Dragon Ball Super

[Lord Noctis]

I was having a hard time getting this video embed properly, so here's a link. Its a trailer for the upcoming arc.

EDIT by X: ftfy

 

[Lord Noctis]

Well that was one hell of a shift in tone. This episode was pretty good, and I'm starting to feel really hyped for this arc.

 

[Ghost X]

Episode 47:

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In my view this Black Goku person is probably from another universe.

 

[Marcus]

Episode 47:

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In my view this Black Goku person is probably from another universe.

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from what I've heard on reddit and such, Black Goku comes from the newly recreated earth from universe 7 (Champas Universe IIRC) but I can't say for sure as again this is reddit rumors.

Haven't watched any of super yet, kinda waiting for the dub, even though I think I'll be waiting for a while As I like Sean Schemmel and Chris Sabbat.

 

[Lord Noctis]

Well, shit. I didn't think this show had what it took to make me tear up, but this episode fucking did it.

 

[Ghost X]

Up to episode 54 now. Seems to be a lot of filler in the last few episodes.

 

[The Twilight Mexican]

Another (very good) fan adaptation of "The History of Trunks," though it looks like this one is intended to be a web series rather than a one-off:

The acting also isn't half bad. The kid who plays Trunks is, well, a child actor -- but in the bit where he's angry at the end (in the preview for "next time"), he's actually pretty decent himself.

 

[hian]

New episode is out, and the subs will be out soon for those who need them - probably.

Anyways, as a long-time fan of Dragonball, this new season is really taking me back, and it's a real trip.

Zamasu/Black is taking villain-hood to new heights for DB.
I mean, as far as I know, he's the first real villain in the series who's not just fighting to conquer everything, or just kill shit to be the strongest ever or something like that.
He actually has a proper back-story and a philosophy that gives him pretty solid reasons to want to kill off all humanoids.

The humor from the original DB (pre-DBZ) is back in full-swing, and they actually managed to extend the universe (or rather make multiple ones) to extend the horizon for new enemies and power-levels.
It's still DB though, so nothing new under the soon nor in any way revolutionary as far as Shonen stories go - but it really reminded me why I loved DB as a kid, and why DB really is the father of all Shonen.

Can't wait to see Son-Goku and Vegeta duke it out with Super-Saiyan Black in the next episode. I really hope Vegeta smashes him to pieces for having killed future Bulma.

Also the Zenkaioh - Omni-King is the coolest thing ever. Love that he just wants to be friends with Goku because "reasons" and "boredom".

 

[Lord Noctis]

So, it turns out Black is a fucking beast.

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Like, this dude was already breaking even with SSB Vegeta, if not overpowering him with just his base form, never mind his ki sword. Even Goku didn't fare much better, and now that Zamasu is joining the fray this fight is starting to look a bit grim for our heroes.

Also, my leading theory on Black's identity is dead now. I had assumed that he was a result of future Zamasu fusing with future Goku in Otherworld, but they are clearly separate beings, so now I'm not exactly sure what to think.

This new arc really is getting better and better as it goes. Its funny, at one point all I wanted for Super was for it to just get up to par, and now its giving me what might very well be one of my favorite plot arcs in the franchise.

 

[Ghost X]

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I wonder if Omni-king is modelled after child-like behaviours that many criticise the Abrahamic god to have (including myself ). I'm sure the archetype exists in other religions too. Everyone seems scared shit of him, yet we haven't really seen anything too alarming yet (besides telling his two assistant/guard folks to "disappear" in a fairly aggressive way). Goku is bound to upset him. There's got to be a point to developing their relationship the way they have anyway.

I didn't quite catch / remember which character's death also kills the god of destruction. Can someone fill me in? . I think this will also be significant / dilemma-inducing, if it is any of the characters I'm thinking of.

 

[hian]

Also, my leading theory on Black's identity is dead now. I had assumed that he was a result of future Zamasu fusing with future Goku in Otherworld, but they are clearly separate beings, so now I'm not exactly sure what to think.

Not necessarily.

Future Trunks going back in time has created two split time-lines. After all Future Trunks future is already incongruent with current Goku's time-line.

It's possibly that Black is future Trunk's timeline's Zamasu using dead future Goku's body, and the other Zamasu is the one that Goku met in his time, who traveled into the future to work with future Zamasu/Black to defeat Goku and Vegeta.

If Trunks can meet himself by traveling through time, then so should Zamasu.

 

[Lord Noctis]

Also, my leading theory on Black's identity is dead now. I had assumed that he was a result of future Zamasu fusing with future Goku in Otherworld, but they are clearly separate beings, so now I'm not exactly sure what to think.

Not necessarily.

Future Trunks going back in time has created two split time-lines. After all Future Trunks future is already incongruent with current Goku's time-line.

It's possibly that Black is future Trunk's timeline's Zamasu using dead future Goku's body, and the other Zamasu is the one that Goku met in his time, who traveled into the future to work with future Zamasu/Black to defeat Goku and Vegeta.

If Trunks can meet himself by traveling through time, then so should Zamasu.

Its certainly a possibility, but I dunno. I don't get the feeling that thats the direction that this story is looking to take. Especially since I don't think that present Zamasu has jumped fully into villainy. He's close, but I don't think he's quite there yet.

 

[hian]

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Its certainly a possibility, but I dunno. I don't get the feeling that thats the direction that this story is looking to take. Especially since I don't think that present Zamasu has jumped fully into villainy. He's close, but I don't think he's quite there yet.

