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Having completed the game for a while now, I realized this is the best game I played on the last 10 years at least and the last truly outstanding one was Bloodborne; From Software is slowly cementing itself as my favorite company. The Shadow of the Erdtree hype is through the roof.

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Also, I was meaning to ask @X-SOLDIER...

Whom is the Scarlet Blossom right at the entrance of the Site of Grace leading to Malenia? The one where you find the Traveler's set?
It really is surprising just how much everything about the game has stuck with me in the same way. Like, I feel like I enjoy it DIFFERENTLY than the way in which I enjoy basically any other game I can think of.


I believe that the Scarlet Aeonia there is likely intended to be a bloom of one of Malenia's daughters. While we meet 5 of them (Millicent, Mary, Maureen, Amy, & Polyanna), that's not ever stated to be all the daughters of hers that there were. Additionally, Gowry seems to be familiar with this sort of rebirth process with her daughters, and so it's possible that the flower here belonged to a predecessor daughter to Millicent & the others. Millicent wears a version of the Traveller's set and the blooms form when one of the daughters' physical bodies falls and is reborn as one of the Valkyries – hence Malenia being naked in her Phase 2 aside from her prosthetics that are made of gold & interconnected into her body directly just like the Miquella's Needle that's inside her.

Insofar as I'm aware it doesn't correspond to any of the specific named Valkyries that we know of.

That being said, Melina does wear a version of this set with a green cloak, and there's an inherent relationship between the flowers & fire. The Erdtree Guardian Garb (Fullbloom) increases the HP recovery of the Flask of Crimson Tears but makes you far more susceptible to Fire damage, whereas Malenia's Great Rune reduces the HP recovery of the Flask of Crimson Tears and allows you to recover HP through siphoning life from others Bloodborne-style. With Melina no longer having a body and also being the Kindling Maiden who's meant to set fire to the Erdtree, it's HIGHLY probable that back when the lore encompassed "Miranda, the first maiden of the Flower Crucible" who is referred to in the Miranda's Prayer item that Melina uses to trigger the flower's falling light attack, this could have been intended to be her – especially since, unlike Millicent (whose armor set exists but like Miranda's Prayer isn't player obtainable), Melina doesn't have an explicit armor set in the game and the Traveller's Set is the closest thing.

At this point though, it feels fairly unlikely that this particular angle of the narrative will end up being followed any more than Asimi's removed questline or any of the other things that were intentionally not made available to the player, and Shadow of the Erdtree will likely recontextualize those story elements into a form that matches how the lore evolved – leaving it likely that this was just a previous Valkyrie whose name we don't know similar to how little we know about the fates of many of the Finger Maidens in the game.




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I did two playthroughs after it came out, first one trying to go in blind and not following any guides - fission mailed, ended up with the
LET CHAOS TAKE THE WORLD!11
ending, second one a fuck it, I'll cheese it doing magic because Comet Azure is OP and hillarious, but with that one went down Ranni's rabbithole and it was a great experience, :monster:.

Love how they were able to craft a "choose your own adventure" type of game without the choices being obvious choices like e.g. modern day interactive novel video games, and for the most part avoiding points of no return / you can no longer achieve this ending. The downside there is that you either need a video explaining things or a lot of red yarn to connect all the dots though, and there's A Lot of dots to connect.

Anyway I'll probably do a Faith build when the DLC lands, it seems faith builds get the more interesting and diverse spells, whereas glintstone magic mainly has a dozen variations of simple projectile spells, :monster:
Yeah I liked how the game didn't tell you what to do for divergent endings. There is joy in discovery.

I'd play it more if the PvP was more than L2 spam. I'm thinking of doing another run just for the sake of a condensed LP.

also holy shit sup yop. X-Soldier. good to see y'all again.
 

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Yeah I liked how the game didn't tell you what to do for divergent endings. There is joy in discovery.

I'd play it more if the PvP was more than L2 spam. I'm thinking of doing another run just for the sake of a condensed LP.

also holy shit sup yop. X-Soldier. good to see y'all again.

y halo thar, nice ta see you as well :mon:

I think that the reason PvP hasn't ever really been that intriguing to me in the Souls games (aside from vastly preferring PvE type games) is that it predicates itself around the community self-defining a sort of expected fair for duels like the Level 120/150 in Elden Ring which also has a tendency to bring along a lot of the tryhard elitism because it's about maximizing a very specific understanding of the game's combat interactions & attack reads, where the idea of using other tools like Summons & Magic are generally frowned upon – because they are ways to help players circumvent that part of the challenge.

That's why I think that emphasizing that Elden Ring is technically a Souls game, but you have a veritable cornucopia of tools to address those challenges in ways where they're not NEARLY as reliant upon that skill set as something like Bloodborne can make a huge difference in who is willing to approach that. Then this inevitably means that the exact same type of min-max-focused gamer types are going to discover that L2 spam is stupidly effective in countering the more reading-and-counter combat, and so PvP becomes less fun and thus the cycle of those types being even more opposed to those other game elements increases and the cycle continues.

I don't know how much the Colosseums and its restrictions can address things like that, as I think that it's just the fundamental difficulty in attempting to communicate what type of shared experience you want from an opponent – which requires trust, but expecting an opponent will deceive you is something that you HAVE to expect and thus it's very difficult to have that work out even when a lot of the community is SURPRISINGLY capable at creating those sorts of constraints external to the game's own tools.

A condensed LP run seems like a solid way to de-rust on the game, and it'd be fun ta hear about! :monster:



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Now my PVP/Farming marathon comes to a close... that alone added +100h of playtime.

Absolutely loved PVPing in Bloodborne and Dark Souls III and that didn't change here. Each invasion brings its own challenges and opportunities to explore, which makes it unpredictable and that's why its so engaging to me; even in the middle of L2 spam you can find your way to victory if you are focused enough, baiting invaders helps tremendously. High Poise is an absolute must here, so I had Bull Goat's Talisman all the time. Recorded a lot of invasions so I'll be sharing some of them soon.

I have an itch of building a STR/FTH character next, focusing on Crucible incantations, but that's for the DLC.

Luckily, by PVPing I also got tons of runes (with cooperators sometimes dropping 300k or 400k), and now I'm stocked and ready to craft the new DLC weapons as soon as I get them.

Last shot I took (Endgame spoiler):
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So, Shadow of the Erdtree was genuinely impressive.

The overlapping verticality feels a lot more like the more constrained Souls series level design, whilst maintaining the open world elements of the main game. The only things that I would consider flaws about that are first time experience where the upper Rauh Ruins & Jagged Peak don't have their own map fragments, and that the maps to both of those are contained in the lower regions (which you can't get to from the upper areas). This meant that I made it all the way to both Romina & Bayle the Dread totally blind and with a prolific amount of messages along the lines of, "Victory... but still no map." along the way to let me know I wasn't alone in the experience. That and that there were a few pathways into lower regions that are unexpectedly obtuse, as well as how there's a very arbitrary boundary around the outside of Shadow Keep that triggers the shattering of Miquella's Rune and changes a number of the NPC relationships just for exploring.

The rest went really smoothly, and I think that there were some extremely unique experiences like the Abyssal Woods being a deeply sinister and oppressive environment that reinforced a sense of fear & helplessness to the presence of the Madness. As expected there's still a lot of early thematic design here & there, lending itself towards a lot of the elements in the DLC being designed well in advance of the main game's completion, even if there were changes made along the way. Personally, I really liked the implementation of the story-driven NPC participation in some of the boss fights, as that kind of thing felt exceptionally satisfying in making it feel like a more deeply layered story that connects to you as a character, and set up for a lot more interesting relationships between everyone drawn to the Realm of Shadow.

I got through the DLC on my game that was completed and then circled back to do DLC+ to get all the things from the Boss Remembrances (I'm on NG+3 or 4 now in my playthrough). Even without Igon's absolutely iconic monologuing, Bayle is far and away my favourite fight. There're also a number of impressive vistas and locations that gave that same sense of wondrous exploration that the base game did, but with a feeling that was often strange and new. The use of the main theme harp leitmotif in the Shaman Village being isolated out from everything else still hits particularly poignantly to the way it tells bits & pieces of Marika's story.

While I have been gradually poking in and making my way through Bloodborne since as a way to chew on some more of the design themes and poke around at the overlapping visual design themes, the far more constrained nature of that game's layout is a lot more difficult for me to put time into, as it's very cognitively draining (especially in the Chalice Dungeons with their lack of background music), whereas Elden Ring is always exceptionally relaxing to explore for me since I can flex into or out of those more constrained environments into just a meandering exploration at basically any interval, which isn't possible when a setting is more fixed into a hub world and its intertwined levels.

If anything, I've found that I'm definitely the sort of player who'd vastly prefer if I had the option to just to be a god-mode-tourist for a lot of games these days, as I'm far less drawn to a potential challenge of the mechanics as I am drawn in by exploring the details of the environments.

Now my PVP/Farming marathon comes to a close... that alone added +100h of playtime.

Absolutely loved PVPing in Bloodborne and Dark Souls III and that didn't change here. Each invasion brings its own challenges and opportunities to explore, which makes it unpredictable and that's why its so engaging to me; even in the middle of L2 spam you can find your way to victory if you are focused enough, baiting invaders helps tremendously. High Poise is an absolute must here, so I had Bull Goat's Talisman all the time. Recorded a lot of invasions so I'll be sharing some of them soon.

I have an itch of building a STR/FTH character next, focusing on Crucible incantations, but that's for the DLC.

Luckily, by PVPing I also got tons of runes (with cooperators sometimes dropping 300k or 400k), and now I'm stocked and ready to craft the new DLC weapons as soon as I get them.

Last shot I took (Endgame spoiler):

I do dig the Dragon Halberd and Ice Lightning is still one of the most interesting and under-represented things in the game As a heavy armor look that's a good-lookin' kit. I'm rather curious if you found anything new in the DLC that you particularly were drawn to. The Winged Serpent Helm is has the coolest look as a knight helm, and for Poise, the Greaves of Solitude have become the defacto ones I moved to from the Fire Prelate Greaves, as they don't get as enormous if I'm swapping the chest armor I'm using. While there're a boatload of cool weapons, I really like wandering whilst two-handing Rellana's Twinblades and the Beast-Repellant Torch on my back, as it's got a neat attack string, really cool and diverse L2 abilities, as well as meaning that Wolves will leave you be which fits the Carian vibe. That being said – Bolt of Gransax is still absurdly god-tier for the PvE stuff.

I am quite curious in more perspectives on things from the PvP & more combat-focused side of things.



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So, Shadow of the Erdtree was genuinely impressive.

The overlapping verticality feels a lot more like the more constrained Souls series level design, whilst maintaining the open world elements of the main game. The only things that I would consider flaws about that are first time experience where the upper Rauh Ruins & Jagged Peak don't have their own map fragments, and that the maps to both of those are contained in the lower regions (which you can't get to from the upper areas). This meant that I made it all the way to both Romina & Bayle the Dread totally blind and with a prolific amount of messages along the lines of, "Victory... but still no map." along the way to let me know I wasn't alone in the experience. That and that there were a few pathways into lower regions that are unexpectedly obtuse, as well as how there's a very arbitrary boundary around the outside of Shadow Keep that triggers the shattering of Miquella's Rune and changes a number of the NPC relationships just for exploring.

The rest went really smoothly, and I think that there were some extremely unique experiences like the Abyssal Woods being a deeply sinister and oppressive environment that reinforced a sense of fear & helplessness to the presence of the Madness. As expected there's still a lot of early thematic design here & there, lending itself towards a lot of the elements in the DLC being designed well in advance of the main game's completion, even if there were changes made along the way. Personally, I really liked the implementation of the story-driven NPC participation in some of the boss fights, as that kind of thing felt exceptionally satisfying in making it feel like a more deeply layered story that connects to you as a character, and set up for a lot more interesting relationships between everyone drawn to the Realm of Shadow.

I got through the DLC on my game that was completed and then circled back to do DLC+ to get all the things from the Boss Remembrances (I'm on NG+3 or 4 now in my playthrough). Even without Igon's absolutely iconic monologuing, Bayle is far and away my favourite fight. There're also a number of impressive vistas and locations that gave that same sense of wondrous exploration that the base game did, but with a feeling that was often strange and new. The use of the main theme harp leitmotif in the Shaman Village being isolated out from everything else still hits particularly poignantly to the way it tells bits & pieces of Marika's story.

While I have been gradually poking in and making my way through Bloodborne since as a way to chew on some more of the design themes and poke around at the overlapping visual design themes, the far more constrained nature of that game's layout is a lot more difficult for me to put time into, as it's very cognitively draining (especially in the Chalice Dungeons with their lack of background music), whereas Elden Ring is always exceptionally relaxing to explore for me since I can flex into or out of those more constrained environments into just a meandering exploration at basically any interval, which isn't possible when a setting is more fixed into a hub world and its intertwined levels.

If anything, I've found that I'm definitely the sort of player who'd vastly prefer if I had the option to just to be a god-mode-tourist for a lot of games these days, as I'm far less drawn to a potential challenge of the mechanics as I am drawn in by exploring the details of the environments.



I do dig the Dragon Halberd and Ice Lightning is still one of the most interesting and under-represented things in the game As a heavy armor look that's a good-lookin' kit. I'm rather curious if you found anything new in the DLC that you particularly were drawn to. The Winged Serpent Helm is has the coolest look as a knight helm, and for Poise, the Greaves of Solitude have become the defacto ones I moved to from the Fire Prelate Greaves, as they don't get as enormous if I'm swapping the chest armor I'm using. While there're a boatload of cool weapons, I really like wandering whilst two-handing Rellana's Twinblades and the Beast-Repellant Torch on my back, as it's got a neat attack string, really cool and diverse L2 abilities, as well as meaning that Wolves will leave you be which fits the Carian vibe. That being said – Bolt of Gransax is still absurdly god-tier for the PvE stuff.

I am quite curious in more perspectives on things from the PvP & more combat-focused side of things.



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I consumed (or was consumed by) the Shadow of the Erdtree for this entire month; can't wait to share my thoughts on it, but just like you I was completely blown away by the quality and amount of content. +100 hours into it (at least 6h of those getting punched by the final boss 2nd phase).

Calling it a DLC is a disservice, it's a glorified expansion (a full game for half the price), which delivers the best Elden Ring experience at times.
 
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I consumed (or was consumed by) the Shadow of the Erdtree for this entire month; can't wait to share my thoughts on it, but just like you I was completely blown away by the quality and amount of content. +100 hours into it (at least 6h of those getting punched by the final boss 2nd phase).

Calling it a DLC is a disservice, it's a glorified expansion (a full game for half the price), which delivers the best Elden Ring experience at times.
Yeah, the Phase 2 of the final boss was an especially brutal one that's wholly deserving as being the game's ultimate challenge. I think my favourite thing about that boss fights is that the boss's "launching a barrage at you from the sky" attack has a narrow window where you can use the Rennala's Full Moon or Ranni's Dark Moon sorcery as a full counter because the projectiles are all magical in nature, so it'll pull them in, nullify them, and then hit to deal the magic vulnerability status. Discovering that in my initial attempts was monumentally satisfying, and just spoiler tagging a clip of it from one of my attempts in my first time through.


One of the interesting things that I've been wondering about that isn't ever clarified, but always feels incredibly plausible is how Miquella's core motivations are heavily shaped into a sort of child-like naïve perspective that's because of the power that he commands. With the ability to effortlessly turn anyone's heart to his side the way that the Bewitching Branches do to enemies in the base game, he doesn't really seem to understand the difference between achieving peace vs. facilitating the submission of someone else's desires with their love of him.

