ERRORS in article "This Just In: the LTD is Over"

[Cthulhu]

you do know using hashtags is a bannable offense right?

 

[Jason Tandro]

you do know using hashtags is a bannable offense right?

Hey man I'm old-school. They're not hashtags, they're pound signs.

That said with the knowledge that irritating the almighty Yop is a bannable offense, I contritely bow out and leave this offering of bacon and Ring Pops.

Spoiler

 

[Geostigma]

They're not hashtags, they're pound signs.

#Poundsign

 

[Carlie]

Fly you fools. Winter is coming.

Did you...did you just mix LOTR with Game of Thrones?!

Can I ban her for that heresy?

edit: him. it. what is it, precious?

ASOIAF is better than LOTR.

 

[Jason Tandro]

ASOIAF is better than LOTR.

I beg to differ.

 

[Tennyo]

Excuse me.

ASOIAF wouldn't even exist if LOTR hadn't come first.

*Mic drop*

 

[Cthulhu]

Well if we're going there, LOTR wouldn't even exist if Beowulf hadn't come first,

(or whatever it was)

 

[Octo]

NERRRRRRDWAAAAARRR!

 

[Dashell]

If we're turning another LTD thread into a spam fest again, I want the lesbian porn back

 

[Jason Tandro]

If we're turning another LTD thread into a spam fest again, I want the lesbian porn back

Spoiler: Granted SFW

Spoiler: Granted NSFW

 

[Octo]

What the fuck happened to Tifas leg in the first one?

 

[Fangu]

CxB is canon anyway.

STOP STEALING PEOPLE'S PUNCHLINES

...it was funnier than mine though

 

[Anastar]

If we're turning another LTD thread into a spam fest again, I want the lesbian porn back

That might fly if this really was an LTD thread.

Since it's not an LTD thread but everyone wants to pretend that it is and make a big deal out of talking the LTD when it's not about the LTD makes me think the whole point o this spamming is just an attempt to avoid addressing the actual point.

I do thank Tres and Ryu for the annotations, but I have no respect for letting this turn into a spamfest just because it's a convenient way out of answering my other points directly. Pretty cheap, if you ask me

Ylou two know i'm right - the FTOIL page does NOT verify that Cloud and Tifa had sex nor does it prove that they have the status of lovers at the beginning of AC/ACC, yet that's what Ryu's article states That's an outright error about the content of the FTOIL page, but you'd rather let everyone keep thinking that's what it means.

If anything, the mere fact that the FTOIL page uses a pic from Scene 137 that is the same in both the HA and LA scenes means that other references in other Ultimania's to Cloud and Tifa sharing mutual feelings under the HW is also referring to Scene 137 and not to Scene 136.

Since the pic is the same in both the HA and LA versions that also means that the HA version is not canon because there are mutual feelings shared in both versions according to the FTOIL page.

But just avoid those points by using a spamfest or or by claiming that I'm talking the LTD instead of about inaccurate statements in Ryu's article because you'd rather let the myth created by Ryu's article be perpetuated.

Letting this turn into a spamfest is much easier than facing up to facts, isn't it?

 

[Octo]

It's a spamfest because nobody here cares about the LTD and we kinda resent the idea of picking a two year old scab just because of some insane people elsewhere on the internet that still give a shit about this.

Tres has already given you an answer.

 

[The Twilight Mexican]

Anastar, the facts on the table being faced up to are that these folks simply do not care one way or the other. The LTD is a matter of ridicule to the majority of FFVII fans aware that it's a thing in the first place.

No one is avoiding anything. They're simply taking the piss out of what they see as an asinine preoccupation -- regardless of which "side" is being represented.

1st Class Soldier didn't get a warmer welcome than you despite her differing sensibilities (not that either of you should be getting a cold one).

As I've told you for a number of years, most FFVII fans -- here and elsewhere -- don't have much investment in this shipping war. Here in particular, the LTD is regarded as a cesspool.

At best, folks in general here have a morbid fascination with it because of its propensity to devolve into sludge. Which is what you're feeding into right now by taking this too seriously and assuming your concerns are their concerns (you're also bordering on flaming, if not crossing that border).

Which doesn't even go into that you insisted this thread isn't meant to debate the merits of any particular interpretations of LTD material in the first place. You can't exactly go getting offended by how not seriously people are taking this when you insisted this thread didn't belong in the "Let's take it seriously" section to begin with.

If it makes you feel any better, I've also been made fun of over the attention I gave the LTD. Even here. As recently as yesterday.

 

[Carlie]

If you actually browsed around the forum you would notice that this is a thing we do all the time. A thread gets heated we lighten the mood and silly it up, we don't do that in important/serious threads of which this thread is neither.

We know your stance on the FTOIL page and Cloud/Tifa having sex/being in a relationship after the game, you have gone on and on about this on your previous visits. We're not avoiding your points, most of us simply do not care about any of this.

 

[Jason Tandro]

but I have no respect for letting this turn into a spamfest just because it's a convenient way out of answering my other points directly. Pretty cheap, if you ask me

Honestly you shouldn't take that part of it too seriously. Pretty much EVERY thread on this forum invariably turns into some massive derailment / spamfest.

Ylou two know i'm right ...
Letting this turn into a spamfest is much easier than facing up to facts, isn't it?

