Continuity conflict in Crisis Core/Before Crisis [spoilers]

[LicoriceAllsorts]

According to Crisis Core and the received canon, Rufus Shinra is appointed VP at the start of CC (aged 15) and is then put under house arrest for 6 years in Junon for unspecificed reasons - presumably attempting to kill his father. His absence is explained as an 'extended business trip abroad.'

However, in Before Crisis, which begins at roughly the same time as Crisis Core, Rufus is appointed VP at age 15 and remains VP for three or four years before being revealed as the traitor who is leaking secrets to evil Avalanche; the Turks manage to nab him and hold him hostage in an attempt to trade him for their ex-leader Veld. After this he is, I think, sent to Junon and kept under house arrest for 3 years, not six.

Before Crisis appears to be a fun game, though it also has more holes in its plot than my sock does. Anyway, can anyone reconcile this apparent 'crisis' of continuity?

 

[Mariketsu]

I don't know too much on Before Crisis, but the events of Crisis Core are probably the actual canon really. Reason being, though alot of the events on Before Crisis ARE canon, there were parts that were conflicting, like the event of Cloud overcoming Sephiroth, which was portrayed as Sephiroth committing suicide, other than Cloud killing Sephiroth, which was potrayed in Crisis Core. Perhaps it's another conflicting kink with the event of Rufus being under house-arrest for 3 years as possibly the actual canon in Crisis Core over Before Crisis' version of events.

I hope that makes sense XD, but it just kinda seems that way to me. Also, Last Order had the same conflicting Sephiroth-committing-suicide event as well, though it seems Crisis Core is named as the actual canon over that one for said event.

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[Neutron Ronnie]

I was disturbed by that as well...

But could it be possible that at that point Rufus really did go on a business trip? Or that his whereabouts really were being kept secret by Shinra? Before they found out he was the mole, I mean...

 

[Makoeyes987]

There is no continuity conflict. Rufus really did go onto a business trip after his appointment in [ μ ] - εуλ 0000. He didn't get put under house arrest until [ ν ] - εуλ 0003, when AVALANCHE betrayed him, struck the North Corel reactor, and the Turks released the evidence of his treachery and leaking of private Shinra documents to aid in their terrorism.

Also, Before Crisis does not start at the same time as Crisis Core, which is [ μ ] - εуλ 0000. Crisis Core starts first. Before Crisis doesn't start until [ ν ] - εуλ 0001.

Rufus is kept under house arrest until [ ν ] - εуλ 0007. Which is when FFVII begins and the one who kept him under house arrest, President Shinra, is killed. Thus ending his time under watch.

I have no clue where you're getting your dates from, but you're wrong, and BC's timeline is pretty consistent with what we've been given regarding FFVII and Crisis Core. I see now "holes like a sock."

 

[Cat Rage Room]

Can someone tell me what [ ν ] - εуλ means?

 

[Mariketsu]

I have to agree with MOG on that too XD. I couldn't quite read those

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[LicoriceAllsorts]

I could well be wrong

I have never played BC, but I got the dates from the summaries on this website and at DarkAngel's wonderful script translations. I have played Crisis Core. It's just that I'd always understood that Rufus had been under house arrest since the moment he was appointed VP, which is January 0001 (or in some versions 1991), and that the 'business trip' was a cover up. I think he was only about 16 at the time. According to the summaries on this website, Rufus is revealed as the traitor in August 0003 (1993), so he'd had three years of being VP and acting as a double agent before he is captured and arrested. After that he appears to be held by the Turks for about 4 years. I don't mind at all being wrong; it won't be the first time. And I am happy to accept that he really did just go on a business trip and then come back. But I am also prepared to believe that the left hand doesn't always know what the right hand is doing at Square Enix.

I just happen to think that BC is a pretty good story up until Veld gets captured by Scarlett and Zirconiade appears, by which point it begins to feel a bit same old.

 

[ForceStealer]

Can someone tell me what [ ν ] - εуλ means?

FFVII's term for the age in which years are being counted, like AD 2009. [ ν ] - εуλ...Just rolls off the tongue, don't it?

 

[Strangelove]

Is there some way you're supposed to pronounce that date thing? Because I've just been calling them "vee/you era" in my head

 

[Ryushikaze]

There is, but your puny mortal tongues can't pronounce them.

Just say 'Year of Steve' like everyone else.

 

[Cat Rage Room]

Is there some way you're supposed to pronounce that date thing? Because I've just been calling them "vee/you era" in my head

Yeah this. Someone answer this.

 

[Ryushikaze]

Yeah this. Someone answer this.

egl. No. Seriously.

[ ν ] - εуλ

epsilon, gamma, lambda

 

[LicoriceAllsorts]

That's all Greek to me

Ok, so they use the Greek alphabet to denote years. Is there any reason for this, or was it because they thought the bulk of players wouldn't know the Greek alphabet? Or it looked cool? Does egl means anything? Also, my original question is still not really answered. Or maybe.... there is no answer.

 

[Strangelove]

Did they take that from something, or were they pulling random Greek letters out of one book and random names out of the Kabbalah?

 

[Landarma]

Can someone tell me what [ ν ] - εуλ means?

It's just writing 'era' in silimar looking greek letters.

 

[ForceStealer]

So what's v then? The V Era?

...V?! Shit, it comes back to the Jews again!

 

[Makoeyes987]

I have never played BC, but I got the dates from the summaries on this website and at DarkAngel's wonderful script translations. I have played Crisis Core. It's just that I'd always understood that Rufus had been under house arrest since the moment he was appointed VP, which is January 0001 (or in some versions 1991), and that the 'business trip' was a cover up. I think he was only about 16 at the time. According to the summaries on this website, Rufus is revealed as the traitor in August 0003 (1993), so he'd had three years of being VP and acting as a double agent before he is captured and arrested. After that he appears to be held by the Turks for about 4 years. I don't mind at all being wrong; it won't be the first time. And I am happy to accept that he really did just go on a business trip and then come back. But I am also prepared to believe that the left hand doesn't always know what the right hand is doing at Square Enix.

I just happen to think that BC is a pretty good story up until Veld gets captured by Scarlett and Zirconiade appears, by which point it begins to feel a bit same old.

They didn't put him under house arrest until they realized he was doing something wrong. Until then, he was just the vice president. So no, there's nothing wrong or contradictory there.