Dissidia Duodecim Final Fantasy
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The Twilight Mexican
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- TresDias
Well, that should make Dacon, Aaron, and everyone who's been dissatisfied with Terra's Dissidia characterization happy.
Terra goes out trying to protect Cosmos because that's the only way she could protect Vaan. I'm pleased with this.
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I'm curious as to why Kuja is doing what he's doing here. Zidane, at the least, seems to have memories of all the way up through the end of FFIX, at which point Kuja had repented and saved the lives of Zidane and his friends.
Did he at any point ever really consider helping Cosmos's side? Is he just that full of misapplied hate for Zidane?
At any rate, this is either going to be fuel for those who say that Dissidia portrays characters out-of-character, or validation for those who felt that Kuja's deathbed repentence in IX was out-of-character and badly written. Not sure which side of it I come down on with this one.
Did he at any point ever really consider helping Cosmos's side? Is he just that full of misapplied hate for Zidane?
At any rate, this is either going to be fuel for those who say that Dissidia portrays characters out-of-character, or validation for those who felt that Kuja's deathbed repentence in IX was out-of-character and badly written. Not sure which side of it I come down on with this one.
By the way, guys, I want to say a few things about Kain. On every site discussing this game across the Interweb it seems like, Kain is being labeled a moron for
killing his comrades to protect them, with arguments such as these being thrown around:
-"Reducing the numbers of his comrades means they're definitely going to lose -- and that's exactly what happens. Good job, Kain."
-"So, his plan was to save his comrades from the manikins by killing them this cycle so that they could be here in the next cycle -- where there are also going to be manikins?"
Keep in mind that the revelation about the cycles of the war was offered to him by Golbez -- who schemed with Cosmos to end the cycle. And to do that, they needed to use the crystals/manifestations of Cosmos, and for that they needed Cosmos's warriors -- so keeping them around was a necessity.
And since the villains' plot in the final cycle also required the crystals and the heroes (thanks to Golbez's trickery; the Emperor thought he was with them, not Cosmos), there was no need to fear the heroes getting blitzed by manikins again (this also means Exdeath is not a moron for not just using the same tactics again in 013 -- 'cause the villains weren't really trying to kill the heroes for most of the game).
So, Kain's actions were all just part of Golbez's plan -- which worked. So it was the smart thing to do after all.
So, really, there was nothing stupid about what Kain did. Just saying.
-"Reducing the numbers of his comrades means they're definitely going to lose -- and that's exactly what happens. Good job, Kain."
-"So, his plan was to save his comrades from the manikins by killing them this cycle so that they could be here in the next cycle -- where there are also going to be manikins?"
Keep in mind that the revelation about the cycles of the war was offered to him by Golbez -- who schemed with Cosmos to end the cycle. And to do that, they needed to use the crystals/manifestations of Cosmos, and for that they needed Cosmos's warriors -- so keeping them around was a necessity.
And since the villains' plot in the final cycle also required the crystals and the heroes (thanks to Golbez's trickery; the Emperor thought he was with them, not Cosmos), there was no need to fear the heroes getting blitzed by manikins again (this also means Exdeath is not a moron for not just using the same tactics again in 013 -- 'cause the villains weren't really trying to kill the heroes for most of the game).
So, Kain's actions were all just part of Golbez's plan -- which worked. So it was the smart thing to do after all.
So, really, there was nothing stupid about what Kain did. Just saying.
Splintered
unsavory tart
Yeah, there's a lot of Kain-rage on gamefaqs forums. Which is kinda expected because betrayal in stories always pisses people off.
But in reality, Kain was right. The manikin army did come, and it did devastate the heroes. And seeing as how the onslaught was still coming, probably would still have even if the rest of heroes fought back.
If they all stood and fought, the next cycle would have been devastating, too much loss.
So yeah, handled kinda poorly, but Kain wasn't in the wrong so to speak.
But in reality, Kain was right. The manikin army did come, and it did devastate the heroes. And seeing as how the onslaught was still coming, probably would still have even if the rest of heroes fought back.
If they all stood and fought, the next cycle would have been devastating, too much loss.
So yeah, handled kinda poorly, but Kain wasn't in the wrong so to speak.
