Characters you want in Dissidia

[Ryushikaze]

Now, allow me to state this was preface by my getting the mallet item in Inward Chaos and looking through the new items, to find that there was an item called Machine gun.

That got me thinking how much I wanted Laguna in this game.

That got me thinking, who do you want in this game, and more importantly, HOW DO YOU WANT THEM TO PLAY?

Here's what I've though about for Laguna thus far.

EX mode- "Power of the Fairies" All of lagunas attacks do a bit more damage, and a phantom Squall can be seen hovering around him, maybe aiding in Laguna's combos.

EX- Burst: The Power of Teamwork- Laguna calls in Laguna and Ward, who do various attacks as you make a serious of inputs. Get them all right, and Laguna tosses a grenade, performs desperado, and they nod proudly before leaving. Fail, he trips as he tosses the grenade, doesn't do desperado, and the grenade goes off, as Ward and Kiros shake their heads in shame. For added lulz, he can be launched by the grenade as well, though does no damage.

He'd be a mix of long rang single shot attacks and short range multifire attacks. Not sure what his HP to attacks should be, but I think his BtoHP attacks should be Magic to Machinegun combos.

Can equip swords, knives, ranged weapons, clothing, light armor, hats, and helms.

So, who all do you want to see lay down the smack?

 

[Celes Chere]

Kain Highwind, damnit. (I don't really think he needs an explanation.)

And of course, Celes.

 

[Alessa Gillespie]

FARIS PLZ. Because I find her more interesting than Bartz and she has a cooler backstory.

 

[Makoeyes987]

Explain your choices damnit. That's the point of the thread.

 

[ForceStealer]

And of course, Celes.

You know, given the whole thing of making Jecht a villain simply because he had more of a relation to Tidus when he wasn't REALLY a villain made me thint they should have replaced Terra with Celes even though she's less of a main character than Terra.
Celes, I think, has much closer and personal relation to Kefka than Terra. Yes Kefka enslaved Terra and had her do his bidding which allowed for, in Dissidia, for a lot of doubt about her past and all that. But Celes actually WAS a villain from before FFVI's story so she'd actually have to deal with being a former compatriot (and then some) of Kefka's.
I don't have a particular problem with Terra, but Celes is one of my favorite FF heroines and think her story could have been more interesting. Also, I don't think she'd play much differently from Terra really. Mainly magic but also can use a sword. AND you could throw in the Runic blade which could be fun. (Could you Runic Sephiroth's Meteor? )

I don't know what she'd have for EX Mode...maybe she could turn into Maria

 

[DrakeClawfang]

Celes as the villain opposing Terra, she takes the side of Chaos to test Terra's strength and resolve to toughen her up for the inevitable battle with Chaos himself - http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/User:Drake_Clawfang/Celes

Kain as the villain opposing Cecil, he's mind-controlled by Chaos and wishes to prove himself stronger than Cecil.

Seifer as the villain opposing Squall, he's sided with Chaos on the promise of fulfilling his unspecified dream.

Gilgamesh as the villain opposing Bartz, given that Bartz is a Mime and can use the weapons of the heroes, Gilgamesh has targeted Bartz for his collection of rare weapons.

Yuna and Seymour representing FFX. Since Tidus vanished in the last war, Yuna is seeking the Crystal he sought to find clues to his whereabouts. Seymour appears to her to try and convince her to abandon her "futile" fight against Chaos and accept defeat, promising to take her to Tidus if she surrenders and sides with him.

Ashe and Gabranth as the heroes representing FFXII. Ashe will be chosen due to Gabranth killing her friends, seizing her Crystal and forcing her into hiding. Ashe will desire revenge against Gabranth. Because XII focuses on her attempts to overthrow the Empire, Ashe is more suited to be considered as the protagonist than Basch or Balthier. Balthier has no connection to Gabranth as a hero, and while Basch certainly does, if he were in he and Gabranth would have pretty much the exact same EX Burst. Having Ashe in would also add another lady to the Cosmos side, and with her, Yuna and Terra, there'd actually be some real female representation. :p

 

[Ryushikaze]

Again, as Mako said, and I put in ALLCAPS in my first post, this thread is just as much about 'How will these characters play in battle' as 'who do you want in', and more about that than 'what is their story'

At the very least, a description of their battle styles, EX Mode, and EX burst names and descriptions, please. Further information, such as Alt mode, what their attacks look and act like, etc. are not necessary but appreciated.

So, to the people suggesting Kain and Celes, for example, how will these people play that will distinguish them from Cecil and Terra, for example?