What's interesting about this is that it DOES stop conflict between them because they always prioritize his desires above their own, but it's existentially terrifying to look back on once those affected have overcome that influence and are able to prioritize their individual wants again, especially because it presents the ability to cast moral judgement on the actions from someone who doesn't implicitly condone them – which is something that Miquella doesn't really seem to understand as he's always held the power to just... win – much in the same way that the Two Fingers or Greater Will asserts itself over the Elden Lord.

A loss of free will is peace, but only superficially – and the only people who could notice the difference no longer have the agency to. It's why I think that all of the NPCs have really interesting reactions to being faced with both enforced alignment, but also the loss of that protection.



There's a bunch of noteworthy BERSERK & Bloodborne parallels that dig into the core of the moral framework that I find deeply fascinating. In case you're interested in an... exceptionally overly sizeable chunk of tl;dr along with some relevant Japanese historical information and other things that interconnect into all that as a sort of snapshot of the web of thematic analysis that I've been mulling over lately and how that lives in my brain, I figured I'd just give a go at laying a bunch of this into a text form for once.

One of the things in BERSERK that makes the Band of the Hawk's fate so difficult is that they all chose to join and collectively try to help Griffith achieve his dream of establishing his own kingdom. They prioritized the future that he envisioned, and while they were all drawn in by his charisma, Griffith carried the weight of knowing that every death was the loss of the ambitions of someone under his command, which drove him to be a superior commander.

The only times he didn't maintain objectivity on that dream was when Guts was at risk, and the only one who departed from that shared collective ambition for Griffith's dream to prioritize his own was also Guts – which ultimately leads to their downfall & the torture that places Griffith in the position where he's forced to give up that dream forever, and make all the countless deaths of his comrades along the way meaningless, or sacrifice all of them for the power to achieve the power that they were all pledged to giving their lives for... –and so he chooses power and prioritizes that dream over Guts' safety and in doing so becomes both a god-like saviour & a terrifying monster all entangled together, where that same level of love that has always drawn others to his side is even more magnified... but he ALWAYS still offers choice, even if he only offers it once because that decision is an ultimatum the same way it was when Guts chose to leave by force in a way that makes reconciliation seemingly impossible.

It's why Rickert slaps Griffith & refuses to stay in Falconia because of the sacrifice of the Hawks caught up in the Eclipse, but also why he doesn't allow any of the countless loyal demonic subjects to harm Rickert for that choice. Even though Rickert is no longer subject to his protection in the city the moment he refuses it, a choice between protection & death is compulsion, so he's maintaining the space for that choice to be made openly.

By that metric in Shadow of the Erdtree, it's MUCH easier to see that Miquella is naïve to how peoples' hearts work free of his compulsion, which explains why he carelessly cast away his own love with St. Trina, and doesn't recognize the existential agony that will have to accompany being given the power of a god. To quote her, "Make Miquella stop. Don't turn the poor thing into a god. Godhood would be Miquella's prison. A caged divinity, is beyond saving. You must kill Miquella. Grant him forgiveness." because he would be trapped needing to absolutely oppose anyone who didn't love him... or be left knowing that because he wasn't allowing anyone to make that choice – the reality would be that he was actually the only individual will that still existed in the entire world, and what he'd done was no different than erasing everyone other than himself.

This is actually the core struggle that the Great Ones face in Bloodborne, because everything that exists in their dreams is ultimately just themselves. If the Great Ones have a child, either the child's will survives and they are orphaned and in existential anguish, or the parent is left grieving the stillbirth of their offspring in that same lonely, isolated anguish. That's why the Moon Presence chooses Gehrman as its surrogate, and why he's in anguish within the dream – he's all alone and his only companionship is with a lifeless doll who's only made present in his thoughts, which is identical to the Great Ones' plight.

As a key exploration of the existential trauma of the loss of individual will when one becomes a supreme ruler in BERSERK was heavily informed by Marie Antoinette's struggles depicted in the Rose of Versailles, and Bloodborne followed the same structure set up in Brotherhood of the Wolf, those three endings are important to look at in how they frame choices around that fate around the French Revolution (especially things like the Cult of the Supreme Being and the invention or ascension to a god through reason and eschewing of Christ-like saviour figures). The "Yharnam Sunrise" is essentially the death of Robespierre – the one responsible for the revolution and the downfall of the system is ultimately beheaded, while the "Honoring Wishes" is freeing those in power trapped by that fate by beheading them and becoming the surrogate to endure that pain in their stead, while "Childhood's Beginning" is becoming a Great One and embodying existence as your own dream (in reference to the scifi book Childhood's End). There isn't a solution here – they're merely different forms of the same cage.

In BERSERK & Elden Ring, that's the reason that both Griffith & Miquella build off of the "Resurrected Christ" parallels, with Elden Ring having the Greater Will as an externalized ultimate deity that shapes the world according to its design of Order. Those function as a way to show that the shining eternal kingdom of a true ruler god like both King Arthur & Christ represent in Western Fantasy is itself a contradiction that cannot deliver what it offers without fundamentally erasing free will, or appearing to be a terrifyingly all-powerful apocalyptic demon to any who refuse the choice to accept that only path to salvation. Japan experienced this in multiple forms underneath the various forced unifications under the Japanese Empire – most notably when Buddhism arrived and repressed & forcibly syncretized Shinto practices as a means to have unification with less bloodshed, which lead to State Shinto forming Imperial Japan where Buddhism & Christianity were oppressed, and the events of WWII leading to Japan's downfall & reformation under America.

While the Biblical Revelation apocalypse story used Babylon as a way to comment on at-the-time contemporary Imperial Rome, that symbolism is also key when examining the Crusades as religious fanaticism driven to exterminate non-believers in an identical way to how there is a ruthless loyalty with the Needle Knights that's hiding a truth of being unbelievably bloody & totalitarian towards any who MIGHT betray them. The Arthurian influences with the Roundtable Hold & gathering of knights under Leda match this, but there's another layer to it. A lot of post-WWII Japanese media has similarly used Tokyo & Babylon parallels that are HEAVILY present in Shadow of the Erdtree, but in particular with regard to the Hornsent as the people of the Tower – which was built to literally reach heaven like the Tower of Babel was, but in this context to serve as a Divine Gateway, ultimately leading to a horrible downfall under the new saviour deity – Marika the Eternal.

As Leda states, "Long ago, Queen Marika commanded Sir Messmer to purge the tower folk. A cleansing by fire. It’s no wonder the hornsent holds the Erdtree in contempt. That aside, man is by nature a creature of conquest. And in this regard, the tower folk are no different. They were never saints. They just happened to be on the losing side of a war. But it’s still a wretched shame." emphasizing very heavily why everything in the Realm of Shadow reflect the inconvenient pains & warcrimes that were hidden away post-WWII. Most notably to me are the mass graves and the hornsent all being blackened with the prolific presence of the Furnace Golems with the burning vortices of raining fire who can only be defeated by forcing their flame to burn itself out all as overt parallels to the firebombing of Tokyo during Operation MEETINGHOUSE (warning as the details are genuinely haunting).

This is why Marika exists in the base game as a permanent "Crucified Christ" who isn't resurrected, and that the new Elden Lord has to be one of the Tarnished who looks upon a land that cast out and rejected it, rather than allowing the eternal kingdom to feed itself from within. It's why Miquella's Rule will never escape the Land of Shadow, and acquiescing to that post-self-sacrifice Christ figure to take over the Golden Order is just an immediate game over of "Heart Stolen" during that boss fight.

While the player can look at the inner theological justifications to rebuilding the Golden Order in the forms of the various Mending Runes to resurrect Marika... those are ultimately just following that same path to permanent division. That's what the Genpei War solidified in Japanese history between the victorious Minamoto clan & the ousted Taira clan – and is why those reflections are central to Godwyn as a perfect heir whose untimely death & establishment of undeath are explored by the Golden Order's Hunters & Those Who Live in Death are the key examinations of the Mending Runes. While Malekith will initially admonish the Tarnished upon defeat by stating, "Witless Tarnished... Why covet Destined Death? To kill what?" collecting sufficient Deathroot for him as Gurranq leads to a more informed admission as Marika's Shadow that stands against doing that, "Forgive me, Marika... The Golden Order... cannot be restored."

Essentially it's rejecting that existential framework of an eternally perfect kingdom of supreme order as being a paradise, and only becoming a cage that necessitates a system of oppression or control that is ultimately self-defeating as the Runes are scars and, "These seals represent the lifelong duty of those chosen by the gods." which as they grow deeper, "Solemn duty weighs upon the one beholden; not unlike a gnawing curse from which there is no deliverance." very aptly describing the schism between Radagon & Marika trying to fracture & repair the Elden Ring, made even more poignant in how Fia's Mending Rune is literally her offspring with Godwyn. It's a "child" that's the embodiment of a concept that will establish a whole system of rule over everything... but the Runes themselves are a flawed power.

"Miquella and Malenia are both the children of a single god. As such they are both Empyreans, but suffered afflictions from birth. One was cursed with eternal childhood, and the other harbored rot within." As such, Miquella as a "Resurrected Christ" follows that same theme as he's directly born of a singular divinity reflecting the conception offspring of the Great Ones in Bloodborne ultimately as the possession of a surrogate or the inadvertent reproduction of themselves. Miquella's themes are all interconnected into dreams and through St. Trina it's emphasizing the same "Awaken Above Ground" concepts from Bloodborne of dreams & death being indistinguishable for an Eternal being. Unlike the other Demigods who all have a mortal parent from whom they derive their individual traits, the Empyreans are just a singular divinity, and thus they're assigned Shadows to control them in the form of wolves, which is why it's worth looking at how those interconnections arose.

The Elden Ring itself is the amalgamate of all vast combination of various Great Runes combined together into the Greater Will's Golden Order, and this follows the same pattern with Bloodborne's Caryll Runes as symbols that represent the concept of words from the Great Ones. Thus, it's no surprise that the Rune for Formless Oedon which represents: "The Great One Oedon, lacking form, exists only in voice, and is symbolised by this rune. Those who memorize it enjoy a larger supply of Quicksilver Bullets. Human or no, the oozing blood is a medium of the highest grade, and the essence of the formless Great One, Oedon. Both Oedon, and his inadvertent worshippers, surreptitiously seek the precious blood." and that Formless Oedon's Rune literally contains Marika's Rune within it when the Gold reveals itself in its completely realized form. Her history with Marika's Mischief allowing you to physically transform, and the Mimic Tears allowing rebirth connect to her own representation as being both herself and Radagon and the statue that captures their essence in the capital of Leyndell also reflects this.

The themes with this Rune being blood that eventually reveals gold within it also reflects what's recounted in the story of the Beginning in Shadow of the Erdtree when it comes to how the Great Ones create progeny with particular chosen: The seduction & the betrayal. It was an affair from which Gold arose, and so too was Shadow Born. Especially given that when Marika's crucified within the Erdtree, the lower portion of her rune is detached, and is crimson rather than gold, and speared through her like the Lance of Longinus. Formless Oedon's Rune also is about Blood, and whilst Morgott is the steward of the Throne in the absence of Queen Marika the Eternal... his twin Brother Mohg worships the Formless Mother, who is symbolized by three upwards gashes – the non-gold portion of the Formless Oedon Caryll Rune. Additionally, in the 1.0 version of Elden Ring the Nightmaiden & Swordstress Puppets that summons those Silver Tear beings of the Eternal City used to just state that it "summons the spirit of a descendant of Marika."

This symbolism and theme was clearly conceived during development in The Old Hunters, as the Nightmare Grand Cathedral is the resting place of Laurence, the First Vicar is before a statue of a headless woman standing in front of a tree and pouring something into his open mouth... which is identical to the Erdtree's Favor talisman depicting Queen Marika (and is also the only time that her longer braid is shown over her left shoulder). Moreso than that is the Skull of Laurence, "first vicar of the Healing Church. In reality he became the first cleric beast, and his human skull only exists within the Nightmare. The skull is a symbol of Laurence's past, and what he failed to protect. He is destined to seek his skull, but even if he found it, it could never restore his memories." Thus, Gurranq the Beast Clergyman also being Maliketh the Black Blade who failed to protect the Rune of Destined Death from being stolen, and being the Shadow used by the Two Fingers to control Queen Marika is incredibly overt as a shared parallel, but that extends further.

Bloodborne's Cleric Beasts are heavily identified by their horns which hold a key theme in Shadow of the Erdtree, as well as the Ancestral Worshippers in the base game. Whereas in Elden Ring, the Serpent consumes beings physically (HP restoration on kill), the Ancestral Spirits' horns allow them to be reborn through others' spirits (FP restoration on kill), and the boss fight is all about them regenerating while draining the spiritual animals around them and gaining those same traits. Horns symbolize that externalized possession to resurrect the dead, and the Curseblades' weapons were all about bloodletting, Long ago, this was employed by the ascetics who strove to become tutelary deities as a ritualistic object in their self-flagellating dances. To further emphasize this their masks state, "A mask affixed with a crown of tangled horns, worn by those who would invoke divinity. Divine invocation heightens the dexterity of the wearer, but causes the blessing of the Erdtree to become nauseating, reducing the restorative effect of drinking from a flask of sacred tears. Focus is also troubled by wearing this mask." Focus protects against two things – Sleep & Madness... the two key features of the Hunter's Nightmare full of blood & beasts, and the presence of Divine horns also diminishes the effectiveness of the restoration from the Erdtree's Favor which the Marika statue is pouring out into Laurence's mouth.

So, when it comes to the concepts here in the juxtaposition between the Tree Maiden's Blessing & the Horned Divine Beast, it's important to look at how Bloodborne has two transformative Oath Runes – both of which are rather meta in their depiction. While the Caryll Rune "Beast" (獣) depicts a Facehugger that is still active, whereas the Oath Rune "Embrace" (抱擁) shows it curled up the way the they look when they've hugged/embraced a victim with the tail curled, and also how they appear after they've implanted the Chestburster into the host – hence the transformative nature along with the Beast Claw weapon which turns you into the bestial werewolf-like beast. The other is the "Milkweed" (苗床) which are just stylistic representation of H.P. Lovecraft's initials. However, this last one has a number of overlaps to Elden Ring that are a bit more obscured by untranslatable connections, and easier to see by looking at both languages.

The English description, "A Caryll Rune envisioned by Adeline, patient of the Research Hall. A transcription of the inhumane, sticky whispers that reveal the nature of a celestial attendant. Those who take this oath become a lumenwood that peers towards the sky, feeding phantasms in its luscious bed. Phantasms guide us, and lead to further discoveries." – which hints at rather pivotal overlaps that are delivered but aren't as obvious unless you also know that the term translated as "Lumenwood" (星輪) in Japanese is built of two kanji which literally mean "Star" (星) & "Ring" (輪), and connects to a plant of some kind as it's (星輪の幹) becoming the trunk/stem of the Star-Ring. And the Elden Stars incantation states, "It is said that long ago, the Greater Will sent a golden STAR bearing a BEAST into the Lands Between, which would later become the Elden RING."

