Disk 3 events (besides the crater, spoilers)

Novus

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Is Bugenhagen's death the only unique Disk 3 event in Vii? As in an event that causes the party to open out and talk and interact with each other.
I read in another thread it confirms Cloud and Tifa as a couple as they sit together ect.

I'm wondering if there are any other events at all like this, I don't count any that could be accessed in a previous Disk.
 
Danseru-kun

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Novus said:
I read in another thread it confirms Cloud and Tifa as a couple as they sit together ect.
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Haha I'm the one who posted that secret Cloti scene. Yeah after Bugenhagen dies, if Tifa is in your party she will sit beside Cloud in the bonfire and no other party member will be like this. But it doesn't really confirm they're a couple... although that's a good hint :awesome:

As for Disc 3... I don't know anything else. I my sidequests in Disc 2 so I don't know if those still work in Disc 3.
 
ForceStealer

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Uh...I dunno, I always go right to Midgar after Diamond. Speaking of Midgar, can you get the key in Bone Village and return to the slums before Disk 3?
 
Flintlock

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ForceStealer said:
Uh...I dunno, I always go right to Midgar after Diamond. Speaking of Midgar, can you get the key in Bone Village and return to the slums before Disk 3?
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Yup. You can get it after the Lifestream sequence.

I'm struggling to think of any disc three-specific events other than those already mentioned. Shademp is really the person to ask on subjects like this :)
 
Flintlock

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Tetsujin said:
Wasn't there an event with Vincent in Lucrecia's cave where you get his strongest weapon? :monster:
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You can visit the waterfall on disc two, after which you have to fight ten battles before returning to get Vincent's ultimate weapon and limit break :) The guide I had when I was a kid (unofficial, can't remember where I got it from) said that you have to visit once on disc two and then again on disc three, and that information seems to be quite widespread, but it's not correct.
 
Novus

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Danseru-kun said:
Haha I'm the one who posted that secret Cloti scene. Yeah after Bugenhagen dies, if Tifa is in your party she will sit beside Cloud in the bonfire and no other party member will be like this. But it doesn't really confirm they're a couple... although that's a good hint :awesome:
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Yep, I should have credited it. But it's a perfect example of a unique event that takes place after the highwind.
From what I understand playing through the game is that there are no other unique events other than the crater section.
I might PM Shademp last time I checked his ff7 uncovered series he hadn't covered Disk 3.
 
Novus

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Flintlock said:
You can visit the waterfall on disc two, after which you have to fight ten battles before returning to get Vincent's ultimate weapon and limit break :) The guide I had when I was a kid (unofficial, can't remember where I got it from) said that you have to visit once on disc two and then again on disc three, and that information seems to be quite widespread, but it's not correct.
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On my last play through I went to Waterfall on a Golden chocobo, went and did the Underwater reactor section then went back to the cave and acquired it. I believe my guide said something similar to yours.
 
JBedford

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kitikat said:
Isn't Ultima Weapon available just after defeating Diamond Weapon on disc 2?
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It is. I once started the sidequest at this point, then he flew above the crater-- so I couldn't fight him because it triggered the cutscene. You do have to fly to Midgar after though, so you're not forced into it wasn't really that bad.

Here's what happens from Disk 3:
-Northern Cave stuff.
-Phoenix and Bahamut ZERO and W-Item become available at Bone Village if you missed them.
-Cosmo Canyon scene, and a bunch of NPCs in Cosmo Canyon and Kalm change what they say.
-When recruiting Vincent, Hojo will no longer be mentioned, only Sephiroth... in the Japanese version. In the English translation Vincent asks whether the party is going after Hojo in both instances, and on Disk 3 the party basically say "yes". Which is incredibly wrong. The "yes" is meant to be the answer to going after Sephiroth.
-The gondola ride can be accessed again (but only after you've gone to the area where your party has regrouped after the forks in Northern Cave...)

So no, there's nothing non-vital of interest on Disk 3 bar the Cosmo Canyon scene.
 
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The Twilight Mexican

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Interestingly enough, no FFVII guidebooks point out this special placement for Tifa in that scene -- though the only two books to include a screenshot from it (the Ultimania Omega and the 10th Anniversary Ultimania) both use one with Tifa waiting with Cloud.
 
Novus

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J,Bedford, before your last edit you mentioned something about the Forgotten Capital backdrop changing. I assume you removed it because it was wrong. But I was just about to reload FF7 when you did and check (since that's the only thing of interest.
Definitely checking out the Gondola ride though, lol- why would that change after the crater regroup section (assuming you're speaking about the bottom pit).
Is the change in dialogue of NPC's only limited to Kalm and Cosmo?
 