SkyGrinderomnislash7IV
Pro Adventurer
So in other words, the main characters of FFIV were wholly responsible for stopping Chaos, and Warrior of Light is being an idiot by taking Kains word for it. Also, none of them thought to destroy the maniken maker thingy, and then commit mass suicide, since death is meaningless untill the last war, and taking their own/(eachothers) lives would ensure they all got revived.
Ryushikaze
Deus Admiral Parsimonious, PHD, DDS, MD, JD, OBE
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- Tim, Ryu
Now all is well...
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BTW if I wanted to be a dick I could translate nakama to partner
No, if you were a dick you'd leave it untranslated with an editor's note elsewhere on screen explaining why you left it untranslated.
The Manikin rush seemed to take them all out pretty quick. Their plan might be to Off each other during a lull, but the redoubled rush meant they couldn't.
Splintered
unsavory tart
I can see another "nakama" translation war on the horizon. 'Cause we totally need a One Piece-esque war on top of the ones we already have. BTW I judge people who try to make Dissidia into romantic evidence
OneWingedDemon
NOT AMUSED
LMAO! omg that exchange between Kefka/Seph/Cloud/Tifa is hilarious! Sephiroth sounds like a jilted lover. Oh noez, SHE is here. Fuckin new girl, imma cut her down, that'll get his attention.
Since it cuts to Cosmos right after Cloud's death, does that mean she hears him? What does the bitch say? "Err...about that Cloud.."
Since it cuts to Cosmos right after Cloud's death, does that mean she hears him? What does the bitch say? "Err...about that Cloud.."
It's not my fault SE is being so blatant with all these homoerotic exchanges between Seph & Cloud.
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Strifegirl
Lv. 25 Adventurer
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- Melichan
can anyone tell me who's been translating the cutscenes from the reports in D012? o.O
Roger
He/him
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- Minato
Strifegirl
Lv. 25 Adventurer
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- Melichan
lol xDDD I know, I've been reading her ir his journal but she only has like 4 reports translated o.o
Strifegirl
Lv. 25 Adventurer
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- Melichan
Eerie
Fire and Blood
It's not evidence, but I like my fanservice for my OTP XD
Strifegirl
Lv. 25 Adventurer
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- Melichan
lol xDD for what I've been reading o.o there are plenty of quotes from the Dissidia Charactares that makes ppl think that indeed there's a romantic evidence between them xDD but that's just fanservice ;3
I'm kinda interested in the fanservice between Cloud and Tifa thou *__*
I'm kinda interested in the fanservice between Cloud and Tifa thou *__*
Ryushikaze
Deus Admiral Parsimonious, PHD, DDS, MD, JD, OBE
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- Tim, Ryu
Yes, the Imitations are referred to as Manikins in the original Dissidia.
It's not evidence, but I like my fanservice for my OTP XDMy OTP was already canon anyway
It saves a lot of time and energy to have canon OTPs.
Or OT3s if you can swing it.
wubba bubba
master map folder
Stupid question and I'm sure it's been answered already, but when is the prologus being released in the US?
DrakeClawfang
The Wanderer of Time
You cheered at the ending of Crisis Core didn't you?
Max Payne
Banned
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- Leon S. Kennedy,Terry Bogard, The Dark Knight, Dacon, John Marston, Teal'c
You seriously comparing badly directed shit to more badly directed shit? You can have an emotional scene without delving into bad melodrama ffs.
DrakeClawfang
The Wanderer of Time
Well there you go then, that explains it. Of course one without a heart or soul will find no emotion in these things.
Ⓐaron
Factiō Rēpūblicāna dēlenda est.
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- The Man, V
That's more than a little bit uncalled for. Just because someone doesn't share the same taste as you doesn't mean they have no "heart or soul".
Shademp
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I think Dacon's deal is that he wants entertainment of higher quality. The Scorsese of video game achievements, so to say. He is entitled to his opinion and there is nothing wrong with demanding great storytelling.
The downside though is that you're almost always gonna be disappointed with video games and you're *always* gonna be disappointed with Square products. That is why my expectations are so low and I can't hate Crisis Core for the way it tells its story. It is of the quality I expect it to be.
The game works but yes it could have been better.
No disrespect intended. =)
The downside though is that you're almost always gonna be disappointed with video games and you're *always* gonna be disappointed with Square products. That is why my expectations are so low and I can't hate Crisis Core for the way it tells its story. It is of the quality I expect it to be.
The game works but yes it could have been better.
No disrespect intended. =)
Dashell
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