It's also not just that... the description explicitly that this Lumenwood "peers into the sky" (空仰ぐ), and there is a very particular type of plant that is known for doing that – a Sunflower, which are found throughout the Lands Between, but explicitly the Scadutree Avatar – is a continually resurrecting Sunflower with literal eyes, whose remembrance states that, "The Scadutree is the shadow of the Erdtree." So, the thematic links to both the Beast & Lumenwood are present, but there's still more. The Milkweed name "苗床" is "Seedbed" which is the identical term used for Dung-Eater's questline in Elden Ring for spreading his Seedbed Curse, that infects everyone in every generation with Omen Horns in his own Mending Rune seeking to undo a taboo by passing it to everyone, which overlooks the danger of why that's a taboo in the first place. The Horns not only diminish the power of the Erdtree's healing, but it is a painful and horrid physical affliction... which spreads through Marika's offspring as easily as any other, and likely even moreso given her bloodline's affinity for binding with others, and all of the Golden Order suffering from that lineage and this schism.

Whilst the Tower practiced worship of Divinity through possession, like the Tower's Divine Beast possessing the Sculpted Keepers... Marika seems to have literally BECOME the divinity as she is a god from that point in some capacity. We know from Bonny Village items like the Tooth Whip that the shaman/miko of Marika's village has flesh that bonded uniquely to other beings. This is why they were butchered and placed into Jars in order to purify the criminals they were intertwined with, and we even see their bodies being merged with trees, and the golden trees in Enir-Ilim also have humanoid forms fully embedded within them. It's also why Marika is perfect for attempting to give birth to the child of a god, but like with Bloodborne, could just as easily become the god herself. The Elden Ring is literally housed inside her body, using it like a shell. It's only once Radagon breaks that the roles are reversed and the Elden Beast takes form and wields their fused bodies as the Sacred Relic Sword. Their nature entangles the Golden Order's eternal nature into any and every form they interconnect with, allowing for Godrick's Grafting, just as much as Rykard's fusion with the Serpent-God, and all the other horrors that grow from and into the children of the Erdtree.

Bloodborne's Fishing Hamlet Priest states, "Lay the curse of blood upon them, and their children, and their children's children, for evermore. Each wretched birth will plunge each child into a lifetime of misery. Mercy, for the poor, wizened child...Let the pungence of Kos cling, like a mother's devotion..." but with that Milkweed Oath Rune equipped he adds, "Curse here, curse there. A curse for he, and she, why care. A bottomless curse, a bottomless sea, source of all greatness, all things that be. Listen for the baneful chants. Weep with them, as one in trance. And weep with us, oh, weep with us... Listen for the baneful chants. A call to the bloodless, wherever they be. A call to the bloodless, wherever they be. Fix your ears, to hear our call." and he'll give you an Accursed Brew – a skull which has been forcibly searched for eyes... identical to the means of acquiring Runes in Elden Ring come from the eyes of the deceased, often seen in skulls haplessly strewn about landscape in both the Lands Between & the Realm of Shadow. Showing that likely none of the Mending Runes for the Golden Order are a solution, just spreading a different curse, similar to the addiction to power from consuming Draconic Hearts, or Blood-Drunk Hunters.

Dung Eater's Seedbed Curse even has an associated transformation in Shadow of the Erdtree in the form of the Lamenter's Mask – a transformation that even the people of the Tower who worshipped the divine appearance of horns shunned and locked away, "This transformation tallies with the state of a denizen of paradise, but the people of the tower denied and hid it from the world. In their foolishness, they viewed true bliss with deep fear." and the Lamenter boss will mass clone itself while hiding. Any clone that survives when the Lamenter reappears adds a curse on you. If 7 curses are applied, you will instantly die. To stop the spread of a curse, you can't just go after the source – you have to destroy the spread as well... which is critical to understand what the Subterranean Shunning-Ground below Leyndell is, as the Frenzied Flame cannot be safely interacted with.

That madness spreads & annihilates, and while the Merchants' plight is a terrible one, that type of quarantine is necessary. The issue is that Runes in and of themselves are their own form of curse that creates that pain. The Rune Arc shape of Marika's crucifixion having Golden Arc Incantations of the Tower, "The arc resembles the barb, a known symbol of coercive questioning." just like those on Jori the Inquisitor's Barbed Spear-Staff, and the Greatsword of Damnation used to execute Midra who is contained and forced to endure that suffering past his breaking point... exactly. like. Marika. That type of eternal power cannot exist safely... but neither can its inverse. The madness of the Lord of Chaos that erases the lines that distinguish individuals is like erasing the separation of puppet & puppeteer. Thus why as soon as the Three Fingers touches you, it IS you... and that Annihilation is driven by the same Frenzied madness that the Great Ones suffer in Bloodborne, from having a non-dual relationship to their own offspring like Arianna & her child... except that a Lord of Frenzied Flame will eradicate the whole of existence in its entirety.

It is a genuine anti-Christ figure masquerading as a saviour, representing a perfect reflection of eternity as utter non-existence, fueled by ascribing purpose to one's own inescapable suffering. It's no coincidence that Shabriri's iconography and those themes heavily parallel Shoko Asahara & Aum Shinrikyo who were responsible for the Tokyo Sarin Gas terrorist attacks, which was catalyzed by an inversion of Japanese nationalism. Thus it's no surprise that he possesses Yura's body who died failing in his attempt to save the legacy of someone he loved, and that pain is exactly how that type of grudge & curse form. Tolerating that type of apocalyptic intolerance only allows the influence and that intolerance to grow, and this is that same type of ideological curse that emerges from those where suffering breeds a hatred that feels justified... but accomplishes nothing but fueling greater hatred in any action that it takes. That's why the Leyndell soldiers near Volcano Manor have descended into that madness from the ceaseless fighting and are cannibalizing one another. It is a flame that feeds on burning itself as fuel, which is why you have to sacrifice yourself as kindling for it, and how it preys upon the noble & vulnerable looking to save their beloved maidens from harm, only to corrupt potential Elden Lords like Vyke into madness.

This danger is why this takes the properties of the Lovecraftian King in Yellow & Yellow Sign with the Lord of Chaos, where ANY form of exposure is total risk. Absolute quarantine is the only way to deal with it, and thus the only reversal is utilizing Miquella's Needle to implant his power of absolute coercion into your physical form to align the Outer God's will to your specific body by embedding the needle into your flesh at a location that is removed from localized space-time. The only other option is that intolerance of intolerance is reflected... which just gets the atrocities committed in the Lands of Shadow being justified by the force with enough power to portray the thing that they hate as a threat, because a practice that may have once been noble becomes conflated with torture & oppression with the imbalance of the power dynamic is eternally enshrined.

As perverse & terrible as the butchering that was done to Marika's people was... it DID actually turn the once-criminal individuals stuffed into living jars into noble warriors who were granted a hidden village of their own to live at peace amongst flowers, and to be tended to by Potentates in a strange fusion of a reconciliation between Bonny Village & the Shaman Village... only to once again be hunted & slaughtered for material from their bodies to be used, this time by the Perfumers while the soft kindness of the Potentates meant that they were vulnerable.

This is what finally brings everything to the final details, which is how those dynamics all come together to portray the version of an opposite to BOTH a Christ figure AND an Anti-Christ figure... which is to embrace mortality and allow Marika the Eternal to die, but also allow yourself to meet Destined Death. Return the experience of joy & pain to be something shared collectively rather than forced onto others, because it is impermanent. In essence reject the idea of the entire system of Eternal kingdoms outright.

This is what emphasizes the elements about Ranni's Age of Stars in juxtaposition to that entire dynamic, as well as in a foil to Miquella's own vision. Ranni is also an Empyrean. She eschews her Great Rune, abandons her flesh, and gives up her claim to the throne. Those all mirror the path Miquella takes... but there's a key difference. Ranni's alliances are all made by CHOICE, not through compulsion. You join her because you choose to, not because she forces you to. When you pledge to her cause and the deed is done, she releases you from service, which is also why she tells you to tell Iji & Blaidd that she loves them, as their nature to her will compel them to follow her without true agency of choice. Blaidd manages to resist enough to never betray her from that attachment, but still goes insane and you have to kill him for the same reason that you killed Darriwill & Radahn – an eternity imprisoned as a monster isn't a just end to someone you cared for. A noble, destined death is what the Radahn festival was all about and why Miquella's machinations are the antithesis of that... because he's just a child who always gets whatever he wants and believes it's always for the best.

When Miquella abandoned St. Trina, he removed the love and companionship that cared and understood what protection he needed. He manipulated Malenia to kill Radahn for him, and Radahn held the stars themselves in place to avoid becoming his consort. He manipulated Mohg to take him from the Haligtree and gave him visions of a new dynasty, and left his physical vessel such that Mohg could never revive him as a god and bring about the Mohgwyn Dynasty. He then used Mohg's corpse as a vessel to attach Radahn's soul to after he'd been killed before he became a total mindless beast, because he needed a Lord as a vessel to bind himself to in order to ascend to true Divinity. He wants to become the puppeteer, not free the puppets.

Ranni's entire purpose is a puppet cutting its own strings and ending that relationship – hence why Seluvis dies when the Puppets have their own agency and they turn on Pidia. It's why she allows Marika to perish in peace, and makes an oath to every living being & soul, as well as only turns violence against her own Two Fingers, and nothing else. You fundamentally cannot defeat her, but you don't have to join her on her journey into the Stars. Her path is one of the freedom of choice that comes from not knowing that there is a god. No ability to form a certainty of righteous divinity means that the power structures left in the world will be impermanent, and only guided for 1000 years under the moon in ways that the cannot perceive from that place exactly like the dark side of the moon.

It's an impermanent choice, and it's one not unlike what Marika made to escape the overwhelming oppression that she was under. Like Count Ymir mentions of Marika's mother & of Metyr herself, the flaw is that they were ALL damaged and in pain that shaped them, and their constant presence in overcoming that conflict further solidified that. Ranni removes herself from everything aside from only slaying the Two Fingers that she alone had the power to oppose thanks to you. While the Aliens of the Stars are as far removed from the Beasts of the Earth as possible, Bloodborne is very clear the cold detachment & burning obsessions are equally dangerous states for the Mind or the Heart.

Thus the danger inherent to Ranni making that journey alone is the same cold, darkness of the Lunar relationship that we first visited with the Moon Presence in Bloodborne – the fear, doubt, & loneliness of that isolation. She's a doll who has cut off all of the things that make her human aside from her individual will. If she accepts Destined Death, then the yearning for a surrogate child or companion will lead this back down an identically familiar path... but there's an intentional parallel to the "Childhood's Beginning" ending of Bloodborne, where the doll takes your Great One form off of the ground, cradles you in her arms, and asks if you're cold – especially as her attire states, "A deep love for the doll can be surmised by the fine craftsmanship of this article, and the care with which it was kept. It borderlines on mania, and exudes a slight warmth."

You bring Ranni the love and the warmth of companionship of someone who chose that path willingly while knowing that it comes at a cost, and made the choice to pay that cost anyway. That situation not only ensures that the being who's ascending to a divinity isn't alone the way that the Great Ones are, but also that she's not experiencing the same trauma that her mother did when Radagon abandoned her. Her path is one that's not as likely to be amplifying or perpetuating those past struggles under the Golden Order to become permanent trauma that repeat the way Marika's did in syncretizing with the beliefs of the Tower to replace it, because Ranni's eschews those things altogether.

It's ensuring that as Elden Lord don't continue to suffer being maidenless in isolation and aren't left with the existential loss that drove Vyke & Bernahl away from the path of Elden Lord into into the path of Madness or being a Recusant unable to accept that pain, but it's finding a way to heal from the loss. The Mending Runes for Marika appear to do that, but it's also ignoring that Marika's other self in Radagon's attempts to do that have failed, and her shadow in Malekith also opposes the idea, as well as the promise that Master Hewg commits himself to ensuring that he creates a weapon capable of slaying a god.

Allowing her to die is honoring a choice that she wants, as is a Tarnished coming to claim the throne in whatever way they deem fit, and she can't facilitate them on her own any more than Ranni could. Conversely, it's also not mistaking Lord of Chaos killing Marika being a path of justice that solves things, as that's just releasing all of the protections of order and indiscriminately unleashing perpetual death... which is why Melina vows to bring Destined Death to the Lord of Chaos to protect order, even while she facilitates the destruction of the Erdtree. Ranni's path is the atheist approach to a Christ & Anti-Christ conflict, which is what the historic amplification of generational trauma from civil war becomes as two sides can't view one another with objectivity.

While the Arthurian love triangle of Arthur, Lancelot, & Guinevere looked at that balance, and that heavily informed BERSERK setting up the dynamic between Griffith, Guts, & Casca the intertwined nature of their relationships don't allow for the role of a player character to interact with those paths as individual agents. Blaidd's & Radahn's vulnerabilities are an overt parallel to Guts and the idea of him as Griffith's possession is why I expect that the thematic elements with Godwyn that are included in the setting of Shadow of the Erdtree don't use that Taira & Minamoto historical civil war dynamic to explore the dangers of a beloved messianic figure coming into power or returning from the dead in a messianic resurrection parallel, as those modern links are much easier to see, but also they build off of the thematic constructs of the Souls-connected mythos itself.

As the DLC just adds in more supporting context, rather than creating a new ending for the game, digging into all of those overlaps and visual design conveyances has been really captivating to contemplate.


While there's a lot of other highly interesting things with the new Dragon Heart transformations, those... have a lot of pieces where the core design elements are linked REALLY heavily to themes in 1.0 content from Elden Ring that seem to have been redesigned a lot in the story framework. Since the DLC doesn't have content from that, some bits and pieces of trying to unpack that feel extremely speculative, so they'd probably merit their own meandering through various details if at some point anyone feels the compulsion to wade through even more walls of text. :mon:



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A fun look at some of the previous titles' DNA showing up in the trailer:


So, it's worth getting into some breakdowns on what we ACTUALLY know about Nightreign thus far:

Wes Fenlon from PC Gamer was one first 6 people in the world who actually got to play the game, so his insights about the mechanics are especially nice to hear about first hand.

Additionally, there's an interview on Famitsu (in Japanese) & IGN (in English) with the director Junya Ishizaki that breaks down some of the details: 『エルデンリング ナイトレイン』は3人で3日間を生き抜くオンライン協力プレイのサバイバルアクションに。ディレクターが詳細を語る国内メディア独占インタビュー | ゲーム・エンタメ最新情報のファミ通.com

Vaati condenses some of the info about the unique character/classes that have been shown or mentioned:

Some standouts that have me ridiculously excited for how this is being implemented:

• The Director Junya Ishizaki was a Level Designer on the original Dark Souls, was a Level Designer & Battle Designer for Bloodborne, and was the Combat Designer for both Dark Souls 3 & Elden Ring.
–– This gives a really good background to his perspective on taking and pushing those elements EXTRA far here in Nightreign. It's very clear that all 8 classes are meant to give a hyper-elevated version of the Souls-like combat that are all exceptionally specialized, and I think that's likely born out of him being core to those two key design elements of the whole series, and wanting to really push the limits of what kind of really fun & intense experience that you can have with those. One of the biggest strengths & weaknesses of Elden Ring that started to become apparent in Shadow of the Erdtree is just how many ways there are to play the game. It means that bosses start to get a lot more difficult to balance, because there's a near-endless number of ways to approach those challenges – but it also means that as a Designer you're just full of intense ideas for things you could try but in ways that almost no player will likely ever experience. With 8 specialized classes & a 3-player focused approach, you can now start to make really big boss encounters and maintain the balance a lot easier to manage from a QA/testing perspective because there are tighter variables. Nightreign is in every way the sort of sandbox that someone like him would really want to be able to make because those are the core parts of the Souls-like experience that he's most well-versed in AND they're the bits that he's uniquely passionate about, so he's PERFECT to have as a director leading this.