 

[Celes Chere]

My explanation for Kain is that he just plain pwns.
Okay, so that ya'll don't get pissy with me- I actually think it'd be interesting if (like in the game) we got to see Kain's struggles between sides... his mind being controlled and what-not. Cecil and Kain I can imagine, would have some pretty epic bromance scenes too. . . as well as battles. I absolutely love Dragoons.and there was none of that in Dissidia, which is such a shame. It sucks that only the very main characters were used (besides the extras) when there are so many possibilities. Just my luck that none of them are like Freya, Kain, Kimhari, or Cid. Cecil was the closest you got to that and meh, it didn't feel right. They made magic users work in this game, so I'd possibly like to see more of them. (Rosa, for example! She has got some bite to her.)

made me thint they should have replaced Terra with Celes even though she's less of a main character than Terra.
Celes, I think, has much closer and personal relation to Kefka than Terra. Yes Kefka enslaved Terra and had her do his bidding which allowed for, in Dissidia, for a lot of doubt about her past and all that. But Celes actually WAS a villain from before FFVI's story so she'd actually have to deal with being a former compatriot (and then some) of Kefka's.
I don't have a particular problem with Terra, but Celes is one of my favorite FF heroines and think her story could have been more interesting. Also, I don't think she'd play much differently from Terra really. Mainly magic but also can use a sword. AND you could throw in the Runic blade which could be fun. (Could you Runic Sephiroth's Meteor?

I agree with this. I understand that Terra is preferred and is part Esper, but Celes has a huge role herself. I think she probably developed the most as a character in FFVI. We got to see all of her ups and downs, see her fall and rise up from the ashes. I don't have a problem with Terra either, I just think she's a bit boring so I don't understand really, why she's so popular. I'd think that Kefka would have more of an attachment to Celes as well, especially since she's just as powerful as Terra is in my opinion... Not to mention that Kefka had some-what of an attraction to her if I'm not mistaken?

Runic > All.

I also like Drake's ideas too, minus the last one.

 

[Ryushikaze]

Celes, that still does not answer the thrust of this thread- which is How will they play in battle? How is their style described? What are their EX modes and EX bursts? In other words, what would make these interesting people to PLAY AS and AGAINST?

Also, You added one too many I's. VI, not VII.

 

[Makoeyes987]

Weren't fans getting pissed that the creator's rehashed the same struggles and shit the characters encountered in their games? I'd say, it'd be much more interesting if Kain would at least be more of a double agent ala Golbez, or hell, he just was a straight up hero, as he was in "The After Years", since he became a Holy Dragoon. It'd be rather strange for him to still be getting pulled to the darkside and trying to murder Cecil, if he went through Mount Ordeals and overcame that darkness in the first place.

And...I didn't know Celes was in FFVII. I'll need to replay it and see.

And if Celes is a villain in Dissidia's sequel, I'm personally going to murder both of your families in your sleep and set fire to your houses. Just so we're clear.

LOL, no one wants to play by Ryu's rules.

I'd recommend Lightning but sadly since I have not a single idea of how she fights or what her special abilities are, I can't really say anyone else.

 

[DrakeClawfang]

So, to the people suggesting Kain and Celes, for example, how will these people play that will distinguish them from Cecil and Terra, for example?

Clicky the linky for Celes-y.

Kain would be a strong aerial melee fighter with mediocre grounded capabilities. His specialty would be keeping opponents on their toes. He'd have grounded attack that send him into the air, or aerial attacks that slam them downwards. So while Kain is most suited to aerial fighting, he can fight on the ground too and thus adapt his style to the opponent. If the opposing player is strong on the ground, stick to the air. If they're good in the air, use Kain's slam-type attacks to keep their feet on the ground.

I had a FF Wiki page with entire move-sets for Kain, Gilgamesh, Tifa, Vincent, Sora, Riku, and others, but I had it deleted. Maybe I should dig it back up....

 

[Makoeyes987]

I'd say that if Kain were to be in the next game, it'd only be natural he'd have the most jumps than any hero character. He could be like Zidane in terms of the number of jumps, except...superior

I'd say he should have 4 jumps. And then in Ex Mode, he'd have 6. Yeah. He'd be literally just dancing on air. XD

 

[DrakeClawfang]

I'd say that if Kain were to be in the next game, it'd only be natural he'd have the most jumps than any hero character. He could be like Zidane in terms of the number of jumps, except...superior

I'd say he should have 4 jumps. And then in Ex Mode, he'd have 6. Yeah. He'd be literally just dancing on air. XD

Why would you need jumps when you can Dodge Cancel infinitely?

 

[Makoeyes987]

Why would you need jumps when you can Dodge Cancel infinitely?

Well in terms of game mechanics, he should have the most number of jumps since he's a Dragoon, his specialty is aerial combat, and Dragoons excel...at jumping. It'd only make sense for him to be able to jump numerous times, AND dodge cancel. If the air is going to be his strong suit, it should definitely reflect that in his play style. ^^

 

[DrakeClawfang]

Good news is The After Years gave us a shitload of Jump variations to stick on Kain for attacks. :p

 

[Celes Chere]

SCREW YOU GUYS I'M GOING HOME IT WAS A TYPO.

