Before Crisis and Crisis Core

[CameoAmalthea]

Should this canon be referenced at all in the Remake? If so how? The great thing about BC is it doesn't really rewrite canon so much as fill in gaps - so it doesn't need to be referenced - but continuity nods. Crisis Core made up a lot of it's own canon - so maybe a reference to Genesis could be thrown in just for continuity.

Do you think the remake makes a rerelease/remake of BC more likely?

Remaking the whole compilation is a chance to cash in - especially with Crisis Core and Dirge of Cerberus being a pretty simply HD remaster - similar with what the did with KH 1.5 and 2.5 releases (HD remasters of the PS2 and PSP Games). With Before Crisis it's a unique opportunity to make money because to everyone outside Japan it's a brand new game and the FFVII Remake will definitely boost interest in the spin off materials (especially is the Turks continue to be Dark House fan favorites).

There has been some talk on Squarenix's end that creators would like to remake Before Crisis for the 3DS ( the camera features would work will with the interactive cell phone camera features in the original - plus possible interactive opportunities between players). However, Squarenix has it's plate pretty full right now with KH3 and the FFVII Remake and everything else. But not right now doesn't mean never - and the possibility to rerelease the whole compilation as a bundle down the road is appealing.

Aside from a remake, we might get a translation and release for the OS - since other older cell phones games have been released - and at least then there will be a chance to actually play it in English (although I don't know how popular the release would be since 2005 cell phone game graphics and a lot of navigate this maze style game play). Still - being a Final Fantasy title it's going to sell some - right.

I'm still thinking that a full remake as possible - I mean KH Data which is the most useless filler game ever went from a cell phone game to a DS game to an American DS game then the HD cinematics included with 2.5. Yeah, KH is more global audience since Disney cross over game - but FFVII is pretty freaking popular and the remake is only going to increase interest.

 

[Theozilla]

As I've stated in other threads I think including Compilation content in the form of references/cameos/easter-eggs and/or extra content (as long as it was in a unobtrusive manner) would be enjoyable (or at least acceptable for people who aren't too hot on the Compilation).

There are a lot of different ways I think the Compilation content could be incorporated e.g. the retired/in-hiding Turks from BC could pop up as recognizable NPCs in various towns/cities around the world, locations like Banora village could be visitable, the activities of the previous Avalanche could be discussed/referenced by various NPCs in the game, etc.

Even the Nibelheim flashback could include a allusions/references towards Genesis without actually needing him to appear directly in it, which seems to be the biggest anxiety for people who dislike his character (as I stated before, I personally don't dislike Genesis. I don't think he is a great villain, but I find him serviceable enough). As I said in another thread, the way the reactor scene in the Nibelheim flashback could be portrayed in the remake can go along the lines of something like this:

Like, say after Sephiroth's "Am I...human?" line, have there be a flash/visual memory glitch occur (similar to Cloud's conversation with his Mother, or his first encounter with Reno) and have Cloud begin to say he thought someone else came/broke into the reactor, but then "correct" himself and say there wasn't anyone. And then have a shot of Cloud leaving the reactor, but in the background there is now a dumbapple sitting on one of the stair grates, like in CC, where there wasn't one before.

 

[LicoriceAllsorts]

I live the idea of the BC Turks as NPCs, recognizable to those who know them, but if you don't know them it makes no difference to the game. It would give me some new canon to play with!

 

[Kionae]

I wouldn't mind some references to the games... like you mentioned, NPCs of the BC Turks would be kind of awesome. And I also think it could be used to flesh out the world map a bit to include places like (what's left of) Banora, Modeoheim, the fort in Wutai, etc.

But I think maybe leave it at that, and let those games stand more or less on their own.

 

[AerithLives]

I would like to see some more of it cross over just so its a little easier to understand. I love the FF7 storyline but I think it was presented in a little more complicated way than it needed to be.

 

[Tashasaurous]

Should this canon be referenced at all in the Remake? If so how? The great thing about BC is it doesn't really rewrite canon so much as fill in gaps - so it doesn't need to be referenced - but continuity nods. Crisis Core made up a lot of it's own canon - so maybe a reference to Genesis could be thrown in just for continuity.

They're both great storylines, and it shows people that the Turks are not evil but just human beings following orders, and Genesis has been created in the similiar way Ventus, Terra, Aqua and Xehanort were created.

Do you think the remake makes a rerelease/remake of BC more likely?

This, I highly doubt, now that they decided to do a remake of the original game rather than continue it or at least remake Before Crisis. In truth, admittedly, the only reason why I want to play it is because to play those special episodes of Tseng, Reno(especially, since he's my favorite, and I always fall in love with him in Advent Children Complete added scenes) and Legend. Or even just watch the gameplays of Reno and Legend on online, but all we get is the gameplay of Tseng and Veld, and scripts of Reno and Legend.