• It's a completely standalone experience focused on 3-player co-op, but it can also be played totally solo (no 2 player option), and it's NOT a Live Service game. Additionally, it takes place in a parallel world from Elden Ring where it operates independently to the content of the story itself, and the variable region is instead a region known as Limveld (not Limgrave).
–– I see this as something akin to Dissidia that allows for them to play around in the sandbox a bit more with previous greatest hits type things all in one centralized location, married to something like FFXV Comrades where there's a standalone co-op element that's built around delivering a similar experience to the core game but in a more condensed manner than a full RPG. Again, if you look at his background, and the overt inclusion of all the Dark Souls, Bloodborne, & Sekiro details here, it's a sandbox in the very best of ways driven by the things that they liked, but he also mentions explicitly that they looked all all sorts of different types of games for inspiration to make this something different and that they're still committed to ensuring that players can still enjoy the entire thing out-of-the-box, which removes all the downsides of why Live Service is such a drag, and I'm glad it's not one.

• Limveld has randomly generated drops, but a generally consistent geographical layout... however there are some components of that which can apparently modify elements of the map layout which have yet to be shown and weren't in the early playtests that the few journalists got to try. Each session is started by you selecting the boss that you want to fight at the end of Night 3 (though the actual boss has a name different from how it's selected). Each run is unique and works in a Rogue-like way, though there is a form of Rogue-lite meta progression as well in the form of Relic Rites that you can purchase with Murk (along with gestures & skins for character customization).
–– This gets into the heart of where this VERY much has the elements of Bloodborne's Root Chalice dungeons which had difficulty scaling that's more conceptually designed around having multiple players, and procedurally generated challenge content to give players things to do. In the Famitsu interview, Ishizaki even mentions that the Relic Rites as the lasting progression element are like the Blood Gems from Bloodborne in being character-level modifiers – and given that that's what the Chalice dungeon farming is basically for, this has the DNA of something that they've been wanting to do for a while in some capacity. Given that the Bloodborne's Chalice Dungeons still have variables that change what the dungeon elements are like between Pthumeru, Hintertomb, Loran, & Isz – I expect that there's likely a similar type of variable that will alter the physical layout of Limveld beyond just the "Chalice Depth" type difficulty of any of the given bosses. While I was surprised that Elden Ring didn't implement any of the Chalice Dungeon-like procedural replayability, it very much seems like all of that effort went into this experience where it is much better off.

• There are no messages, invasions, character creation, or PvP in the game, but there is still a passive online component. You can see phantoms, and there are unique enemies that form from Bloodstains of defeated players that are an exceptional source of loot if they're defeated. The inventory is limited, there are no weapon requirements or weight limitations, as weapons have passive buffs, so your loadout of picking up weapons will depend on how you're running your build in any given run. Everything is streamlined into the 8 "class" characters who all have their own unique abilities & narratives that will progress as you go through the game, as you can talk to all the others at the Roundtable Hold between sessions. Every time a session starts, aside from the Murk upgrades that you have, you restart at Lv1 and have to level up & progress like you would in a normal Souls-like game. All enemies defeated grant runes to all 3 players, and downed players can be revived by attacking them. Where even simple enemies present a "wall" to players in Souls games, these are meant to feel more like they do when you're starting out stronger, and they're a quick path to upgrading in the 15-minute day cycle between boss fights.
–– There's a very clear focus on creating this standalone as being a "condensed full RPG experience" and while there's the Battle Royal circle that closes in to the boss arena and other elements that are familiar from other formats, the character class unique traits, ultimates, and other more fast-paced design with bosses appearing at a set timer interval actually reminds me a LOT MORE of what Survivor-likes play like. Even the hub world format for games like Death Must Die use for having their various characters talk, along with diving into the experience at Lv1 every time have this really unique feedback loop where the DNA of Souls games very clearly helped to craft elements of that genre in how it fused with Diablo-like ARPGs, and now it's circling back around to be an ACTUAL FromSoft game. The pace means that Invasions, PvP, & Messages just don't match, and while this experience doesn't have the same challenge, it's because those are things that work a lot better in a slower RPG setting. One of the things about replaying Souls games (which only a small number of dedicated players even do) and going for new & interesting builds is that the base enemies aren't so much a barrier as they are just something that slow you down from getting to the equipment that you want if you're playing it in NG+ whereas if you're replaying from Lv1 it's more difficult to get all the requisite things to make a particular build. This format basically does the best of ALL of that so that you can flex into 8 different ways of playing that are all focused on a particular approach & radically different from one another in ways that are collectively complimentary. Attacking your allies to heal them means that you're not getting players who are entirely removed from the core gameplay to be supports either – and I expect it's also why the balance doesn't work for PvP, leading to why the Colosseums were added to Elden Ring directly, but this element exists as a standalone instead of an addition to the base game.

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Overall, this seems like it's gonna be an absolute blast to play whenever it drops in 2025.



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Figured I'd go on a bit of a meander about the visual designs and some of the other interesting opportunities that exist in how they may go about adding in various enemies into the core lineup of Elden Ring enemies by taking a wander through some of the underlying design guidelines & visual elements of the games. Given that it's not limited to just Elden RIng, I've tossed it all into a spoiler tag, and there'll be various links to video references, but I don't expect that the auto embeds will function after a certain point, so they'll probably just end up as links once those don't auto-convert.


The Parasitic Spider from Dark Souls II showed up in the Nightreign trailer, which is really reminiscent of the Parasitic Spider Crab in Elden Ring that controls the Cemetery Shades, and given that Spiders & Parasitism is a common theme that's used, but Elden Ring had in a little bit of a weird middle ground, it'll be neat to see which overlapping designs end up getting brought together.


Spiders have had a lot of themes throughout the Souls games, but the Crab fusion with the subject's head also having the moth feelers on the Cemetery Shades remines me particularly of Bloodborne with the Garden of Eyes whose head is a squishy Spider whose body is like a half-developed cocoon with butterfly wings. Those designs directly overlap with the Amygdala having glowing limbs like the Cemetery Shade's Crab has while the Amygala's Winter Lantern heads were used in Shadow of the Erdtree, and also links to how Mergo's Wet Nurse has the physical form of a headless Amygdala. The Amygdala's tail and fused body is a trait shared by Elden Ring's Pests with their bodies seemingly formed of interconnected parts, and a theme all about rot & rebirth with them having a hatchery in one of the catacombs of the Caelid Waypoint Ruins.


Since in Bloodborne, Patches is an Amyglada-worshipping Spider with a human head, I do hope that he's got some twisted referential appearance in Nightreign where he'll sabotage you somehow before running away or similar Patches-type reference amongst these arachnid types. As things started out with Bloodborne's more simple decapitation & reattaching heads to other bodies (which they also do with crows & dogs), Shadow of the Erdtree opened up on all this a bit more with the Pests by giving us the Spider-Scorpions & Romina, showing this same sort of multi-body fusion between insects being explicitly tied into the Scarlet Rot – and the Parasitic Spider is shown walking in a new Scarlet Rot area during the Nightreign trailer.


This all also comes together with the the Gaping Dragon in Dark Souls & the Fluorescent Flowers in Bloodborne, as the Gaping Dragon isn't just a regular dragon, but it's got a centaur-like extra torso with an additional set of limbs (4 wings, 4 arms, 2 legs), and a similarly multi-segmented body that's very similar body type to all of the 4-armed Pests in Elden Ring. The similarly centipede-like front body and the Pests having a conical snail shell on their heads is all also reminiscent of the Fluorescent Flower overlaps with the Gaping Dragon as well as using thread attacks akin to the Cemetery Shade, as well as having weapons in the Pest Glaive & Mantis Blade that hint at a ken of higher and unknowably alien intellect, which intersects with the Fluorescent Flower name overlapping to the Lumenwood themes that carried over from Bloodborne into Elden Ring that I mentioned when talking about theme overlaps between both games.


All of the Ancient Dragons in Elden Ring & Darkeater Midir from Dark Souls III have (4 wings, 2 arms & 2 legs), the humanoid Dragon God, Consumed King, Magma Wyrms, & Bayle the Dread (2 wings, 2 arms, 2 legs) as well as the more Draconic Kalameet, Ancient Dragon, Sinh, (also 2 wings, 2 arms, 2 legs), the Storm Drake that Nameless King rides (4 wing, 2 legs, no arms), or the Demons' Souls & Dark Souls early Drakes/Dragons, Dark Souls III's Ancient Wyverns and Elden Ring's scaleless Lesser Dragons (2 wings & 2 legs).

Seath the Scaleless has the pale slug-like mutant lower half that shows up in the inhabitants of the Fishing Village in Bloodborne, where those themes get associated to this sort of slimy eldritch appearance that's reminiscent of what the Elden Beast looks like in Elden Ring as it uses Radagon/Marika as a host. Those themes are all interconnected to plants & parasitism: Kos Parasite, Lumenwood, Erdtree, etc. and also have an intersection with designs like the Consumed King & Rom's body growing Scarlet Rot-like fungal flowers on them paired with a heavy overlap into elements of formlessness with things like the Consumed King's child Oscelotte in Dark Souls III & Mergo in Bloodborne being children who can't be seen.

Those are things are a part of the path that comes along with that sort of elevation of self and the loss of a Human Heart that Shadow of the Erdtree explores with an ancient dragon in human form literally named after a flower – Florissax, with the Dragon's Calorbloom flowers growing from the hearts of the deceased Dragon Communion practitioners. All the alien floral themes associated with Kin are a part of what the design of the Pests & Goddess of Rot represent in Elden Ring, just as much as the interconnected relationship between the Runes empowering the host that hosts them within their body, as it's a split between the will of the individual and the Rune as the will of a Greater intellect finding a host.


In juxtaposition to those are the Beast elements as their blood is undecaying and they're the unthinkingly loyal guardians of the Dragons in Farum Azula. Beasts and specifically Wolves are the Shadows of the Empyreans in a dark juxtaposition to the Lumenwood's light themes. Ragagon serves as a representation of attempting to balance Intelligence & Faith and so it's interesting that the first of the confirmed new bosses in Nightreign is a Cerberus Red Wolf of Radagon who can split apart or fuse together and help to carry those themes. They're represented in the elevation in being gifted 5 fingers instead of 4, whereas the Cosmic beings & Ancient dragons have 6 fingers to represent a different type of more highly elevated intellect, which we also see in Bloodborne on beings like Amygdala.

As those elements get more draconic, we start to see things like the Undead Beastmen who can breathe fire, but also there tends to be a lot of motifs of the human being consumed from within by that change, so things like the Magma Wyrms & Dragon God that have overtly human qualities get multiple rows of teeth in semi-separate jaws. Those have a similar overlap to a lot of how Prometheus portrays this sort of dichotomy between the Xenomorphs as Beasts that transform Humans into murderous monsters (which stand in juxtaposition to the pale Engineers & Androids as pale-blooded Artificial Kin, following a lot of the same designs that Bloodborne uses for the Pthumerians & Albinaurics).


Those take on an even greater emphasis on those themes being interconnected that the series has only VERY lightly touched on when Beasts become parasitized and their heads start to become an auxiliary appendage, like Bloodborne's Loran Silverbeasts whose heads split, are capable of breathing flame with an ignition source from their head's twisted sideways jaws in the same way that the new Dragon in the Nightreign trailer does, and who have the Hateful Maggots burst out of their corpses unless they're burned. In Bloodborne, eventually those parasitized Beasts become something like the Bloodletting Beast which, just like the subjects of the Clocktower have their heads eventually lost as they're a vestigial limb at that point, and this is something that Sekiro also explored with the Guardian Ape & a number of other bosses also utilizing the Centipede motif. This theme of living again after being killed is why the Rune of Death breaks into the twin split centipede mark in Elden Ring, which is from a Japanese proverb where if you kill a centipede another one will show up to bite you, and the only way to avoid this is to burn them instead of crush them. (This is why D's twin takes his armor and shows up to kill Fia after he's murdered, and a number of other intertwined elements like Godwyn & Ranni's deaths).


However, there is a possibility to get a culmination of ALL of those qualities where a Kin, Beast, & Great One ALL overlap where those Draconic facial qualities start to show through again since the Mind & Body are intertwined rather than being a puppeted host. The elemental nature of Fire that beasts & dragons breathe changes to Lightning – hence in Elden Ring, the Dragon Communion hearts forming "Calorblooms" meaning "heat" rather than the Ancient Dragons' Fulgurblooms meaning "lightning" and also getting into why Bayle's lightning is Fire Lightning in parallel to the Dragonkin Soldiers' Ice Lightning as they're both stages of being NEARLY fully draconic but not quite reaching that (especially as Placidusax as the Dragon Lord isn't a "Dragon type" enemy any longer, and has an incantation that requires only Faith and NOT Arcane – the element associated with Blood & physical transformation whereas Bayle's is purely Arcane). This triplicate balance was created but fully unused in Bloodborne as the Great One Beast – something that'd be REALLY neat to see actually completed & brought into Nightreign as a new boss given how it aligns to the underlying themes really well, and how similar it is to a more draconic version of the Red Wolf of Radagon.


To bring things around to the other side – most of the Draconic elements in Elden Ring are all centered around the split between Faith & Arcane, but there is a very strong presence of draconic loyalty associated with Ranni & other Lunar themes, which go back to Dark Souls with the Moonlight Butterfly and how those themes intersect with the Moonlight Greatsword, as well as the twin helix designs of the Fingerslayer Blade, Godslayer Greatsword & Sacred Relic Sword (thanks to Evangelion's Lance of Longinus as the original god-slayer weapon design). This is likely interconnected to the emerging metamorphosis designs for the transformation in the Garden of Eyes in Bloodborne as well as the moth-like feelers from the Cemetery Shade's Crab having an overlap of Insight rather than Faith leading to changes, and things like the Vacuous Rom having those spider-like qualities but no mind to go along with it as the butterfly is a representation of the spirit of the deceased in Japan, so that type of metamorphosis being transcendental, and Ebrietas having a very similar physiology to Seeth the Scaleless starts to emphasize some of those splits between Sleep & Madness that's mainly represented by Intelligence in Elden Ring. Though there are a lot of different hot/cold binaries, the Glintstone elements are particularly prominent in being unique to that type of cold detachment from the physical form and puppetry like Ranni's own four-limbed doll has that is also heavily thematically tied into the elements of night & darkness that we see in the Cemetery Shades.


Like the Glintstone grows from the bodies of the Primal Current Sorcerers in Elden Ring, Seath's artificial scales growing out of his body are crystaline. That magic in transforming sorcerous biology into inorganic matter follows that same underlying design in Elden Ring with the biology that Marika & her shaman people had, which lead to Godrick Grafting, but also why the Dragons that prey upon the sorcerers gradually have their own bodies start to crystalize as well. Especially with the proliferation of the Glintstone-infused Lesser Dragons & the Moonblade-wielding Adula as late-game entites in the base game of Elden Ring, and the sideways icicle motif of the Nightreign title, I'd be exceptionally surprised if Darkeater Midir doesn't make an appearance with all of the darkness-laden themes that also wrap around into this same core motif from the few enemies that they've shown thus far given just how much that design closely matches to the setting in a parallel world of The Lands Between.