JBedford

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Novus said:
J,Bedford, before your last edit you mentioned something about the Forgotten Capital backdrop changing. I assume you removed it because it was wrong.
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Well, there is something set to occur on Disk 3, except the script it is in is never run on Disk 3. And I tried to force it to happen by editing the script but the game crashed.

Novus said:
lol- why would that change after the crater regroup section (assuming you're speaking about the bottom pit).
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Probably a programming error. It does less-than-or-equal-to, when it should probably have done less-than.

And unless there's something I don't know about, the only time the PPV/GM increments on Disk 3 is at the regroup area in the Northern Cave.

The ride is uneventful though.

Novus said:
Is the change in dialogue of NPC's only limited to Kalm and Cosmo?
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Yup. People in Cosmo will start talking about Bugenhagen, people in Kalm will start talking about events in Midgar. I don't think anyone else changed at this point.

Shortly before the end of Disk 2 (when North Crater's barrier is hit) a couple people in Icicle Inn's talk-to text will change, as will Holzoff, but these can still be seen on Disk 2 in the brief time.
 
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Shademp

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Practically speaking, without external devices, Bugenhagen's death scene can only be triggered on the third disc.

Conditions for triggering the scene:
- Plot Progression Value must be equal to or greater than 1610.
- Red XIII must be in your party.
- The scene must not have occurred before.

It is near the end of disc 2 that the Plot Value (or PPV, or GameMoment or whatever you like to call it) jumps from 1604 to 1612, thus enabling the scene. This happens when you transition to the first "hill" scene between Cloud and Tifa, when everybody else has left.

So if you could break the game, it would be possible to trigger Bugenhagen's death scene immediately after you enter the hill under the Highwind.


TRIVIA:
PPV=1620 when you start playing on the third disc, but the value makes a sudden jump to 1997 when you reach the bottom of the Northern Crater (the area before the point-of-no-return).
 
Flintlock

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Shademp said:
TRIVIA:
PPV=1620 when you start playing on the third disc, but the value makes a sudden jump to 1997 when you reach the bottom of the Northern Crater (the area before the point-of-no-return).
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The year of the game's release. I wonder if that was intentional?
 
JBedford

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Flintlock said:
The year of the game's release. I wonder if that was intentional?
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They could have used any value from 1621 to a little less than 65535 (a little less because there is still some progression after the party regroup). There's no reason they would have to have gone to 1997, so it is extremely likely it was intentional because of the year of release (and perhaps the year they worked on the disk 3 events??).
 
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JBedford128 said:
It is. I once started the sidequest at this point, then he flew above the crater-- so I couldn't fight him because it triggered the cutscene. You do have to fly to Midgar after though, so you're not forced into it wasn't really that bad.

Here's what happens from Disk 3:
-Northern Cave stuff.
-Phoenix and Bahamut ZERO and W-Item become available at Bone Village if you missed them.
-Cosmo Canyon scene, and a bunch of NPCs in Cosmo Canyon and Kalm change what they say.
-When recruiting Vincent, Hojo will no longer be mentioned, only Sephiroth... in the Japanese version. In the English translation Vincent asks whether the party is going after Hojo in both instances, and on Disk 3 the party basically say "yes". Which is incredibly wrong. The "yes" is meant to be the answer to going after Sephiroth.
-The gondola ride can be accessed again (but only after you've gone to the area where your party has regrouped after the forks in Northern Cave...)

So no, there's nothing non-vital of interest on Disk 3 bar the Cosmo Canyon scene.
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JBedford128 said:
They could have used any value from 1621 to a little less than 65535 (a little less because there is still some progression after the party regroup). There's no reason they would have to have gone to 1997, so it is extremely likely it was intentional because of the year of release (and perhaps the year they worked on the ending??).
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i think JBed is Shademp son, but i'm not sure. can someone enligth me?
 
Novus

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Thanks guys, although I'm confused, can't you view what the change in backdrop is? Forgotten Capital is my favorite location in FF7 due to its architecture. Do you know what the backdrop is or is it too hard to extract.
 
JBedford

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The backdrop doesn't change (I thought it might because the background is an FMV).

But it's an FMV it transitions to. When you're supposed to go there it plays the scene where it shows Aeris in the waterfall. If you could watch that again on Disk 3 it would be another FMV. But Makou Reactor (the tool I use to read field scripts) always confuses me when it comes to this because the version I use (which might be old) returns the wrong FMV names.

I doubt the FMV is a Disk 3 FMV because it dies. It's probably something completely unrelated. Maybe Shademp can help. The field is (643)white2, the group is (1)mdir, and its Script 3.
 
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