Cloud is not emo dammit!

[The Twilight Mexican]

AC could have been done without excessive amounts of wangst.

How are you going to do Angsty Children without the angst?

I like angst.

 

[Vendel]

1.) Wtf is your avatar and sig?

The last thing you see before you die.

2.) What wangst are you talking about? I actually clocked it for lulz, and Cloud only spends about an average 25 minutes of the film actually in his depressed state of mind. That's not even half. The rest of the time is him back to his usual self fighting and no longer waiting to die from his terminal illness.

So the whole assertion of Cloud being depressed a majority of AC is an inaccurate generalization right from the start.

Don't forget CoT.

And the point is that they could have told this particular story without taking it up to 11.

 

[Masamune]

Well in regards to the point, how would saving the planet bring any sort of redemption, when its the deaths of his personal friends that he feels guilty and unhappy over? Saving the world is nice, but it won't bring raise the dead or alleviate any sense of personal failure out of holding together his own personal life. The past won't change.

Yes, he failed two dear lives, but let's put this into perspective. I don't think it's every day you save the world from total extinction. If that didn't bring gravitas to Cloud's fortitude, I don't know what would!

Firefighters save countless lives, but the first life a firefighter fails to save can easily shake up their resolve and leave them feeling depressed and guilty.

Come on, you don't want to take this seriously, do you?

 

[Makoeyes987]

Yes, he failed two dear lives, but let's put this into perspective. I don't think it's every day you save the world from total extinction. If that didn't bring gravitas to Cloud's fortitude, I don't know what would!

You need to tell Cloud to put it in perspective

Come on, you don't want to take this seriously, do you?

Just an example. Objectively one would think that in terms of understanding the significance of his achievements and how he isn't perfect, he'd be able to let go and "move on" from losing two dear friends he failed to protect, but depression isn't exactly a rationale phenomenon. Its based on a distorted frame of thinking and holding one's self to higher than normal expectations. In fact, the fact he did save the world, yet failed to save two people would only serve to compound the fact that he failed where it mattered most in his personal life.

 

[Makoeyes987]

The last thing you see before you die.

LOL, no seriously. Where is that from? Is that a movie or something?

Don't forget CoT.

And the point is that they could have told this particular story without taking it up to 11.

Tifa was pretty emo too. Almost as bad as Cloud.

And again, Cloud was "emo" for 25 minutes out of a 125 minute film. Let's keep it in perspective here. Cloud was back to fighting and being positive for 100 of those minutes, ffs.

 

[Isabella]

In a nutshell, the characterization in the movie is lazy and is mostly there as space filler until we get to the fight scenes. And Mako, you can shout your Cloud fanboyism from the rooftops and it won't make me change my mind about that.

 

[RagnorokKing]

Second post, read it.

I shall reiterate, I think I more dislike his voice actor than anything else.
Yes, in Crisis Core he did have some good moments with Zack, too bad he sounded EXACTLY like he did in every other fucking thing he's in.
Wow, almost used all caps, that would have been a death bell.

I don't know, every Cloud Steve Burton does sounds the same, happy Cloud, sad Cloud, angry Cloud, constipated Cloud, they all sound the same.
Which is a shame really.
I mean, if they ever did a FF7 remake, I can not honestly see him voicing any of Cloud's lines.
Let's look at it, Cloud goes through every emotion, from serious to almost silly. And with Burtons' voice, I just can't picture him being able to capture any of that. Hell, I can't even picture Cloud as angry with his voice.
Like, my problem with Advent Children. All he does in the voice is change Cloud from saying words all Kirk style (Slowly, spaced apart) to saying them together.
I could see at the beginning Cloud like that. Yes, he's unsure of himself, doesn't know what to do.
But you can't deny by the end of teh movie, easily by the time he starts fighting Bahamut Sin, that he's got his confidence back.
But non of that came through in his voice. To me, it was all his actions.
I could have read it in text form, and as long as it had the video, I would have felt the same impact.
Same thing in Dissidia. He starts off unsure of what he should do, why he should fight. But at the end, he has the resolve to keep fighting. Yet, in every scene with him after that h doesn't sound any different than when he started. You would think he would at least have a little more sternness in his voice. But no, same deadpan Cloud.
Which is a shame because I know Burton can do that.
It makes me wonder if he's just giving the lines like that or if it SE people telling him to sound like that.

 

[Makoeyes987]

In a nutshell, the characterization in the movie is lazy and is mostly there as space filler until we get to the fight scenes. And Mako, you can shout your Cloud fanboyism from the rooftops and it won't make me change my mind about that.

Dude, it's the fact, not me fanboying him. He's not even "emo" for half the movie. How is it lazy and a majority of his character, when by the time he speaks to Vincent he's essentially out of his depression?

@Ragnarokking

So if its just you not liking Steve Burton, why didn't you say that in the first place?

 

[Celes Chere]

Yeah, Cloud's voice has always sucked imo, especially in Kindgom Hearts.

Or, how about Dissidia? "Burn. Burn. Burn."

 

[Isabella]

Dude, it's the fact, not me fanboying him. He's not even "emo" for half the movie. How is it lazy and a majority of his character, when by the time he speaks to Vincent he's essentially out of his depression?