Aaaaaand that's enough of the tl;dr meandering for now. :awesomonster:

Insofar as the game itself:

Aside from just the "rule of cool" bosses, I think that bosses who have something really unique insofar as gameplay is concerned have a high probability to show up if they ALSO have something that has a good alignment of the underlying design rules that Elden Ring's setting uses. Given that we know that the core movesets of bosses are VERY often reused as assets in new From games, I'd also be really interested in how much of the other games' entities are not just ported but potentially even expanded upon from what it was in its source game.

The other gameplay element that's got me thinking a lot about the pacing and the high probability of the returning bosses being updated is that Elden Ring's gameplay has something VERY specific to it that isn't nearly as true of Souls, Sekiro, or Bloodborne which is how its bosses are paced. While the previous games had to give you room for things, and as a result the boss fights become a bit more of a dance, because you're always their only partner. Elden Ring REALLY gives you an overwhelming amount of tools to more effectively interrupt or direct the pace of the fight on your own terms (which ties into the core theme of becoming Elden Lord and being THE person who has to set that sort of tone for the lands over which you now preside), but ESPECIALLY in terms of Spirit Ashes. Shadow of the Erdtree putting more emphasis on them clearly designing boss fights around mechanics with summoned co-operators – especially with the final boss.

Nightreign being a Co-op ARPG that's either solo OR three-player very much focuses in around this element in particular, and the way in which the Cerberus-like Red Wolf of Radagon from the trailer is shown as a single boss, but then also splitting out into 3 separate targets shows that they're VERY focused on striking an intentional balance of an ebb & flow to this element of how the bigger combat encounters are designed. It's one of the things that I think is bound to be SUPER interesting about the game and how it plays.


LAST BUT NOT LEAST:

REGISTRATION FOR THE CLOSED NETWORK TEST OPENS JANUARY 10TH – US Site / EU Site / JP Site

The actual Closed Network Test will start in February, so we'll be getting a solid look at the game REALLY soon. As the network elements are going to be paramount for this to function, I'd also expect that this likely won't be the only one. (Unfortunately it's being limited to cross-generation play, and isn't supporting cross-platform, though maybe fingers crossed they might go for that at some point later depending on what sort of complexities they have to deal with in getting everything working well). Overall though, I expect that we'll be seeing a lot of feedback about the overall gameplay loop, since according to the few journalists who did play it, it took a few hours to really get the feel for it and something like this is gonna work FAR better than anything else they could do to get people to wrap their heads around it in ways that other trailers & showcases won't do as well.



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Done with Elden Ring, maybe for life I don't know. This was my final showdown against the last boss (after 120 painful tries):


SotE is possibly the best DLC out there, I guess only Bloodborne's The Old Hunters comes close. Miyazaki underselled it in interviews, it's much bigger than expected and it took me +100h to explore all the Realm of Shadow has to offer. There's enough content here to rival any full game releasing right now in the market (no hyperbole). But what matters the most is that it never falls short on excellency, on music, level design, variety, engaging fights and shining rewards.

The base game already filled the map with content between some empty spaces here and there, but the DLC really strikes the perfect balance by shortening the gaps even more and never missing the same excitement of exploring and finding out out how to reach that area or that one.

There's one aspect that deserves even more praise. I'm convinced SotE has the greatest art direction in gaming. A painting in digital form, it's so consistently good that it makes you stop just to appreciate each area, each color variation in the skies, how it contrasts to the monuments erected across the land, each armature, each design... I tried hard to choose my favorite shots from the +4000 screenshots taken, but this album is proof.


And I think in general that's the ideal way to define From games, as the story is hidden in the details you can't help to keep admiring, like a painting that only shows glimpses of its true meaning but the painter never reveals it fully to you. From mastered the less is more approach, it manages to convey powerful emotional with little. (I would say that's also key to its success, as it doesn't have long cutscenes or dialogues, it never requires the player not interested in poetic stories to engage with it, but if he wants to, the hole goes deep).

Messmer, as an example, just has a few lines but it is a fascinating character for how it is presented (and together with Igon and Thiollier, delivers the best VA in Sotc). Really liked the ambiguity between your compatriots, the journey we have with them.

And the music is stellar. You can feel the once-proud Belurat with its somber chorus, and Promised Consort takes my breath away entirely (the second half is incredible). I also specially like the combat theme in Enir-Ilim and the night theme of Scadu Altus and of course the gentle St.Trina`s theme.

The post-game PvP phase was a solid excuse to keep playing and test the weapons and magics that I collected. This time I played as a Pyromancer with a Faith-focused build and tried a bit of Arcane using the Ancient Meteoric Blade (using Dane`s Footwork as secondary weapon). Both approachs earned some success, on occasion I even got 70%-90% winrate, even with a pool of players that included highly experienced combatants and the insane build variety around.

For invasions, I found Radhan's Starcaller to be game-changer, managed to pull many players to the abyss by pulling them near edges. Miquella's Light makes you truly feel like a god, it has insane range and you can cast from super far (free aimed fireball at end as a bonus). Faith-builds are absolutely destroying. For duels, my usual strategy as pyromancer was baiting the duelist with a free-aimed fireball, and following up with Messmer's Orb. It's super effective.

On Nightreign, I would rather have it tied to the main story somehow, shedding light on some obscure area or character like the Gloam-Eyed Queen or Eochaid. For now I'm more interested on how they will iterate the new gameplay ideas into their next big title. Miyazaki himself said he's yet to make his ideal fantasy game, I wonder if he means by setting or gameplay? Whatever comes next, Elden Ring will forever be unforgettable masterpiece, an epic of biblical proportions, and one of the ultimate dark fantasy experiences.

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Gods, just looking over that album really centers in on why I just can't get enough of going back to Elden Ring just to meander through places I've been countless times, because there's always some interesting little detail to look at and design consideration to a place that's exceptionally interesting. Even then, there are also the little memories that I made when I first emerged into those locations, and like when I initially wandered into the lower regions of Nokstella to see the artificial crystaline stars in the subterranean city before confronting the Dragonkin Soldier of Nokstella, the memories you make of those moments live in your mind as an intertwined part of the fabric of that artwork.

Put plainly, there's something about the experience of visiting their worlds that are well and truly uniquely magical.

Even the times when I'm looking at it partially through a software development lens to find the most satisfying cracks in the experience (in a way that AnyAustin describes brilliantly in a video about GTAV power lines at 22:01), knowing where old pieces of story were reshaped and turned into a different form, it's a detail where the inherent layered incompleteness & development process leading to little inconsistencies actually make it feel MORE like a real historical location because actual history is fragmented and full of repurposed religion, design, & tradition that shifted them to accommodate itself and often left slightly odd amalgamations of tradition that only feel like part of the story – but every little journey into those details is utterly captivating. One of the things that I especially like the most about Shadow of the Erdtree is that that IS its story. There are details that explicitly state that traditions of the tower were taken and adapted into the beliefs of the people of the Erdtree.

It's one of the things that comes from Japanese syncretism of practices that makes it such a prominent part of design. It's probably most apparent in the world-building from the manga version of Nausicaä of the Valley of the Wind, which had a very wide influence on fantasy worlds in Japanese told forms of Western Fantasy – but FromSoftware really does it with a depth & fidelity like no one else. In reading some of the works that influenced it in manga like Pygmalio, BERSERK, or Mushishi, or novel series like Tales from the Flat Earth by Lee Tanith (which I'm on book 4 of at the moment), there's a sense of the impact of that literary richness and mystery to all of them, where we're a bit like Mad Max in getting a snapshot of a piece of a broken world with a familiar echo, but in a unique form.

I think that the reason Miyazaki has yet to make his ideal fantasy game is that his understanding and sense of what an ideal fantasy game is has been continually evolving along with him, even if the core elements that underpin his ideas of those things remain consistent, he always has slightly different questions & existential struggles that he's attempting to portray using all the possible tools of mythology at his disposal that also intertwine with history. (One example is how the Fire Giant's design harkens to the Chinese mythological history where the Flame Emperor, was defeated by the Supreme Divinity (the Yellow Emperor). A servant of the Flame Emperor named Xingtian rose up in revenge and was decapitated, resulting only in him growing a face out of his torso and being consumed by that blind rage. Those same elements are echoed in the Fell God of the Fire Giants, only one of whom yet remains, and that Marika the Eternal wasn't able to destroy the Fell God, so she merely sealed it away.

Those are very different themes of fire than the Promethean elements of flame in Dark Souls which also intertwine to the themes of unified dreams in the Bonfire of Souls from BERSERK, but they're a continual exploration of the struggle of what a world looks like when it gets left behind. So, when Shadow of the Erdtree explores the Tokyo/Babylonian City of the Tower, Messemer's Flame as the obliterating hellfire that harkens back to Operating MEETINGHOUSE from the WWII Tokyo Firebombings being immortalized in the form of artificial giants in the form of Fire Golems, there's an echo between the interconnected Chinese, Japanese, & American historical relationships that forms these types of questions about how you grapple with being on both sides of that conflict. The answers are far removed from the Pure Black & White world affinities of Demon's Souls, but the underlying themes of Fire as a necessary catalyst for bringing about a natural cyclical downfall & rebirth have a different antithetical form in the Frenzied Flame where that decapitation and replacement of one's former self with a seething and destructive maw of vacuous burning hatred was something that came into form relatively late in Elden Ring's development.

Seeing the ways in which those themes of being told to "endure" a horrible suffering that literally never ends leading to Midra is a direct reflection of self-justified hatred that feeds on itself in an insatiable feedback loop to the ruin of everything drawn directly from the finale of Night's Master (the first of Tanith Lee's Tales of the Flat Earth series), with its opposite being a role that embodies the Satanic shadow of a Messianic figure who literally scatters his body to pieces to save the world that echoes many of the ways in which Miquella embodies something of great danger but in a way that's different from that threat, and reflect Marika as the more overtly Christ-like saviour... but when she gives in, it's the essence of the Fire Giant's shared lineage within her that emerges as the red-haired Radagon to fight you and try and mend that broken Golden Order that's been irreparably sundered.

One of the things in Shadow of the Erdtree that's made clear in all of the iconography throughout the Lands of Shadow is that, aside from the one of Marika & Messemer held in his private chamber – all of the statues of Queen Marika the Eternal are headless – just like the Lords of the Frenzied Flame. Even her own body at the end of the game is left as a headless shell – because she's no longer on the side of victory, but she's forced to endure the torture of everlasting rule as an inescapable curse leading to the same ultimate fate as the Fire Giants whose pain was embodied by a defeated ruler and the burning pain within her, and which is slowly tipping from that state of enduring helplessness eternally until it's just consumed by utter hatred & madness – which is why she made Hewg swear to craft a weapon capable of killing a god.

There is a disconnection from humanity that comes with the pursuit of eternity, and it's why Miquella's naïve innocence doesn't notice that as a cage. Not only that, but he doesn't understand the utter horror of how he's using Lord Mohg's body as a vessel to contain General Radahn's soul just to enable his own ascension to Godhood, and how even forcing everyone to love and endure those acts, it doesn't erase the suffering EVERYONE would experience from that. The narrative of Darriwil, Radahn, & Blaidd are all about how they cling to the last fragment of loyalty even as they're consumed by impossible circumstances, and so the burning red eyes of that berserk suffering takes on a totally different form to the burning Yellow when that last fragment of hope vanishes and they're left not just as a half-mad beast howling at the moon, but as an empty vessel being piloted by another lord in place of their own mind when that suffering reaches a breaking point – again, exactly what happens when the Fell God of the Fire Giants awakens within their chests, but also why the Trolls who betrayed the Giants to aid the people of the Erdtree suffer grievously from that, and have begun to succumb to madness of the Frenzied Flame after forsaking their own god.

Those same themes are echoed with the Dragonic storyline in Shadow of the Erdtree, where if consumed, Bayle's Heart threatens to one day take over your body and reform him in antithesis to how, having given up her Ancient Dragon form already to try and seek aid in defeating Bayle, once Dragon Priestess Florissax is freed from her permanent devotion to Dragonlord Placidusax, she gains a human heart and the ability to experience love for the first time ever – the opposite of what happens to those who fall to the addiction of Dragon Communion and become like Bayle in an attempt to seize power over everything, they ravenously and without care predate upon their own kind. While Miyazaki's series have often examined those themes in the form of Humanity & Draconic transformation, the Stone/Priestess Dragon Hearts being transformations that last until death reflect similar themes – but they always feel like there's a slightly different perspective to the underlying elements.

Even while details like the Ancient Dragons being living Gravel Stone while all Lesser Dragons are an amalgamation of various forms of beasts with feathers, claws, talons, and other elements of the Crucible in Elden Ring parallels the history of Seath the Scaleless betraying his draconic bretheren in Dark Souls, the elements of the fantasy are shifting in the ways that Miyazaki's underlying perspective of those stories are shifting, and how those ideas, while thematically consistent, present different versions of what fantasy looks like in a way that feels familiar, and has this underlying element of being a living picture that you can meander through or bury yourself into in literally ANY corner of the worlds and find things like this that not only show you how complete they are, but also in how I don't know that there will ever be something that IS Miyazaki's ideal fantasy game – in the best way possible.

It's the overall shape of those things in Elden Ring that makes me unbelievably interested in seeing what it looks like when that world is subjected to an alternate lens in Nightreign. There's a different director, but also a condensed narrative that intertwines all of those pieces into one place and lets us feel them all at once in a way that's strange & different to the previous experiences, while also being recognizably familiar. Most interestingly we're getting 8 characters who all have their own interconnected narrative elements which is a familiar but also radically different way of approaching the indirect storytelling in that world.


Last but not least – The Elden Ring Official Artbook Vol 3 dropped on Christmas, so I'm VERY eagerly anticipating that hopefully shipping soon and being able to dive into all of the artwork in full detail beyond the tiny taste I got from the mini artbook that released with the game. Additionally, after 2 1/2 years of work, TorchTorch finally completed their Dark Moon Ring & opened them for preorder, and they've put in just as much insane meticulous attention to every little detail as they have with everything else Souls or Bloodborne related that they've done.


Being able to wrap up the collection of artbooks & things for the main game JUST as Nightreign is opening that up with the other Souls elements just makes me ridiculously glad to know that I'll have more development material to dive into some time in 2025/2026 depending on when the supplemental books get released.



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your analyses are so full of references and concepts, just shows how much care goes on building up the world, its story and themes.

Actually, I have a few questions that remain after clearing the DLC!

- Why Miquella recruited the compatriots, just that they could clear path to Enir-ilim in his place? (since he disposed himself of his body and strenght, I wonder if he could have managed alone; or did he just wanted bodyguards to defend him against any potential threat (like you now, the player itself)?

- Do you think Radahn was charmed by Miquella? He didn't say a word; when Miquella made his vow, he was alone, like a child praying for something rather than two demigods making a pact. Miquella saw Radahn as a platonic ideal of strength after all, so this "vow" could be interpreted as just something he wished in his mind.

- What was the snake skin in Bonny Village? Thought we would face a Snake boss somewhere in the open, but that didn't go anywhere. It's such a random and unique thing to find in the environment. Do you think it could be linked to Messmer?

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your analyses are so full of references and concepts, just shows how much care goes on building up the world, its story and themes.

Actually, I have a few questions that remain after clearing the DLC!

- Why Miquella recruited the compatriots, just that they could clear path to Enir-ilim in his place? (since he disposed himself of his body and strenght, I wonder if he could have managed alone; or did he just wanted bodyguards to defend him against any potential threat (like you now, the player itself)?