Thanks Ryu. Er, I'll get back to you on actually answering those questions.

Possibly. Maybe. Cba atm.

 

[Cannon_Fodder]

My preposition is Nanaki. My thinking is he’d be like Jecht for the Cosmos side, specializing in short range, brutal combos. In the original he just fought with his claws right? Well I’m thinking same deal here. Like Jecht, you get in close then time circle presses and directions to unleash branching chains. His damaging limit breaks (Sled Fang, Blood Fang, Stardust Ray, and Earth Rave) would obviously top off combos. His EX Mode would be a combination of Lunatic High and Howling Moon, increasing his running speed, initial attack range, and damage output. Shocker! His EX burst would be Cosmo Memory (hold a button to fill a gauge like CoD/Exdeath), wherein he blows his enemies right the fuck up. Finally, to make him different then Jecht, at least a little, he would have a fast but weak ranged attack. Maybe some kind of earth spell cast via materia.

My other idea is Vivi, because this game needs more adorable black mages that can kill you in a heartbeat (screw you Shantotto!). My idea for Vivi is similar to Shantotto, except it is only his brave attacks that level up as he gains more brave, similar to how he gained confidence in the story. His HP attacks would never change, and lag a lot like Kuja’s, but he would be insta brave-rape. EX mode is yet another trance, complete with double casting with Doomsday (carefully time repeated presses of X, like the jump rope minigame) as a finisher.

Finally, because FFX was my first, we need a rep from there. Yuna and Seymour would be good, don’t get me wrong, but Auron is too cool to skip. His fighting style would be like a mix of Cloud (heavy hitting) and I guess Sephiroth (requiring carefully timed presses to get max damage). HP’s are his overdrives, with his EX mode increasing his attack speed and giving him a phoenix down effect. If he’s killed in EX, he comes back with 1 HP just like his crawl down Gagazet in the game after the first pilgrimage. If that’s considered cheap, you could dumb down his EX burst to compensate (Tornado, minigame like Firion’s).

Tl;dr Nanaki, Vivi, Auron.

 

[ForceStealer]

I'd say that if Kain were to be in the next game, it'd only be natural he'd have the most jumps than any hero character. He could be like Zidane in terms of the number of jumps, except...superior

I'd say he should have 4 jumps. And then in Ex Mode, he'd have 6. Yeah. He'd be literally just dancing on air. XD

Maybe not more jumps, but each of his jumps are freaking high.

 

[SOLDIERis1337]

I would love to see Kain in the next Dissidia. Not only is he a great character personality wise as other have mentioned, he could be interesting combat, something along the lines of an air to ground style of play. Think of attack where you start out above the opponent or in the air with him and take him to the ground to deliver serious damage. He would need to be more maneuverable in the air but have more powerful attacks that strike to the surface. Hopefully you get the idea I'm trying to convey with this, I think it would be quite fun.

 

[Vossler]

I would say Citan from Xenogears. The guy packs a mean punch when it comes to hand to hand combat. Get a sword in his hand and he's even deadlier.

 

[Makoeyes987]

I would say Citan from Xenogears. The guy packs a mean punch when it comes to hand to hand combat. Get a sword in his hand and he's even deadlier.

.....Uh, you do realize this is Final Fantasy, not every single S-E franchise under the name?

 

[ForceStealer]

.....Uh, you do realize this is Final Fantasy, not every single S-E franchise under the name?

I want the ship from Einhander!

 

[Vossler]

.....Uh, you do realize this is Final Fantasy, not every single S-E franchise under the name?

Yeah I thought he was good enough to be different.
Well I think Edward from FF2 should come in. It would be hilarious watching him kick Sephiroth's ass with his harp. I can picture it. The musical notes coming out and just wiping him out.

 

[Ryushikaze]

Yeah I thought he was good enough to be different.
Well I think Edward from FF2 should come in. It would be hilarious watching him kick Sephiroth's ass with his harp. I can picture it. The musical notes coming out and just wiping him out.

FF4. That's FF4.

But again, do try and post more thought out ideas. For example, what in the name of five and 3/7th hells is Spoony's EX mode and Burst?

 

[DrakeClawfang]

FF4. That's FF4.

But again, do try and post more thought out ideas. For example, what in the name of five and 3/7th hells is Spoony's EX mode and Burst?

Edward's EX Mode is "Grow a Pair", where he changes into his costume from The After and is actually worth something as a fighter. Out of EX Mode Edward has the special ability "Hide", where he randomly vanishes from and the player can't do anything until he decides to reappear. Because of his weak attacks, useless ability and general wimpiness, Edward is the weakest character in Final Fantasy IV Dissidia.