Does Sephiroth Deserve Redemption?

Does Sephiroth Deserve a Second Chance

  • Yes

    Votes: 3 16.7%
  • No

    Votes: 15 83.3%

  • Total voters
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Wiegraf

White Knight
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Thamauturge (IMDb and Gamefaqs), Haeralis, Haeralis the Brave, Wiegraf, and JudgeMagisterDelita
Do you think that Sephiroth deserves redemption for his attempting of genocidal crimes and murder? Well, he is suffering from madness when he did such bad things, but if he ever regained his senses do you think he would deserve redemption and forgiveness?

I dont think so because even if he regained his senses there would still be a big chance that he could go back to his old ways and try to annihalate existance. What do you all think?
 

Ⓐaron

Factiō Rēpūblicāna dēlenda est.
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The Man, V
No. It would be as retarded as giving John Cavil or Randall Flagg redemption, both from a trust perspective and a literary perspective.
Though admittedly, one Cavil, the one on Caprica in The Plan, did seem to repent his actions, but he seems to have gotten boxed since we never heard anything about him later in the series' chronology.
 
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Cat Rage Room

Great Old One
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Mog
No. Fuck him. I mean, I like the guy as a character, but in terms of forgiveness or a second chance, fuck him. Thankfully, he was written that way; he doesn't deserve redemption and he doesn't want it either.
 

Mariketsu

I Am the Darkness, I'm the Monster
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Razael
I'd have to disagree here. Yes, he did alot of terrible things, much are almost unspeakable, not to mention the lives he did take, but, in regards to the "what if" of getting his sanity back, I think, with time, he could be given a second chance. Something like this would be very touchy and highly tension-filled, but, perhaps with some work, it can be done. Alot of you may probably flack me for this xD, but I'm viewing this in a perspective of whether or not he could be blamed for his insanity, even if this is on a rather large scale. The negative aspect of the damage he did cause does obviously outweigh his redemption, but I still don't think it's impossible.

In Cloud's perspective, AC/C speaking, it seems to me he doesn't actually hate Sephiroth at this point, but moreso is just still angry at him as he still seems to show signs in AC/C of progressively moving beyond it step by step. Imho, I would think Cloud would have an inner conflict about it for some time, but may actually try to make the effort to give him a benefit of a doubt, depending on Seph's behaviors and clear intents. Personally, Cloud never really came off to me as someone who would hold a deep grudge and never let go of it, but that's me. Either way, it would still take him some time to slowly ease out of it.

Tifa on the other hand, actually seems to be the more hateful one and, with her type of personality, she'd likely hold her hatred very deep and may not let go of it, imho. As in Last Order (tho not entirely canonically correct) she clearly showed her deep hatred towards him in regards of his destruction of Nibelheim and moreso for her father. It seems apparent in some places of FFVII as well that this hatred remains to be deeply rooted, likely in AC/C as well. She would most likely respond rather negatively to his redemptive presence and may even openly show her disdain and coldness to him, though inside, she may likely still fear him, due to his strong presence itself.

The rest of Avalanche may respond towards negative means in this sense, mainly regarding Aerith's death and the destruction he left on the planet. As for Vincent, imho, he may actually remain indifferent on the matter, while still alert to his presence. The matter of Sephiroth's redemptive presence would possibly go deeper for him, but not for the same reasons, rather, because of the OWA's relation to Lucrecia. While the ex-Turk may have shown some disdain towards him, it may not be nearly as hostile for he did not seem to show any type of hatred to him in FFVII, but perhaps mainly for the matter of just being a threat in himself to the planet. Vincent would likely not expose his reasons but would, as I mentioned, probably remain indifferent.

Regardless, the matter of redemption would obviously be a very long and hard road to travel, likely meeting alot of negativity to his presence alone, but whether or not they would take into consideration his insanity at the time, would entirely be up to them. This is basically what I think on the matter.

~ SoS
 

Cat Rage Room

Great Old One
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Mog
Alot of you may probably flack me for this xD, but I'm viewing this in a perspective of whether or not he could be blamed for his insanity, even if this is on a rather large scale.

The thing is, he was written with, and this is confirmed by interviews and Ultimanias, I believe, to not want, deserve, or obtain redemption because he is completely in control of his actions and are accountable for them. He's not even really insane anymore, he's just a bad person. He doesn't deserve a second chance because he doesn't want it and he wouldn't take it, he's the type to stab you in the back, and the front for that matter, every single time.

A second chance implies that 'hey, maybe you'll turn over a new leaf this time'. Thing is, Sephiroth won't. Ever.
 

Mariketsu

I Am the Darkness, I'm the Monster
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Razael
MOG, I meant this as a sense of excluding what was written in interviews, ultimanias and such, moreso as a realistic type of matter. I put it in this perspective because The poster of the thread did state:

Well, he is suffering from madness when he did such bad things

So I took it more in a realistic tone. If you don't agree, that's fine, but I wanted to make that clear.

~ SoS
 

Cat Rage Room

Great Old One
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Mog
I suppose so, and I respect that, but what's written in ultimania and such is how he is. Even disregarding that, I'd have to say Aliste is incorrect; he's not 'suffering' from madness. Maybe that applies to Hojo or something, but not Sephiroth, He is 100% in control of what he does and 100% accountable for his actions.
 