- Do you think Radahn was charmed by Miquella? He didn't say a word; when Miquella made his vow, he was alone, like a child praying for something rather than two demigods making a pact. Miquella saw Radahn as a platonic ideal of strength after all, so this "vow" could be interpreted as just something he wished in his mind.

- What was the snake skin in Bonny Village? Thought we would face a Snake boss somewhere in the open, but that didn't go anywhere. It's such a random and unique thing to find in the environment. Do you think it could be linked to Messmer?

Thanks! It's fun to dive into all the work that goes into these games when you get to poke around more behind-the-scenes.

It feels like this is an airtight contingency plan.

Miquella forcibly recruited someone from absolutely every meaningful faction, such that no matter what the circumstances that lead to Radahn's & Mohg's deaths, they will be able to facilitate whatever he requires of them when those events come to pass. On top of that, Leda has no qualms whatsoever about slaughtering anyone who deviates from that path, so even as he is divesting himself of his powers, there's a means to hold those things together.

This also helps to paint a picture of just how DEEPLY pervasive Miquella's influence was within every group in the Lands Between during & after The Shattering. Redmane Freyja's helm for example, "Golden helm of Redmane Freyja, member of General Radahn's most distinguished knights. A hideous scarlet wound was once hewn into the center of her face. Later, Miquella gently put his lips to it and the unfading scar became the compass that Freyja would thereafter follow." The damage caused by an attack that he facilitated through Malenia against Radahn & the Redmane knights became the wound he healed to compel her loyalty.

This also basically crash-courses the player into understanding the deeply conflicting perspectives in trying to objectively assess information about Miquella & his motives, as this would also be the experience of anyone he didn't manage to sufficiently have direct influence over.

Personally, this is one of those things where I wish that there were some interconnected consequences & opportunities with Miquella's Needle when it comes to the relationships you have with them as that seems likely as an intended path, but it also creates a complication around post-game circumstances for some players being locked into something that would change the experience in a rather significant way which would work if it were all an interconnected experience, but is harder to maintain as DLC where some players get forced into a different route, and would need some arbitrary prerequisites.

Radahn's position is something that's contextually suggested in the story, but is something that I don't think was fully certain at all times, and also changed significantly during development depending on which elements were most emphasized about the story and who was in which role for the narrative.

First is that Malenia has always been portrayed as an extension of Miquella's will, even down to her title "Malenia, Blade of Miquella" showing that she is a weapon that is an extension of her brother's will, thanks to his charm. Despite being the strongest, her equipment CLEARLY indicates that her brother is far more: “My brother will keep his promise. He possesses the wisdom, the allure, of a god – he is the most fearsome Empyrean of all.”

This is where I'll mention that there is symbolic narrative at play here when it comes to the depiction of Malenia that pulls a bit from Der Ring des Nibelungen in the form of the Valkyrie Brunhilde who is borne of Odin's true will and after being rent asunder by betrayal (also dealing with incest vs. love) she brings about the death of the most beloved warrior, and she is left to slumber in an isolated mountain where a hero must overcome the ultimate trials to prove himself worthy to claim her. She's also heavily influenced by Jar-eel the Razoress, daughter of the Red Emperor from the mythos in RuneQuest (it's worth noting that the connections to Glorantha/Dragon's Pass with Jar-eel specifically go all the way back as far as Dark Souls, and that mythos also forms a LOT of the underlying elements of the Barbarians vs. the Lunar Empire that becomes the core of Leyndell vs. Caria in Elden Ring). She is THE quintessential warrior whose prowess is unmatched, but has elements of her character that are at the very core foundation of themes that the Souls games have been iterating upon in varying degrees of completion for a LONG time, which here are wrapped around conflicted self-destructive purpose in the impossibility of doing as she is commanded to while also aligning the truth in her & Odin's heart, and also similarly represented in Miquella's self-conflicted nature with St. Trina being a parallel to Radagon/Marika in the same position.

(Note: I'm still going through the whole of Der Ring des Nibelungen as a part of my core research, so I can't expand TOO much on what I know and how it connects beyond the parts in "Die Walküre" aside from just the summaries, as I'm currently going through "Siegfried" at the moment still and haven't gotten to "Götterdämmerung" yet, but as a whole that's a BIG component to a lot of Japanese adaptations of Western fantasy (thanks to Wagner influence during WWII Germany likely being a heavy component of early cross-cultural influence). Additionally, I'm not directly familiar with the RuneQuest mythology, and this specifically was borne out of some of my own research specific to Elden Ring that got into early influence in Japanese adaptations of Western Fantasy when I was looking at things aside from D&D & LotR that took hold there and help shape the core of that mythological approach a bit differently than ones in the West. While that's on my list of things to dive into in proper detail, I don't have much exposure to it aside from those links and a few other miscellaneous articles at the moment).

So, the next element to look at is Millicent's questline – Millicent can use the Waterfowl attack even when you first encounter her as an invader. As soon as Millicent is given the Golden Needle, she begins following the same exact path that her mother Malenia took. She even gets the same prosthetic arm that her mother used and knows her skill with a blade, and is pulled through compulsion to the Haligtree. From Gowry we learn even more context:

Gowry, "Then you might like to learn something of the history of Malenia, Goddess of Scarlet Rot. Queen Marika and her King Consort Radagon were blessed with twin demigods, and Malenia was one of them. She was born an Empyrean, carrying the Scarlet Rot. An Empyrean... is no mere demigod. In the Age of the Elden Ring, and Queen Marika, the precious Empyrean was born. A new god to forge a new Order. Since Malenia fought Radahn, and the great scarlet flower blossomed in Aeonia, I have dedicated myself to her. And to the resplendence of the Order of Rot. The cycle of decay & rebirth."

When Millicent finally reaches the Haligtree she trusts you enough not just to talk about where she's headed and to aid you, but also imparts the information specifically about what her plan is in heading there, which opens up more dialogue from Gowry as well that provides more context.

Millicent, "Again we meet. I can only surmise our purposes are aligned. In which case, allow me to explain myself. I am of Malenia's blood. But in what capacity I know not. I could be sister, daughter, or an offshoot... Whatever the case though, I am certain of a kinship between us... There is something I must return to Malenia. The will that was once her own. The dignity, the sense of self, that allowed her to resist the call of the Scarlet Rot. The pride she abandoned to meet Radahn's measure."

Gowry, "She is to meet them very soon, her sisters. And when she does, she'll be defeated, surely, and begin to flower. Which is why... If you happen to be present for the girl's fight with her sisters, I ask that you side with the sisters and kill Millicent. It must be done by your hand, no other. Millicent trusts you, rather deeply in fact. Sever that trust. Nurtured by betrayal, her bud will flower most vividly. When Malenia ascends to godhood, Millicent too shall be reborn. As a Scarlet Valkyrie. You can't tell me that you don't wish to see it. The superior bud that is Millicent, becoming the finest of flowers? I beg of you, kill her. With your own two hands."

This contextualizes what the flowering of the Scarlet Aeonia represents not JUST for her, but for Malenia as well. Miquella's Needle in Malenia's flesh is something that Millicent wants to remove from Malenia to give her back herself for the same reason that if you align with her against Gowry's-Golden-Needle-driven manipulation, Millicent removes the Golden Needle from herself, rather than blooming into a horrible Scarlet Aeonia – something that is a horrifying fate that she will actively decry by saying,

Millicent, "But this is where things end. I pause to even tell you, but... I took out the needle myself. Tell whoever put you up to this. That if I am to flower into something other than myself, I would rather rot into nothingness as I am. Please. let me pass alone. The Scarlet Rot writhes now, worse than ever. Soon, I won't be more than a mound of flesh. Curse-laden. Untouchable. I wouldn't want such a thing to bring you harm."

When you return, you'll find that she dies naturally. This is different from what happens if you betray her. As she's dying she'll say,

Millicent, "Ahh, how could you... Is this your true heart? Was I... was it all... for this?"

The line, "Is this your true heart?" is especially important to consider in the context that Miquella steals and manipulates the hearts of others for his own end, but also that Millicent's Prosthesis states, "The despair of sweet betrayal transformed Millicent from a mere bud into a magnificent flower. And one day, she will be reborn – as a beautiful Scarlet Valkyrie."

This is all emphasizing that the transformation into the Scarlet Bloom is triggered by a sense of betrayal whilst ALSO under the control of another individual, rather than operating from one's own free will.

When it comes to the conflict itself, the Sword Monuments that detail the battles in the Lands Between touch on this conflict in brief, with the one in Liurnia reading, "This marks Malenia's southward march. The Blade of Miquella and her Cleanrot Knights. Grant her wings never to be clipped." followed by the two in Caelid stating, "The Battle of Aeonia. Radahn and Malenia locked in stalemate. Then, the scarlet rot blooms." followed by "The Starscourge Conflict. Radahn alone holds Sellia secure. And stands tall, to shatter the stars."

So, we know that Malenia was sent down to confront Radahn directly. This would suggest that there is an inherent split between the two. Additionally, there is the detail that the lands that belong to the Carians and the Lunar royal lineage & those of Leyndell & the Erdtree are STILL separate territories. If you look at the Map of the Lands Between, you'll see that all the territory of Leyndell is bordered in Brown – whereas the lands that belong to the Carian Lunar family, Liurnia & Caelid, are STILL bordered in GREEN. (This also holds true in the DLC, as the Carians hold no territory in the Lands of Shadow).

This is important because the Haligtree itself is explicitly NOT a bordered territory. The who concept of the Unalloyed Gold is very heavily contingent upon a separation from the Golden Order, and Miquella's entire dynasty was designed to re-integrate with the Carians, a bond that Radagon's divorce had severed, and provides a lot of context into the Great Rune of the Unborn being the form of Miquella's Rune, and her Phase 2 transition being, "Ahh, my beloved... Have no fear, I will hold thee. Patience. Ye will be countless born, forever and ever." This aligns with Rennala being entranced in a perpetual dream and dedicated to the art of... Rebirth – the same fundamental goal of the Order of Rot that's manipulating Malenia, but the form which takes the way that Miquella is constantly reborn as an unblossomed bud that can never bloom on his own in a state of perpetual youth in juxtaposition to his sister. He is always in a between state and that power was left to her by Lord Radagon in the form of the Ember Egg. It's the only Great Rune that's always active without any link to a Divine Tower, because Miquella is in both states.

Sorcery explicitly protects against the Madness & Sleep statuses, and the fact that Ranni, Rogier, & Rennala are all cast into a slumber, and that Miquella's current state within his cocoon is described by Sir Gideon as being "asleep" reinforce the elements with St. Trina and the concept of Death & Rebirth being aligned to dreams the way that Bloodborne does with the "Awaken Above Ground" at tombstones being your method of travel, matching to Rennala's own quote about rebirth immediately after her battle, "Where did ye flee, my sweetings? Come out from whence ye hide. There are books and light aplenty. Dither not; come out say I! Or will ye be gravestones? To be better born anew?"

This overlaps to the fact that the Villiage of the Albinaurics is awash in poison, and the Crystal Caverns directly below Raya Lucaria Academy is the location of the Lake of Rot. As per the Poison Armament incantation that you get from the Scarab outside the Swamp of Aeonia, "Those who dwell within poison know rot all too well. The death that begets life, that comes to all equally. That is to say: it is the cycle of rebirth put into practice." Matching to how the Meteoric Ore Blade is found in the Caelid Waypoint Ruins where the tombs are a festering mass of juvenile Pests spawning from the opened tombs - Gowry himself secretly hiding in the guise of a human but possessing the body of one of the Pests. resembling the way that the Pests are also all spawning from cocoons around the Graveyard at the base of the Haligtree, as well as worshipping in the Lake of Rot below Raya Lucaria Academy.

This is where it's important to dig into the elements of how this all informs Malenia's path & history before getting deeper into the interconnected elements with the Carians.

First is worth noting that the core element of Malenia & her mentor come from the same place as Zorayas, D, Miquella, and a number of the other elements in the base game & Shadow of the Erdtree – the novel Night's Master by Tanith Lee. In that book, there are a duo known as Kazir the blind master and Ferazin the Flower-Born. His song rescues her and when she is tricked into death, he tends her grave for a year, watering it and eventually watering it with his own tears until she regrows from her grave. (The Ghost Glovewarts in Elden Ring also have a parallel to that symbolism of rebirth). In the narrative itself, the two of them become somewhat the subject of their own legends like that he slew a powerful serpent, when in reality it died of age & sorrow and he was protecting the charm that brought about that cycle of destruction & despair, they're set up in a way that that's indirectly referred back to the way that the Blind Swordsman is in Elden Ring in some later novels

(Note: I am still reading the Tales of a Flat Earth series and am mid-way through the 4th of the 5 books, so there is some context here that's potentially a bit incomplete in my ability to expand upon the shared mythology as while their story is VERY self-contained in Night's Master, the two are mentioned a few times since as legendary figures, so I'm not sure if there are any other elements of that which will eventually open up beyond that or provide echoes back to those characters at a later point in that mythology. And yes, I do jump through multiple series at once rather unevenly at times, but especially in this case as Tales of a Flat Earth are written narrative whereas Der Ring das Nibelungen is an operatic play that means that consuming both of them takes a very different type of focus).

The Prosthesis-Wearer Heirloom that you get at the start of Gowry's Quest states, "Though born into the accursed rot, when the young girl encountered her mentor and his flowing blade, she gained wings of unparalleled strength." Her mentor is the Blind Swordsman who we know of from the Blue Dancer Charm, "The dancer in blue represents a fairy, who in legend bestowed a flowing sword upon a blind swordsman. Blade in hand, the swordsman sealed away an ancient god — a god that was Rot itself." and this, in turn reflects upon the relic enshrined at the Lake of Rot – the Scorpion Stinger, "Dagger fashioned from a great scorpion's tail, glistening with scarlet rot. A ceremonial tool used by heretics, crafted from the relic of a sealed outer god."

All of these are design elements which are amalgamated into a reconstituted form in Romina, Saint of the Bud.


Her Rotten Butterflies only trigger Scarlet Rot when they stop moving, and the incantation states, "Summons a myriad of butterflies while performing a gentle twirl. The butterflies break apart on contact, scattering rot and setting off a chain reaction. The scarlet butterflies are as the Goddess of Rot's wings. Bereft of a master, they were soothed by Romina, who reached out to them." focusing on that sense of abandonment, while her Poleblade has the same floating movement that Malenia does and emphasizes its symbolism, "Weapon of Romina, Saint of the Bud. A scarlet glaive with a dangling bud-like blade. Attacks cause buildup of rot. Once, in the crumbling, burning church, Romina held the bud in speechless silence. That bud would become her blade."

Not only is her body that of a butterfly-winged fairy & a flower petals & seeds fused with a centipede & scorpion, but the asset for the thorn-encircled stinger is even called a "Needle" which is the other crucial element, even having that form in the Ash of War, The Poison Flower Blooms Twice, which causes a recipient of Poison/Rot to detonate in a damage burst like Frostbite/Bleed, emphasizing the way in which that blooming occurs.


Romina's form of flowering rebirth is only possible after fire burns her church and opens the buds, and this is the same visual language that's used for the Erdtree supposedly never having seeds, and the various other reasons why it can't die, but why it explicitly needs to be burned for a new Elden Lord to ascend, as the Full Bloom forms of the Erdtree Guardians are more vulnerable to fire but receive more healing from the Erdtree's sap via the Flask of Tears as that's the form of the god which they're preying upon, but the similarly designed Curseblade Masks reduce the healing Flask's effectiveness as they're feeding on injuring themselves in an attempt to rise to godhood. This contextualizes Malenia's Great Rune and her relationship to the Haligtree, where the reduction of the healing flasks is offset by her sustainance from feeding on combat with others.

