person infused with jenova cells could breed with a person with cetra blood.

Plus he would wonder if the jenova cells would come into conflict with the cetra's ability to speak to the earth.

Plus he probably has dreams of having grandchildren to experiment on.I think it would also be a clue into why Sephiroth doesn't have that much a love life mainly because Hojo would hound him into having children.And imagine this he could possibly take those children away from him in order to experiment on them.Possibly under the order that since Sephiroth was born to be apart of the company they have rights to any of his offspring as well.

Kermitu Kleric Katie · Nov 11, 2012

jazzflower92 said:
Its probably becuase he doesn't have jenova cells and now that you think about it he would try if he could have th opportunity.But if you think about it Hojo wouldn't waste himself on Aerith but he would give his son the Cetra mainly because it would be in his nature to know how a person infused with jenova cells could breed with a person with cetra blood.

Plus he would wonder if the jenova cells would come into conflict with the cetra's ability to speak to the earth.

Plus he probably has dreams of having grandchildren to experiment on.I think it would also be a clue into why Sephiroth doesn't have that much a love life mainly because Hojo would hound him into having children.And imagine this he could possibly take those children away from him in order to experiment on them.Possibly under the order that since Sephiroth was born to be apart of the company they have rights to any of his offspring as well.

Red might not have Jenova cells in him. We don't know, because we're never told what experiments Hojo performed on him(besides trying to breed him with Aerith) I think some of the experiments on Red were on his memory, because it would explain how he seems to forget about Dinne's existence. But Hojo is clearly a hardcore Aerith/Red shipper :monster:

jazzflower92 · Nov 11, 2012

Matthewtheman said:
Red might not have Jenova cells in him. We don't know, because we're never told what experiments Hojo performed on him(besides trying to breed him with Aerith) I think some of the experiments on Red were on his memory, because it would explain how he seems to forget about Dinne's existence. But Hojo is clearly a hardcore Aerith/Red shipper

I was saying that it would have been more possible in Crisis Core for Hojo to have those plans.But in the orginal game it probably won't make sense anymore because his son has gone insane.And he did something else which is breed Red with Aerith.

Kermitu Kleric Katie · Nov 11, 2012

jazzflower92 said:
I was saying that it would have been more possible in Crisis Core for Hojo to have those plans.But in the orginal game it probably won't make sense anymore because his son has gone insane.And he did something else which is breed Red with Aerith.

Because he's an Aerith/Red shipper :monster:

And he didn't Breed Red with Aerith, he TRIED TO breed Red with Aerith. There's a difference.

Geostigma · Nov 11, 2012

What if, all these stupid what if threads never existed

jazzflower92 · Nov 11, 2012

Matthewtheman said:
Because he's an Aerith/Red shipper And he didn't Breed Red with Aerith, he TRIED TO breed Red with Aerith. There's a difference.

Then again Hojo is implied to be the head of the Silver Elite,Sephiroth's fan club.Makes one think he enjoys this kinda of thing and wouldn't mind supporting crack pairings without any support.But come on this is Hojo he always would have a hand in something concerning his son he would defiantly go out of his way to influence his love life.Probably Hojo made a list of things to do before he died of which is have grandchildren so he can experiment on them.

minimosey · Nov 11, 2012

jazzflower92 said:
Although I think Hojo would see it like a punch to Gast's legacy to make Aerith breed with Sephiroth.I am just saying they couldn't have to be lovers but Hojo could have had plans with breeding the two.

"Gast's legacy" might be why Hojo doesn't ever mention plans to breed her with Sephiroth. He remembers Ifalna's name after 15 years, but doesn't ever bother to recall Aerith's despite much more recent interaction, and notes her as being 18% inferior to her mother after only a brief time for examination...something that seems, to me, a bit surprising given all that Aerith went on to accomplish. Given the complex he had toward Gast I wouldn't be surprised if he viewed her through the somewhat disappointed viewpoint that she was that man's daughter and naturally bound to be inferior to his perfect creation.

Just a thought, but I always did find Hojo's dismissive attitude toward Aerith interesting. He mostly seems interested in her only because Pres. Shinra is expecting him to be, to find the place for the company's "Neo Midgar".

LicoriceAllsorts · Nov 11, 2012

While not wishing to seem pedantic, even quite small children know that it is isn't biologically possible to cross breed two completely different species. Hojo is either the worst scientist ever, or a sick old voyeur with a kink for bestiality, or, most likely, both.

Edit: Yes, you make a really good point, Minimosey. Hojo actually has very little interest in Aerith, and clearly can't imagine that this "inferior" halfbreed would ever be capable of obstructing the will of his magnificent son.

jazzflower92 · Nov 11, 2012

LicoriceAllsorts said:
While not wishing to seem pedantic, even quite small children know that it is isn't biologically possible to cross breed two completely different species. Hojo is either the worst scientist ever, or a sick old voyeur with a kink for bestiality, or, most likely, both.

Edit: Yes, you make a really good point, Minimosey. Hojo actually has very little interest in Aerith, and clearly can't imagine that this "inferior" halfbreed would ever be capable of getting in the way of his magnificent son.

Sephiroth was right calling his father a mass of complexes and I think its the reason he's so asexual.Imagine the fear of Hojo having the right to take your children away and experimening on them so they can go through the same treatment as he did when he was younger.

jazzflower92 · Nov 11, 2012

minimosey said:
"Gast's legacy" might be why Hojo doesn't ever mention plans to breed her with Sephiroth. He remembers Ifalna's name after 15 years, but doesn't ever bother to recall Aerith's despite much more recent interaction, and notes her as being 18% inferior to her mother after only a brief time for examination...something that seems, to me, a bit surprising given all that Aerith went on to accomplish. Given the complex he had toward Gast I wouldn't be surprised if he viewed her through the somewhat disappointed viewpoint that she was that man's daughter and naturally bound to be inferior to his perfect creation.

Just a thought, but I always did find Hojo's dismissive attitude toward Aerith interesting. He mostly seems interested in her only because Pres. Shinra is expecting him to be, to find the place for the company's "Neo Midgar".

Here is another creepy idea that came in my mind what if Hojo after killing Gast forced Ifana to marry him.Then she would have become Sephiroth's stepmother and Sephiroth and Aerith would have become stepsiblings.And man that is a fate worse than death itself. :nah:

What if Sephiroth was Aerith's first love instead of Zack?

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