Max Payne

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Leon S. Kennedy,Terry Bogard, The Dark Knight, Dacon, John Marston, Teal'c
Sephiroth went temporarily insane. That doesn't excuse the shit he did after he regained his faculties after regenerating, and gaining the knowledge of the planet.
 

Celes Chere

Banned
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Noctis
Well... if he pulled a Kuja and realized all that he had done... then yeah. I'm too nice about it, though. Because I felt bad for Kuja, and I'd feel bad for Sephiroth too, if that happened. Also, since Crisis Core showed us sane Sephy, I really miss his side that wasn't a total mother-obsessed-psychopath. I actually LIKED his character when it was normal. If only things had worked out differently... because I don't see Sephiroth as an amazing villian, or a badass, or anything like that. When he's evil, he's just selfish and retarded. His whole reason for turning evil in the first place is kind of random, and I just don't like it. I can't blame him for his mind snapping, as always I blame that douchebag Hojo (and I guess Genesis helped?). IF Sephiroth ever became normal again, I think he should be given a second chance. Otherwise, no, he should burn in hell, lol. I'm not as bad as say... Goku, who would beat up a villian until near death and then just let them go free to think about what they've done- only to come back a few episodes later trying to blow up the planet all over again. :monster:

Of course, this is just a WHAT IF. I know that as it presently stands, Sephiroth will never be sane. Mostly because he's dead, and because of all the official stuff out there. So no, he doesn't deserve a second chance when you look at the facts.

Edit: Then again, if Sephiroth did realize what he had done after turning sane, I bet he'd ask to be killed.
 

Max Payne

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Leon S. Kennedy,Terry Bogard, The Dark Knight, Dacon, John Marston, Teal'c
Kuja had a pretty good reason for going bonkers. Sephiroth did not imo
 

Ghost X

Moderator
I think he's innately evil, like, born evil. So cleansing him of his evil would kill him/make him no longer Sephiroth =P.
 

Cat Rage Room

Great Old One
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Mog
I think he's innately evil, like, born evil. So cleansing him of his evil would kill him/make him no longer Sephiroth =P.

Even then, I think considering him 'innately evil' absolves him of responsibility. It assumes he never had a choice in what he would become or what he did. Sure, he had a less than great lineage, but he always had a choice.
 

Max Payne

Banned
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Leon S. Kennedy,Terry Bogard, The Dark Knight, Dacon, John Marston, Teal'c
Sephiroth ascended beyond mere human limitations in knowledge, strength, and vitality. At that point he no longer has the crutch of insanity to fall back on.

Indeed, he evolved beyond his body, and bathed in the history of planet's people. There's no way he didn't know exactly what he was doing.
 

ForceStealer

Double Growth
When he's evil, he's just selfish and retarded.

He's selfish all right, but his mission kinda makes sense from his point of view. "This world sucks, and I could make a better one."
Kuja, meanwhile, is a spoiled little child throwing a temper tantrum. (That's not to say I don't like him.)
 

Ⓐaron

Factiō Rēpūblicāna dēlenda est.
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The Man, V
I found Sephiroth boring as well, but of course I haven't played Crisis Core.
 

Tennyo

Higher Further Faster
I'm torn on this issue. There's a part of me that wants to believe that anyone can find redemption, but another part of me that believes someone like Sephiroth not only doesn't deserve it but can never find it. :/
 

Tennyo

Higher Further Faster
CC had it's moments. It also has it's moments of non-awesomeness but it all balances out.

Ⓐaron;217022 said:
I found Sephiroth boring as well, but of course I haven't played Crisis Core.

He was kind of a cool guy before he decided he wanted to destroy the world. :monster:
 

looneymoon

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Rishi
Truly fascinating villains are ones I can identify with, and say well... if I was in that position I would probably do the same. Or, they can be the complete opposite in that they are so unpredictable you just can't wait to see what they'd do next. Seph sort of fell more into the second category during the original FF7 (mainly for killing off Aerith) but he sort of fell in a weird middle area for most of the time. He was too far for me to really "get" him, but was developed enough that I could rationalize his madness. I agree with those who said his reasons were pretty random.

In some ways I even find Kadaj more interesting than him but that would probably land me in some sort of trouble :monster:

I think with sufficient character development, I would be able to answer this question better. I don't think CC really delivered this. The way I've seen him, the guy's always been a little egotistical and probably would see no reason to even want redemption (esp after falling into the lifestream). At this point, the only thing I think may make him feel some sort of guilt for what he has done would be his friendship with Genesis. But even those emotional ties have been severed. Plus, even if he ever wanted it... I don't see how he could ever achieve it anyway.
 

Glaurung

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Mama Dragon
Sephiroth, as the man you knew in CC, died. Whatever good emotions he had inside him, he gave them away while drifting through the Lifestream, making rage, resentment and hatred the core of his very existence, that's why I can't see him in a canon story returning and asking for forgiveness. So, imo, it's not whether he deserves it or not, but if he really wants it or not, and the answer is no if we look at the canon.

But we still have fanficts :monster:
 
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