Remaking the whole compilation is a chance to cash in - especially with Crisis Core and Dirge of Cerberus being a pretty simply HD remaster - similar with what the did with KH 1.5 and 2.5 releases (HD remasters of the PS2 and PSP Games). With Before Crisis it's a unique opportunity to make money because to everyone outside Japan it's a brand new game and the FFVII Remake will definitely boost interest in the spin off materials (especially is the Turks continue to be Dark House fan favorites).

I was thinking that they would've made a HD remaster of Crisis Core and Dirge of Cerberus since I strongly believed that the Remake was clearly not possible. However, with the remake, it felt more like a powerful reboot to me, and we've only got two years before the 20th Anniversary(which is also my brother in law's 30th birthday).

There has been some talk on Squarenix's end that creators would like to remake Before Crisis for the 3DS ( the camera features would work will with the interactive cell phone camera features in the original - plus possible interactive opportunities between players). However, Squarenix has it's plate pretty full right now with KH3 and the FFVII Remake and everything else. But not right now doesn't mean never - and the possibility to rerelease the whole compilation as a bundle down the road is appealing.

I think the only reason why they did this with the Compilation of Kingdom Hearts is because 1), KH3 failed to be made for PS3 on time, 2), it was to boost new generation of KH fans, and 3), because PS4 is already out. Not to mention that a lot of people liked Kingdom Hearts more than the Compilation of FFVII(which I have no idea why, since I think all titles are cool, story-wise and makes sense).

Aside from a remake, we might get a translation and release for the OS - since other older cell phones games have been released - and at least then there will be a chance to actually play it in English (although I don't know how popular the release would be since 2005 cell phone game graphics and a lot of navigate this maze style game play). Still - being a Final Fantasy title it's going to sell some - right.

That'll never happen, as much as we all want it. We'd be lucky if they remade it in a similiar fashion to Final Fantasy Agito without screwing up. Plus, I had hoped since last year started that they'd finally get somewhere with Before Crisis since 2014 was it's 10th Anniversary.

I'm still thinking that a full remake as possible - I mean KH Data which is the most useless filler game ever went from a cell phone game to a DS game to an American DS game then the HD cinematics included with 2.5. Yeah, KH is more global audience since Disney cross over game - but FFVII is pretty freaking popular and the remake is only going to increase interest.

It was remade because it's part of the storyline to make more sense to the KH series. Plus, Disney never had any several year cliff-hangers of what would happen to characters that was left a mystery. Not to mention that Disney came LONG before Square Soft and Enix were ever thought of, counting back to Walt Disney who, once upon a time, used to work for Universal until he got fired(mainly because he asked if he could update Oswald, and well, I can sense that his boss hated that idea, which is why Mickey Mouse is made popular) and started up his own studio which made generations of success even after his death in the 1960's.

That aside, unlike us Compilation of FFVII fans, people wanted the remake of the original game more, giving us less of a chance to have the Compilation to even finish after a nine year hiatus.

 

[Clement Rage]

I live the idea of the BC Turks as NPCs, recognizable to those who know them, but if you don't know them it makes no difference to the game. It would give me some new canon to play with!

Thing is, by a strange coincidence, every single member of Cloud's crew (even Vincent) has already met at least one of the BC Turks in very memorable circumstances. At least one of them would recognise them.

 

[e.suna]

I liked the Turks as the close-knit group that they were in the OG; most of the new ones in BC were pretty generic. But it wouldn't be terrible if they popped up now and then as NPCs in the remake. I just don't want them to take screentime away from the original Turks! They are my favorites!

It's been a long time since I read the translations, but I would totally love to give BC a go should they decide to remake it.

And while I loved CC, I hated the existence of Genesis (a thinly veiled vehicle to get Gackt into a video game) and how they sentimentalized and cheese-ified Zack's death scene.

Sorry, I sound like an old fuddy-duddy.

 

[ForceStealer]

As I said, as long as it doesn't infringe on the actual story, I'm fine with it. Incidental NPC dialogue, post-game optional dungeons, all of that would fine, perhaps even welcome. Just leave the original story intact.

 

[Octo]

Something where, perhaps a NPC working in a shop or bar bears a passing resemblance to one of the BC Turks, I'd be cool with that. But other than that, I wouldn't want too much canon info on them because a) it kind of defeats the point of them going into hiding in the first place and b) I'm not confident that they would come up with anything that wouldn't be fucking stupid that is going to further pollute the plot

 

[Obsidian Fire]

Here's the thing for me: the FFVII remake will be the new canon when it comes out. Who cares if it contradicts the other Compilation games? They aren't going to "override" the canon of the OG any more. SE could decide to completely scrap everything that happens in BC, CC, and DC, and I wouldn't really care so long as the narrative makes sense. In fact, I kinda hope they will as that would not tie the OG to a bunch of games that really didn't think out the ramifications of how their stories meshed with the OG in a lot of ways.