This is because her master the Blind Swordsman developed the guard-countering technique as per the Curved Sword Talisman, "It is said that a blind swordsman was the originator of this technique — the art of allowing one's opponent to strike so as to leave them vulnerable to a well-timed reply." This allows Malenia who is also blind to be able to still be effective in combat. The Flowing-Curved Sword which is being taken in a coffin to Ordina Liturgical Town (base of the Black Knives & entrance to the Haligtree) offers more, "Legends speak of a master of the sword garbed in blue, and his curved blade that was patterned after flowing water. Strong attack unleashes a series of strikes akin to a dance, offering a glimpse into the legend." This contextualizes the hovering, flowing movement that Malenia, Millicent, & the Black Knife Assassins all use.

Blue Silver is a metal borne of the same mother as the Albinaurics themselves, hence it being worn by the archers there, and also being the color of the armor of the Black Knife Assassins both in that same place. It provides protection against both magic & frost – both of the elements connected to Ranni's character, but in direct juxtaposition to the underlying theme that defines the Barbarians who also follow the same creed where their Blue Cloth symbolizes that flowing as the means by which Rot is prevented from victory, "Cowl of a nomadic warrior. The blue color of its fabric symbolizes brisk waters, as fluid and flowing as the sword in the hand of its wearer. Just as still waters turn foul, stagnation leads to decay. Warriors must remain ever-drifting." and is the underlying creed of Nepheli Loux becoming the rightful heir to Stormvale by defeating Godrick, Gideon, & Godfrey with you and refusing to allow the stagnant winds to take hold – especially as she sees the injustices of the Village of the Albinaurics which further interconnect these themes to Malenia and also outside of her.

In Ranni's case, that cold magic has to be made pliant through love & human connection to YOU as the player willingly being her Consort Eternal as she ascends to godhood and presides over the Age of Stars. This is in a reflected juxtaposition to the relationship that Miquella & Radahn have, which is an embodiment of the mirrored reverse of those things. This HEAVILY suggests that Radahn didn't agree to any form of that union, but that this was instead the result of Miquella's continued coercion & vision like the Miquella's Knight Sword removing glintstone & replacing it with Amber similarly to how Radagon gave the Amber egg with that rune to Rennala, "Sword forged by servants of Miquella of the Haligtree, with a design modeled after those carried by Carian knights. Instead of glintstone however, amber from the Haligtree is embedded in the blade. A sumptuous piece, yet it has never been offered to any knight — an ill-starred sword with no master."

An ill-starred dynasty looking to Radahn to control the stars FOR him.

The level of interconnection there being changed between some elements in the release version to what they were in 1.0 that make the differences more apparent and provide more context.

Blue Silver & the Albinaurics:
• Release version: "Chainmail armor crafted with blue silver. Worn by the wolf-riding Albinauric archers. Blue silver is a metal born from the same mother as the archers themselves, and provides protection from magic and frost."
1.0 Version: "Armor worn by females of the artificial lifeforms known as Children of Silver. Formed of the same silver from which these beings
are birthed, this is the only material that doesn't irritate their skin. These maids constructed in Raya Lucaria headed to the Paling Tower, to enter Miquella's service."

Loretta:
• Release Version: "Silver helm of Loretta, a knight who served Miquella's Haligtree. Loretta was once a royal Carian knight, and her lapis-lazuli blue cape is the emblem of the knightly pride that continues to guide her. Loretta, once a royal Carian knight, went on a journey in search of a haven for Albinaurics, and determined that the Haligtree was their best chance for eventual salvation."
• 1.0 Version: "Silver armor of the Arbor Sentinels who serve the sacred tree of Miquella, the Scion Empyrean. Hailing from Raya Lucaria, these enchanted knights once belonged to the Carian royal family, but were later gifted to Miquella, recipient of the Vision, by King Consort Radagon. The lapis blue trimmings reveal these origins."

Additionally there's the never-implemented Abundance Twinblade: "Twinblade that contain the power of the Rune of Abundance. The holy power within the blade can call upon part of Miquella's own strength." as well as the Abindance & Decay Twinblade: "Twinblade symbolizing twins Miquella and Malenia. Miquella and his sister were born from an inseparable fate. The blades contain the Runes of both Abundance and Decay." showing that there was an early conceptualization of Miquella's Rune that eventually changed.

This was implemented as the Legendary armament of the Tower, Euporia in Shadow of the Erdtree, took it in a different direction more in line with Godwyn the Golden, "Twinblade symbolizing abundance. The secret treasure of the tower. Though the blades, fashioned from golden shoots, are largely wilted and darkened, their luster can be restored by dealing damage to foes. However, damage dealt to Those Who Live in Death will have no such effect." which reflects that back in 1.0, all the Knights at the Haligtree have armor which states, "<armor piece> used by soldiers/knights of Miquella, the Golden Twin" showing that those themes, and how they connected to Godwyn in the main game as well as Shadow of the Erdtree are heavily in flux in how that relationship & Radahn's aren't really fully clarified at various points in the narrative, and remain in flux during a lot of development as those themes are shifted around and redefined.

The 1.0 version of the Haligtree is also the only location where the Oracles appear (as there are none in Leyndell) and the Bubble attacks that they utilize are all the same Glintstone Blue as those of the Claymen hinting at that shared origin, before they were altered in the release version to be Golden like the incantation, and starting to further shift some more of those elements again. (Hence the symbolism of The Dark Moon of Ranni & Eclipsed Sun of Godwyn as the two reflections of one another shifting more towards Ranni & Miquella).

There's also the detail that Radahn was still referred to as the "God of War" in 1.0, whereas Malenia's role was that of the "Red Queen" as per the Cleanrot Knight Equipment:
• Release Version: "Armor of the Cleanrot Knights, celebrated for their undefeated campaign in the Shattering. The Cleanrot Knights vowed to fight alongside Malenia, despite the inevitable, if gradual, putrefaction of their flesh. Their acceptance of their fate made these battles the fiercest of all."
• 1.0 Version: "Armor of a Wing Knight, honorbound to Malenia, the Red Queen. These knights, considered the strongest in the Shattering, descended upon General Radahn's army in an almighty battle, continuing to fight even as their bodies came apart. Only after their work was done did they allow themselves to succumb. Still plagued by the fungal rot deployed in that battle, the armor itself is decaying."

This really puts the two of them as THE ultimates of their respective factions vying for control post-Shattering. Even despite that, Malenia's equipment all focuses on herself as being a warrior and being relentless & rotten, whereas Radahn's focuses on him using his power for & out of kindness. Beyond the well-known example of the Remembrance of the Starscourge giving context to Radahn's relationship with his steed Leonard, "The Red Lion General wielded gravitational powers which he learned in Sellia during his younger days. All so he would never have to abandon his beloved but scrawny steed." There is also the altered lore between the Release Version & 1.0 that was noteworthy in establishing a similar element of his character even back at an earlier point.

The Longtail Cat Talisman in 1.0:
"A brooch depicting a long-tailed cat, known to be the beloved pet of General Radahn. Reduces fall damage. This black cat was known to have enjoyed jumping down from great heights; it would leap from the great bell-tower of Raya Lucaria as a kitten, and once fully grown, from the great heavenward roots that twisted through the Erdtree Capital skies."

The Longtail Cat Talisman in the Release Version:
"A brooch depicting Lacrima, the long-tailed cat. Grants immunity to fall damage, but does not prevent death from a high fall. Lacrima features in the fables of Raya Lucaria, in which she is described as a faerie cat who was fond of playing in the great bell tower."

Even while that's removed from the release version, the sense of who Radahn was, and that he loved the things about his heritage that even Radagon hesitated to embrace like the name "Redmanes" focuses on his lineage to the Giants, in addition to his leonine royal position. That kindness and acceptance are a core element to his character that make the nature of how he would respond to Miquella's request an inherently difficult one to answer, which is likely why we don't get an verbal acknowledgment one way or another. Moreso than ANY of that is that the moniker, "Miquella the Kind" that is used throughout Shadow of the Erdtree is used to emphasize that his kindness is anything but truth, which is in absolute antithesis to everything about Radahn's portrayal.

This brings things to the Carian & Leyndell unification which takes two forms – Ranni & the Elden Lord VS. Radahn & Miquella.

Radahn's choice seems fairly well defined now as in opposition given that he not ONLY didn't guide the stars to Miquella's favor – he arrested their movement completely to prevent his fate from being manipulated by ANYONE – which is about the ONLY possible way that Miquella would have been stopped, and also why he remained frozen in slumber during the entirety of the main game's campaign. He maintained this even as his mind rotted away and everything else aside from his kindness and protective inclination towards Leonard was erased from him, which reinforces the same thing that happens with Blaidd later on. That protective nature he clung to is in opposition to Miquella's use of him, rather than in alignment to it.

This also builds into how the Young Lion's Helm includes the quote from Malenia that she whispers to Radahn when she's fighting him in Caelid, "Miquella awaits thee, O promised consort." JUST before she blooms into the flower that obliterates Caelid and destroys Radahn's mind with Rot that reduces him to a crazed beast left clinging to the final vestiges of his humanity... and STILL keeping the stars firmly locked in their places. That Malenia's Scarlet Bloom could only have been triggered by an experience of Betrayal & Manipulation in equal parts at the delivery of this line reflects on Miquella's defiance towards Radahn's will, and using Malenia as a tool to obtain something even greater than herself for her brother.

This is something that you can actually see her say to him during the VERY first story cinematic narrated by Ranni, although we don't know if that was always what was planned as her line, it's fairly clear that there's a narrative here that's meant to represent that same elements as Gowry & Millicent's narrative. Malenia's death at Radahn's hand was Radahn's defiance against Miquella's plan which was seen as a betrayal. Rather than uniting the strongest of the Erdtree & Moon under The Shattering, it was keeping them separated.


Essentially, it seems as though Ranni's path has always been the sole path which is meant to show the Carians having agency, rather than Leyndell. Radahn's arresting of the stars froze her own future as well as his fate, which is what leads your path to need to bring an end to her brother's story, which aligns to the wishes of both Blaidd & Jerren.

When the topic of bringing Radahn back comes about Redmane Freyja explicitly mentions that Jerren would be opposed to the idea, and in him hunting down Sellen amongst other things dealing with preventing the sorcerous reconstitution of an individual into another's body also being thematically intertwined into the relationship that she had with Pidia/Seluvis.

If you attempt to attack & betray Ranni – she & Seluvis both vanish & Blaidd becomes hostile, indicating that the nature by which she was able to circumvent a natural death and attach herself to a puppet was likely connected to Seluvis' knowledge out of necessity, especially as we know that Seluvis is simply the puppet persona of Pidia, and he's previously attempted to gain some advantage over Ranni using an assassin disguised as Blaidd whose mask he find outside of his tower. Thus once Ranni gets the Finger Slayer Blade and is able to invert that relationship, Pidia's puppets turn on him and kill him, rendering Seluvis inert and enabling Ranni her freedom to act as she wishes.

During her slumber, Seluvis is also responsible for taking the Amber Starlight Shard that you take from in front of Miquella's Statue in Leyndell and turning it into a potion that he attempts to use to gain control of Ranni as a puppet before she can free herself from that bond. Doing this will have her banish you, and even instantly kill you if you attempt to continually interact with her after that betrayal. This is in a stark juxtaposition to giving a sleeping potion to Florissax, the Dragon Priestess who is forced to sacrifice her sleep to Lord Placidusax every night. If you give her Thiollier's Concoction while she sleeps, defeating Bayle & confessing this to her results in her pledging herself to you in exchange for that transgression, becoming the only Spirit Ash who speaks to you directly as her noble Lord. (In the second case, Florissax succumbing to that slumber is something she still sees as HER transgression, and is much closer to the Arthur, Guinevere, Lancelot dynamic).

Again, the same actions taken from a position where you have a different understanding of the agency of the relationship between both parties changes the nature of what you're doing for/to them. Again, this is in a VERY purposeful juxtaposition to the same dynamic between Gowry & Millicent as it's testing things about who you truly are. Is the woman you're helping simply an opportunity to acquire the most powerful tool that exists so that you can manipulate it for your own power – or are you considering specifically what SHE desires in addition to your own wants, as well as whether or not she's free enough to understand her own wishes. In Florissax's case her Incantation indicates she's never known love, and thus her attachment to Placidusax is one of absolute obligation where she has no choice, just like how the Needle removes the agency that Millicent has over herself even as it suppresses the Scarlet Rot to shape her into a tool as a means to an end, whereas Ranni's mission is about extracting herself from various forces that prevent her from having agency over herself.

This is the core of the decision for why you have to allow Melina to sacrifice herself as a kindling maiden, and not try to save her against her own will by becoming the kindling yourself via becoming host to the Three Fingers. You have to understand when denying someone's wishes is a path to heroism vs. when it is a path to damnation & destruction. The same is true for why you don't allow Zorayas to forget the horrible truth of the nature of her birth, nor do you spare her the pain by killing her. You defeat Rykard & free her from the system which would persecute or manipulate her regardless of her own agency.

(Note: Zorayas' story in Night's Master is an extremely painful story about her as the heir to a kingdom and the pain of self-loathing that is a result of the abuse & rape that she endured as a child leaving her physically deformed with a hunched stance nearly identical to Zorayas' human form in Elden Ring. Even as she becomes an unstoppably powerful queen, her inability to ever feel truly loved by anyone is eventually what leads to her own self-destruction, and thus the path where you kill Rykard & spare her to receive her letter in Elden Ring is specifically crafted such that you give this version of her story a way to experience something that is otherwise impossible for her to have obtained. This sort of meta narrative understanding for why that narrative has the focus that it does helps a lot in understanding the particulars of the pitfalls & other confrontations presented in Elden Ring).

This is to conclude that Radahn is placed into a position where his kindness & position put him into a place where despite his authority, there really isn't a good way for him to object to Miquella outright other than winning the scramble for power during The Shattering – which he did. The E3 2019 Announcement trailer also shows us more of that battle than we see anywhere else – Radahn in the aftermath of the attack, his body glowing and burning with gold in a field surrounded by lifeless corpses.


I can think of few moments that stand out more clearly as Radahn's answer to Miquella being "No." that stand more starkly than this, despite it being something that we never see in the game, and it being something that was even pre-Closed Beta Test, the core nature of Radahn seems as though it has always been designed to ensure that it evokes a sense of sympathy and justice in death, so that in Shadow of the Erdtree, the very idea of Radahn being forced back to life as a consort vessel for another's ascension to godhood feels like the abuse of power that it is, – even for one whose own power seems unmatched, it's still possible for him to be the victim of a power dynamic just as much as any of the demigods, or even Queen Marika herself.

So first & foremost is that in mythology the Snake & the Tree are a VERY well known interconnected pair. In the Samudra Manthana (the story of the Indras & Asuras creating Amrita that created the absolute cosmological divide between them), the serpent & king of the Nagas, Vasuki is used as the churning rope to churn the Ocean of Milk, the divine tree Kalpavriksha is one of the treasures emerging from that endeavour. There's also Nidhogg gnawing at the roots of Yggdrasil as well as Jörmungandr & Yggdrasil in Norse mythology, as well as the Edenian Serpent along with the Tree of the Knowledge of Good & Evil from Abrahamic mythology. (It's worth noting that the Serpent/Satan is not the same as the fallen angel Lucifer, just the same as the Tree of the Knowledge of Good & Evil is not the same as the Tree of Life – which is to say that most Western sources will directly conflate them as they're seen as the same in most contexts HOWEVER occasionally there are points where Japanese having a different approach to Abrahamic mythology will treat them as explicitly different entities, and can differentiate the symbolism that it attributes to those things, even before you get to the complicated elements of problematic messianic figures).