I think the latest episodes pretty much cemented Zamasu as already having gone overboard.

You also have to remember that, current Zamasu does not have to have gone full villain yet for this to work.

After all, in the future, past Zamasu will already have become a villain at some point, and he could go into the future using the ring at any point in time between current time, and future Trunks time.

The Zamasu showing up next to Black could literally by one of an almost infinite amount of Zamasuses(?) from the moment he turns into a villain, whenever that is, and the moment future Zamasu supposedly fuses with dead Goku.

 

[The Twilight Mexican]

I wasn't terribly interested in this new series's existence until they began the arc featuring Future Trunks. Loving the shit out of all of that.

 

[Ghost X]

Spoiler: Episode 57

I think the quality of episodes goes up and down . This was down .

 

[hian]

The animation quality fluctuates, but the story is swell as far as I'm concerned, if you're willing to ignore how fast and loose they're playing with the power-levels this time around.

I mean, Goku and Beerus were almost tearing the universe apart when they fought earlier on in the series, and now for some reason Goku is struggling with people who can't even destroy a planet without doing it building by building it would seem.
By the logic of the show Black and Zamasu of the future would have to be almost on level with Beerus himself, which seems ridiculous when you consider that Beerus is obviously (as is Goku) fighting on a completely different level earlier on in the series than what Goku and Vegeta is now for some whatever reason.

In fact, they're now not even fighting on the level they were when fighting Brolly.

 

[Lulcielid]

For all I care they can throw power-levels (this shit ruined the fandom) out of the window and do as they please.

As for Episode 57:

That. Was. Amazing. Just... everything about this episode was amazing. Shida's amazing cut, the revelation of Zamasu previously unknown abilities (regeneration), the use of soundtrack, to Yajirobe once again bailing out Goku... just everything. This episode was so action packed in the first half and the fight scenes themselves were awesome, but when Trunks used Vegeta's Final Flash, I nearly lost it

 

[Lord Noctis]

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Action wise this was one of the best episodes Super has had. Animation was good and fluid, and the fight choreography was really cool. It was really nice to see a tag-team battle going on, we don't get those very often in Dragonball.

My only complaint is to do with power levels. I can handle that Trunks is able to take part in the fight alongside Goku without getting utterly destroyed in an instant. He did catch Black off guard, and after that Zamasu was pretty clearly toying with him. Where it bothers me is that Trunks and Goku both get hit by the same attack, and take the same damage.

Obviously Trunks is incredibly powerful and badass, and possesses a great deal of skill. But at the same time his power should not be able to approach that of SSB. The whole point of the god forms is that its a level of power the saiyans couldn't normally reach, indeed, prior to meeting Beerus Goku didn't know such a level of power could exist at all. And we saw in Trunks' training fight with Vegeta that he is completely unable to match SSB in terms of raw power, yet here he seems to be no more strongly effected by Black's attack than Goku was.

I know that all sounds like I'm being really negative, but it really is a minor complaint. It just bothers me when power levels aren't consistent. The power levels the characters can attain is a major part of the way this series works, and is strongly woven into the plot.

But it is ultimately a minor complaint, the episode was still really good. It was nice to see Yajirobe and Mai finding ways to be genuinely useful despite not having the sort of insane powers as the rest of the cast, and Vegeta getting back up and saving Goku and Trunks was pretty awesome. Furthermore, Zamasu is really coming into his own as a villain.

Should be interesting to see what scheme present day Zamasu has in mind with the super dragon balls.

 

[The Twilight Mexican]

Not that this completely resolves the power levels issue, but I've recently seen it brought up that Saiyan hybrids have greater potential than the pure-blooded Saiyans like Goku and Vegeta. Though this was a point brought up a long time ago in "Dragon Ball Z" (remember how Gohan used to be stronger than Goku? ) and seemingly forgotten, Vegeta recently reiterated the point in "Dragon Ball Super" (episode 30) that Gohan's potential should be beyond both him and Goku -- it just had never been realized because Gohan stopped training.

Perhaps Trunks as a SS2 could believably be on par with a higher level SS Goku due to this?

 

[Lord Noctis]

My issue with Trunks isn't that he could achieve that level as well, but rather that him being at that level right now is inconsistent with what we've already seen in this arc.

For example, previously in this arc Trunks went against SS3 Goku and was stomped, and further stated that that level of strength was around the level Black had been using to pound him into the rough shape of a particularly sloppy pancake. Right away this disqualifies Trunks from being anywhere near the level of SSB, which should be far above any other form Goku and Vegeta possess.

Further reinforcing this is Trunks' brief match with Vegeta, which consisted mostly of Vegeta finding interesting ways to rearrange the structure of Trunks' face.

If we're talking potential, then I do think Trunks should be able to reach the same heights as Goku and Vegeta in time, and I would like to see that happen, but he shouldn't be at all near that level now.

 

[The Twilight Mexican]

So, who's still watching this? The latest episode is dope as fuck.

 

[Ghost X]

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I liked the instant transmission followed by the fist to the face . Not sure what Trunks' latest transformation is supposed to be though. I guess that information naturally comes in the next episode .

 

[Tetsujin]

I still haven't watched this

Also, if someone could rename the thread to Dragon Ball Super that'd be swell

 

[Cthulhu]

You're welcome

 

[Tetsujin]