Now knowing SE as well as we know them, they probably won't do that. They'll probably reference parts of BC, CC, and DC. But instead of having to fit the Compilation into the OG, they'll now be fitting the OG into the Compilation. TBH, I kinda don't think a lot of people are going to like that given how they didn't like how the Compilation fiddled with the OG. 'Cause we could have anything from Genesis being written out of Canon to him being included at Nibelheim...

 

[ForceStealer]

But instead of having to fit the Compilation into the OG, they'll now be fitting the OG into the Compilation.

Actually, if I were to bet, I would more expect them to make something that doesn't fit with either They seem perfectly content to not have anything fit with anything else in most cases. See: the myriad different versions of the Nibelheim Incident.

 

[LicoriceAllsorts]

I think you're right, Tres. They are normally not interested in telling the same story exactly the same way twice. I wonder if consistency and continuity are really such a big deal for them, culturally speaking. Square seem more interested in telling the same idea using theme and variations on the plot.

 

[Octo]

^It's Force, not Tres. Although he is equally godlike

Y'see if this was some sort of ancient mythology, I could forgive it. You know like how often mythological stories have 9000 different versions. But I imagine that is something that evolves naturally over hundreds of years. Not, y'know, 20 years.

Having said that, it would be cool to see them employ some of the ideas they had for the original. Though I doubt they would do that, as some of those things - the Seph/Aerith lovers/siblings thing would change things too drastically.

 

[LicoriceAllsorts]

Oops.

 

[ForceStealer]

^It's Force, not Tres. Although he is equally godlike

 

[Flare]

I'd like to see some nods to the compilation. I personally really liked CC's storyline, even if I'm not a fan of Genesis; I think the Nibelheim incident, with Sephiroth going crazy, was more believable in CC than the original game.

I like the locations idea, and it would be neat if they included even a few more locations for the remake, new places for side quests and whatnot.

 

[LicoriceAllsorts]

Yes, I'd like to see them flesh out the world. It's pretty hard to believe that there's only one industrialized city on the entire planet, only one shipping route, and so on.

 

[Flare]

Yeah, exactly. I mean Junon is the only one that comes close to Midgar. For being a world with high technology like that, you'd think there'd be some bigger/more cities.

 

[X-SOLDIER]

Here're my thoughts on the whole thing insofar as all the Compilation stuff is concerned:

The original Final Fantasy VII is very much the story as told from Cloud's point of view. Anything that he didn't see (like Genesis) wasn't a part of that story. Likewise, when we're initially introduced to a lot of the plot points we see how Cloud (mis)remembers them until they're cleared up. I think that for the remake it'd be really cool to have the PoV be closer to the team's perspective, and we get to see Cloud explaining things, but know that he's misremembering them from the get go -- like Tifa giving Barret looks when Cloud's explaining things in Kalm.

On that same note, I think that it'd be a good opportunity to portray any bits and pieces of the Compilation canon that crosses into the main story or has a way to lightly touch the story in a way that matches the whole world of FFVII. Fleshing it out more and make it obvious that the Turks and ShinRa's science division were once bigger. Little things like that.



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[lithiumkatana17]

I think a good way of mentioning BC and CC would be through conversations with NPCs throughout the entire game. That way we're at least getting those throwbacks and easter eggs, but it's not cutting too crazily into the main storyline. Granted, there will be something exceptions. I think it was Nomura who said the CC version of the Nibelheim incident is the official canon, correct? So there's a guarantee that at Genesis will be seen and/or mentioned. And personally, I'd love to hear Cloud talk about his 'mentor' Angeal at least once, even in passing, before finding out the truth.

It would be awesome to see more Turks though. Maybe bring Cissnei in for a little cameo?

I think I've said it another thread also, but it would be awesome to have the other Shinra execs mention Lazard a few times, maybe about how SOLDIER ran better under his command, or something like that. Or maybe how he would have made a better VP than Rufus.

 

[Starling]

I think Cloud talking about Angeal as his mentor might be pushing it, as far as confusing his identity with Zack goes. I got the impression that aspect of it was somewhat superficial, considering it only really took bringing up a few inconsistencies and Tifa's doubts to have it all fall apart.

 

[lithiumkatana17]

I think Cloud talking about Angeal as his mentor might be pushing it, as far as confusing his identity with Zack goes. I got the impression that aspect of it was somewhat superficial, considering it only really took bringing up a few inconsistencies and Tifa's doubts to have it all fall apart.

Well, maybe not go off in a complete tangent, but it would be cool if Cloud did a throwback to Angeal's 'dreams and honor' line.

 

[Starling]

Well, to Cloud it'd probably be Zack's dreams and honor line, considering what Zack says in the CC version of his death.