That's what's lazy. Depression isn't cured overnight with a magic wand. The characters are oversimplified and cliche.

And believe it or not I'm ok with that, since I don't think great drama was ever the intention. It's eye candy and a treat for fans. But that's all it is, and no one should kid themselves that there's anything nuanced about the characters in this movie.

 

[Makoeyes987]

That's what's lazy. Depression isn't cured overnight with a magic wand. The characters are oversimplified and cliche.

Touche, Miss.

And believe it or not I'm ok with that, since I don't think great drama was ever the intention. It's eye candy and a treat for fans. But that's all it is, and no one should kid themselves that there's anything nuanced about the characters in this movie.

Well no it wasn't, I definitely don't think that was the intention either. But I would say that CoT was a good examination of the hardships Cloud and Tifa encountered trying to start a life together. It was certainly more nuanced than the film. Probably because of it being more of a dramatic novella, rather than a fast paced action film.

 

[Isabella]

I'd agree with that. But I think the buildup of CoT deserves a more rewarding conclusion, for the family I mean. CoT delves into how Cloud's issues affect the family. We know Cloud returns to them and presumably their family bond will be all the stronger for having survived this, but I think the audience deserved more than an exchanged smile to communicate all of that.

 

[knit_lace]

I'd agree with that. But I think the buildup of CoT deserves a more rewarding conclusion, for the family I mean. CoT delves into how Cloud's issues affect the family. We know Cloud returns to them and presumably their family bond will be all the stronger for having survived this, but I think the audience deserved more than an exchanged smile to communicate all of that.

This. For all that he put Tifa and the kids through, an apology scene would be nice. To show that he owes up to his mistake. No, not apologizing for being late, but for being irresponsible. He is head of a household afterall.

 

[Makoeyes987]

This. For all that he put Tifa and the kids through, an apology scene would be nice. To show that he owes up to his mistake. No, not apologizing for being late, but for being irresponsible. He is head of a household afterall.

I guess you never heard of the saying actions speak louder than words.

 

[Gym Leader Devil]

Just an example. Objectively one would think that in terms of understanding the significance of his achievements and how he isn't perfect, he'd be able to let go and "move on" from losing two dear friends he failed to protect, but depression isn't exactly a rationale phenomenon. Its based on a distorted frame of thinking and holding one's self to higher than normal expectations. In fact, the fact he did save the world, yet failed to save two people would only serve to compound the fact that he failed where it mattered most in his personal life.

This. Imagine two people you cared very much for had been killed, and you couldn't protect either of them. Then you manage to save the entire world from destruction. I dunno about the rest of ya, but I'd be asking myself "Why couldn't I do that sooner?" or something similar. And that leads to irrational depression and angst.

 

[knit_lace]

I guess you never heard of the saying actions speak louder than words.

Well, what actions did he show in the movie to constitute an apology to the family?

 

[Gym Leader Devil]

Well, what actions did he show in the movie to constitute an apology to the family?

Does no one remember his little talk with Marlene when he drops her off at the bar? That had a feel of apology to me. Doesn't address an apology to Tifa of course, but at least part of the family got something.

 

[Vossler]

Cloud isn't emo! He made let's mosey a house hold name!

 

[Dashell]

I'd agree with that. But I think the buildup of CoT deserves a more rewarding conclusion, for the family I mean. CoT delves into how Cloud's issues affect the family. We know Cloud returns to them and presumably their family bond will be all the stronger for having survived this, but I think the audience deserved more than an exchanged smile to communicate all of that.

Which is why Clerith is canon

But really I agree, it would have been nice to resolve that a little better . I guess Cloud and Denzel going for a walk was kind of neat in ACC but still... yeah something else would have been nice.

 

[Isabella]

That's bull poopity and you know it, Mako. you guys are far too inclined to forgive Mr. Pouty-pants. If I were a woman in Tifa's situation I'd require a lot more than, "OK, all better, I'm back now!" before I took him back, for the children's sake if not for mine. Otherwise it's "sorry kids! Dad left again 'cause his team didn't win the super bowl!"

OK, so that's an exaggeration. But Cloud owes the family an explanation, an apology, and most important, a renewed dedication to keeping the family together through thick and thin.

 

[Strangelove]

CGI spooge

Have you got a quota you have to meet by using this phrase?

 

[linegenrou]

Cloud only became "emo" because of Advent Children.
He wasn't like that in the original game,not even with all his problems and the situation they were living in.

 

[linegenrou]

Yeah, Cloud's voice has always sucked imo, especially in Kindgom Hearts.

Or, how about Dissidia? "Burn. Burn. Burn."

One of the reason why I got the undub version.
Mainly because of Squall's nasal voice from hell that just DOESN'T FIT HIM.
All of them sound terrible.Funny thing though,Cloud's voice is tolerable enough,but I have to agree,monotone voice.

 

[Vendel]

LOL, no seriously. Where is that from? Is that a movie or something?

Because you demanded it.

Spoiler

 

[The Twilight Mexican]

Because you demanded it.

Spoiler

I still say that was bullshit.


EDIT: Also, I love Steve Burton as Cloud's voice. He's been perfect since day one.