Simply put, Snakes & Trees have a particular relationship that involves an ideologically opposed nature to the endeavours of obtaining godlike powers or immortality, and how one is treasured while the other is feared. While churning the Ocean of Milk, Vasuki's poison Halahala is the antithesis of Amrita, making the link between the Indra & Asura schism fairly straightfoward. In Abrahamic mythology, the tree itself is the actual SOURCE of the forbidden fruit, but it isn't seen as anathema rather as something divinely sanctified – whereas the Serpent is trapped or otherwise blamed for the ills that come about despite the tree being at fault. This in particular makes them an EXTREMELY useful component of visual design language for creating entities in a Western Fantasy format that communicate themes well regardless of cultural background, but also adds in a number of paths for complexity about the true nature of the relationship between them

There is another DEEPLY important historical mythological element here which is Pandora's relationship to Eve. In the narrative of the Garden of Eden, Eve's temptation results in them being cast from the garden & humanity burdened with Sin, reinforcing that God's divinity is not to be questioned but obeyed as righteousness. However, in the mythology of Pandora, the tempter is the god Hermes/Mercury (whose lineage may trace back to a Mesopotamian serpent god), and the moral of the story is she is sent to Prometheus in punishment for his stealing fire, and that while all the evils escape HOPE is trapped inside such that none may defy the will of Zeus. Rather than God being righteously divine, the Zeus manipulates circumstances such that it is impossible for anyone to resist him out of fear of the horrors that he's caused a scapegoat to suffer, whilst boosting greater love of the one who actually created the suffering, and casting blame upon the Serpent who facilitated accelerated that as an even worse evil.

Notably, the underlying mechanics of an omniscient, omnipotent god placing beings with free will in a finite space for an eternal period of time, without the knowledge of the difference between good & evil, AND placing a tempter within that space means that it's a statistical impossibility for Adam & Eve NOT to eventually eat the fruit of the tree & be cast out, so they are functionally the same story. This is a large component to how the Roman Empire's transition to Christianity utilizing religion as a tool for imperial unification likely became extremely effective in understanding ways to change the moral lesson from a known story structure to one that focuses on obedience & faith in absolute authority rather than understanding that it should always be seen for what it is. This overlaps with how the initial unification of Japan into a singular empire used Buddhism in the same way as a tool for unification, and the Shinto traditions became embedded within that. Both of those are critical & core elements of historical context with interconnected elements that are deeply explored in both Nausicaä of the Valley of the Wind as well as in BERSERK, which make them easy to assimilate into the core components of mythology in the Souls series with its focus on the moral questions around Promethean fire, and eventually bringing a different form of that into Elden Ring as well.

This now brings us to Elden Ring's core mythology where there are a few outer gods that we know of indirectly, the only one who has an active presence that's also one of the eldest is the Serpent-God that Rykard feeds himself to. The Recusants of Volcano Manor stand in an antithetical relationship to Leyndell & the Erdtree, as both are now in a form where they simply seek to consume everything else and overpower the other – which is a monstrous fate regardless of who wins, hence the need for the Serpent to be slain before it destroys the world as Rykard saw in his vision just before he was devoured AND for the Erdtree to burn as well.

Prior to the Age of the Erdtree, the Deathbirds tended the Ghostflame to burn the dead to ashes where their sacrificial rites were focused on the spirit (restores FP), and the Serpent-God used sacrificial offerings to bring biological life to others hence finding the Serpend-God's Curved Sword on the Ruin-Strewn Precipice underneath one of the Land Octopus whose ovaries require human blood for reproduction (this and Rykard's Blasphemous Blade from within the Serpent's own body both restore HP on kill).

Additionally, the Triple Serpent motif on the Taker's Cameo talisman that also restores HP on kill is the same serpent motif used on the crossguards for Messemer's Spear of the Impaler, and this motif ALSO exists at the base of the ice-lightning Dragon Halberd. This seems to hint at some of the disconnected elements of the artificial draconic nature that link to themes of consuming others hearts for their power in Dragon Communion. The Ancient Dragonkin Soldiers name is identical to the Ancient Dragon-Man in the Lands of Shadow in Japanese, so I'm not sure if the differentiation between Dragon-Man & Dragonkin were intentional or overlooked in the Shadow of the Erdtree localization. Suffice to say that the Serpent itself is about an amalgamation of power through taking a physical element of one being into/onto oneself. We see the Lesser Dragons assimilating those things into themselves, just as we see the Serpent-Snails doing the same to their environments.

This leads to the most ancient practice which is that of the Godskins. The pieces of the Godskin Noble's set states that, "Nobles are the most ancient apostles who are said to have assimilated inhuman physiology. Not unlike the crucible, the Erdtree in its primordial form." where as the Godskin Apostle set indicates more about them, "The apostles, once said to serve Destined Death, are wielders of the god-slaying black flame. But after their defeat by Maliketh, the Black Blade, the source of their power was sealed away." So, we know that not only did they serve the Gloam-Eyed Queen, the physical powers that they wield are Serpentine in nature, and they also possess a Black Flame (originally the type of fire that was going to consume the Erdtree when Melina acts as its Kindling).

The Godskin Duo are located at the Dragon Temple within Farum Azula, and the position of the draconic head in this place is important because this ritualistic setup is mirrored at the Temple of Eiglay with the cast off skin of the Serpent God, where you discover the Serpent's Amnion which was the result of the birthing ritual by which Zorayas was created. This location is especially notable as mythologically the name comes from the Lithuanian Eglė the Queen of Serpents.

In the mythology, Elgė discovers a snake in her clothes and it agrees to leave if she agrees to marry it. She consents, and when three days later thousands of snakes arrive her family attempts to deceive them with other offerings until threatened, they give up Eglė to them as she promised. Her bridegroom, Žilvinas the prince of snakes appears in human form and takes her to their subterranean, undersea palace where they have 4 children. One day when her children ask about her family, they are initially forbidden to return but eventually permitted and told the incantation to summon him and instructed to tell no one else. However, now that she's back her family doesn't want to let them return and plot to kill Žilvinas, frightening the children until the youngest daughter gives up the incantation, and her family murders Žilvinas. Upon learning that her husband is dead when she calls out to him, she turns her children and then herself all irreversably into living trees.

The incantation "Žilvinas, dear Žilvinėlis, If alive – may the sea foam milk, If dead – may the sea foam blood…" has a particularly good overlap into the themes with the Samudra Manthana's Ocean of Milk & Halahala poison, but this tale's location also has a strong overlap to the Dragon Palace from Japanese mythology with the Rip Van Winkle-like tale of Urashima Taro who is invited to the undersea palace after rescuing a turtle and spends a few days with the princess Otohime and is given the Tamatebako to protect him from harm – so long as he never opens it. When he returns to land, he discovers he's been gone for more than a hundred years, and upon opening the box, ages instantly. Another parallel to Pandora's Box with a different lesson, but which helps to frame the context between humans & the draconic passage of time being interconnected to these themes, and the Subterranean lairs that have to be reached via supernatural means (the Sending Gate through the secret Man-Serpent throne room in Volcano Manor, or Lady Tanith sending you there).

This circles around into two elements that we know for certain – The Gloam-Eyed Queen (almost certainly Melina) is bodyless, and her brother Messemer is intertwined with the Serpents that Marika represses and hides away in the Lands of Shadow to disconnect them as her own children. The Serpents became the scapegoat for Erdtree's tool of vengeance & hatred as the Duelists in that attire were driven from the Colosseums, "The snake is viewed as a traitor to the Erdtree, and the audience delighted in seeing these bronze effigies beaten and battered." However, the shed Snake skin outside of Bonny Village where nearby the body of one of the Shaman is growing into a tree speaks that it was the SNAKE who was first betrayed. Even further reinforcing that element is the fact that Enir-Ilim is build from bodies, and the Golden Trees found throughout are ALSO made of things that were once human. Messemer is the force that the Empyrean Grandam in Belurat thinks ill of even as the Tower above is replete with the trees of the once-living. No matter if it's in the Lands Between or the Lands of Shadow – the Serpent is reviled.

This creates a circumstance that mythologically reinforces the role of characters like the Serpent, Satan, & Judas – where the salvation of everyone else is only possible to be facilitated with them acting as a scapegoat and for all of the love to be forever irrevocably turned away from them. Like Messemer, if they draw their definition from that relationship, it's exploring a different avenue of Morgott loving and protecting a kingdom which will never love him in return & Mohg despising and wanting to overthrow a kingdom which will never embrace the accursed Hornsent – but Messemer would burn both of them to death regardless, because that is what his mother willed him to do. However, this betrayal has VERY poetic consequences which is that everyone is turned into trees by being hewn into the Erdtree as the form of immortality, such that that the Serpents are creatures of flame who serve as the kindling to burn them away, no matter how immortal they are. Summoned Spirits are from the ashes of those who didn't return to the Erdtree.

Messemer's Kindling, "The kindling that burned inside Messmer the Impaler. A dark thing, eaten away at by a wicked serpent. Burns the sealing tree said to be found at the old Rauh ruins. Messmer, much like his younger sister, bore a vision of fire." Despite that dark component, the Winged Serpents bound into his body are anything but base & wicked, but rather they are kind & accepting as his Helm states. "Black helm of Messmer the Impaler, crowned with two intertwined winged serpents. Slightly enhances incantations of Messmer's flame as well as Fire Knight skills. The winged snakes were Messmer's constant companions. They were there when the base serpent was sealed away behind his eye. They were there through his eternity of suffering. They will accompany him yet, in his hideous new form, born when he destroyed the grace granted by his mother. They have accepted his fate as much as he." They bear the transformation with dignity & comfort that nothing else would offer even as what they represent and bring about is reviled by ALL.

The base-game's Candletree Wooden Shield is found with the Black Knife Assassin & Necromancer, and its symbolism used pervasively within the Haligtree, "Thought to represent a surreptitious prophecy of cardinal sin, the lit candle-tree design was forbidden." and even the Catch Flame incantation, "Incantation originating from a sinister prophecy. Momentarily sparks flame from the caster's hand. This incantation can be cast without delay after performing another action. The flame of ruin is anathema to the Erdtree. But prophets sometimes glimpse it within the faith all the same. Sadly when this occurs their sole reward is banishment." though The Shattering started to expose some of that hypocrisy with the Perfumer's Spark Aromatic, "Art of the perfumers who fought In the Shattering. Craftable with a perfume bottle. Uses FP to broadly scatter sparks in a wide arc straight ahead. Though fire was prohibited to those who served the Erdtree, this rule was forgotten as the war drew ever on."

This is also why Leyndell's core design has a VERY particular design element that all of the natural lighting in the entire city is NOT from flame. It's from glowing flower petals placed into chandeliers and other candle-holders. The presence of torches & other fire sources are because in 1.0 Leyndell didn't have any resident forces, and it was occupied by the Dragon Communion practicing Exiled Knights who were there to worship Gransax, and those torches all follow specifically where they've gone through the city. This is one of those rather meticulous details that's obfuscated by the changes made for the release version and wasn't fully redesigned so there is some contradiction to its portrayal that doesn't make sense without the original design context.

So, this would suggest that the Serpents were the original source of the Shaman's power to be able to assimilate the flesh of others into themselves, which lead to their persecution at Bonny Village with them being put into Jars to purify the spirits of the convicts and turn them into saints in the form of the Living Jars. This also gives context on why the Godskin Apostles are wearing what appears to be supple human skin, but gaining Serpentine powers akin to the Primordial Crucible. There seems to have been some direct relationship between the Serpent-God & the Shaman, but there was a seduction & betrayal of some kind – something which is EXPLICITLY STATED when speaking about the beginning about how Marika obtained her power at the Gate of Divinity that split things between Gold & Shadow.


And what of the Shaman village where Marika came from?

No one there is alive. The only thing we find is yet again, another person turned into a tree, and the central thing in that place? The location of the Minor Erdtree incantation – a spell that ONLY Melina casts in the base game if you summon her to fight against King Morgott. "Secret incantation of Queen Marika. Only the kindness of gold, without Order. Creates a small, illusory Erdtree that continuously restores the HP of nearby allies. Marika bathed the village of her home in gold, knowing full well that there was no one to heal."

There is a CONSTANT layer of continually obfuscated betrayal & overwriting of history by those in power, with only tiny little elements peeking through to force questions to the perspectives that you're being shown when everything doesn't quite add up. Like the torches in Leyndell, this is oftentime just residual inconsistency of changes in the design decisions that don't fully penetrate to what's been implemented in development just as much as they are at their point of inception something that is at one time deeply & fully understood as an outlying element of the narrative that has its own tiny story often bolstered by an external knowledge of history or local mythology to cultural references that are assimilated & syncretized to make multiple avenues of interpretation valid.

Given that this form of the shed serpent skin only appears at the Temply of Eiglay in Volcano Manor & outside of Bonny Village just beyond where a woman is turned into a tree – I think that that specifically is reason to look at that mythology as an implied element of some of the narrative that we don't see directly between the Snake-God & Erdtree in the conflict that took place between Marika & the Gloam-Eyed Queen that resulted in Destined Death being sealed away.

One other reinforcing detail to this is one of the ONLY remaining pieces of VASTLY different lore from 1.0 which are the Skeletal Militiamen Ashes:
• Release Version: "Ashen remains in which spirits yet dwell. Use to summon the spirits of two skeletal militiamen. These are the spirits of militiamen who live in Death, and will continue to rise again until properly finished off. This is the grotesque fate of those who come into contact with Deathroot."
• 1.0 Version: "Spirit ashes. Summons the spirits of two skeletal men-at-arms from nearby a rebirth monument found throughout the land. (Summoning consumes FP.) Following the Night of Black Knives, fragments of death were strewn throughout the realm, giving birth to those who lived beyond death. This valiant pair of soldiers were touched by a fragment of death while defending their village."

This presents a version of the lore which was VERY different, and where the presence of the Black Flame robbed of its god-slaying powers was much more prevalent. This and Ghostflame weren't really differentiated well, and even Ghostflame didn't get its frostbiting nature until later on. The narrative around this particular purpose of Melina acting as Kindling & being this reflection of Marika also reaches back to elements like Miranda's Prayer & the Flower Crucible as unused items that Melina holds in addition to being able to use the Minor Erdtree incantation that reflect very different forms that the story had interconnected into the flower & butterfly design elements about Marika's children early on.

What I think is MOST interesting is that a Godskin Apostle wielding the Godskin Peeler, surrounded by flame in a temple was one of the VERY first pieces of promotional Concept Art EVER released of Elden Ring, and given that Messemer has the EXACT same overly-elongated physical body proportions directly intertwined with benevolent winged Serpents, those particular mythological elements being about the facilitation of the death of the gods themselves & how to wield that power were parts of the conflict that existed in early moments of the story that were overwritten in multiple forms before we got to the version that exists, but remain such that there are glimpses of that influence still in a way that feels ancient and overwritten – but not forgotten.

Also, thanks for those. Elden Ring's soundtrack is just... so damn good.


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