This attitude is really not helping convince us that your motivation is pure, and it's bordering on a rules violation.

 

[Tennyo]

If we're turning another LTD thread into a spam fest again, I want the lesbian porn back

That might fly if this really was an LTD thread.

Since it's not an LTD thread but everyone wants to pretend that it is and make a big deal out of talking the LTD when it's not about the LTD makes me think the whole point o this spamming is just an attempt to avoid addressing the actual point.

I do thank Tres and Ryu for the annotations, but I have no respect for letting this turn into a spamfest just because it's a convenient way out of answering my other points directly. Pretty cheap, if you ask me

Ylou two know i'm right - the FTOIL page does NOT verify that Cloud and Tifa had sex nor does it prove that they have the status of lovers at the beginning of AC/ACC, yet that's what Ryu's article states That's an outright error about the content of the FTOIL page, but you'd rather let everyone keep thinking that's what it means.

If anything, the mere fact that the FTOIL page uses a pic from Scene 137 that is the same in both the HA and LA scenes means that other references in other Ultimania's to Cloud and Tifa sharing mutual feelings under the HW is also referring to Scene 137 and not to Scene 136.

Since the pic is the same in both the HA and LA versions that also means that the HA version is not canon because there are mutual feelings shared in both versions according to the FTOIL page.

But just avoid those points by using a spamfest or or by claiming that I'm talking the LTD instead of about inaccurate statements in Ryu's article because you'd rather let the myth created by Ryu's article be perpetuated.

Letting this turn into a spamfest is much easier than facing up to facts, isn't it?

tl;dr post, but Anastar I hope you will please read it, because I'm being completely serious here:

First of all, Tres is right: the truth of the matter is the majority of TLS has never cared much about the LTD. Back when it was actively being debated here and the active forum population was much bigger it was a very small percentage of members who actually posted in there. Ergo, most people just simply don't think it's a big deal, and it's unfair that you expect them to think that is is.

Second, Carlie is right. Threads will derail into silliness for a page or two before getting back on topic if the topic is getting heated. That's pretty standard for TLS. It's not something special for just this thread. It's how we keep from getting angry.

Third, Anastar as I said before, I think you should try to get to know people on TLS outside of anything even remotely LTD related. That was the biggest topic of contention back in the day, that people would come here from the CxA forum, make a few posts in the LTD thread, then when they realized people weren't automatically falling at their feet and declaring them right (i.e. people dared to have opposing opinions), they would run off and talk a lot of shit, claiming we were some rude, rabid Cloti forum despite the fact that the LTD was only ONE THREAD and the vast majority of our members didn't even post in it. Most of the Clerith debaters would not post in other threads. None of them tried to get to know us and befriend us. The LTD was the only thing about FFVII that seemed to matter and we were all evil for not agreeing. That's why people hate this topic so much and anything even remotely related to it.

Fourth, Tres and Ryu did what you requested as an act of good will/olive branch. Isn't that what you wanted? Because to be honest they were under no obligation to do so, so why are you still here getting angry at everyone else? TLS doesn't owe you anything. I'm sorry but that's the straight up truth.

Fifth, not everyone agrees with you, and no, we are not bad people because of it. I don't agree with a single thing you just said about the FTOIL page in your post. Not a single bit of it. Not trying to start something but that's just the facts. But you'll also never agree with me so what's the point in debating? Why don't we just move on and talk about something else?

Sixth, trolls will be trolls and there is nothing you can do to stop it. To illustrate my point: have you ever seen "How to Train your Dragon?" In addition to two movies it has three different TV series one of which just got a third season on Netflix, and so it has a very active fandom. But when I go onto fandom blogs to check out people's reactions I see a lot of contention and trolling over the franchise's main pairing of Hiccup and Astrid (because people think he would be better with Merida from Brave or something which doesn't even make sense...). Kind of like with the FFVII LTD except for the small fact that Hiccup and Astrid are unquestionably canon.

Spoiler

So if people act like trolls over a canon pairing what makes you think they'll stop over the LTD? Why do you think TLS needs to step up to stop it? I can't help but think deep down inside you might secretly blame us.

I had more but I think I'll stop there.

Just please, Anastar. If you truly want "peace" or whatever I hope you'll read my whole post and listen to what I say...

 

[Geostigma]

If we're turning another LTD thread into a spam fest again, I want the lesbian porn back

That might fly if this really was an LTD thread.

Since it's not an LTD thread but everyone wants to pretend that it is and make a big deal out of talking the LTD when it's not about the LTD makes me think the whole point o this spamming is just an attempt to avoid addressing the actual point.

I do thank Tres and Ryu for the annotations, but I have no respect for letting this turn into a spamfest just because it's a convenient way out of answering my other points directly. Pretty cheap, if you ask me

Ylou two know i'm right - the FTOIL page does NOT verify that Cloud and Tifa had sex nor does it prove that they have the status of lovers at the beginning of AC/ACC, yet that's what Ryu's article states That's an outright error about the content of the FTOIL page, but you'd rather let everyone keep thinking that's what it means.

If anything, the mere fact that the FTOIL page uses a pic from Scene 137 that is the same in both the HA and LA scenes means that other references in other Ultimania's to Cloud and Tifa sharing mutual feelings under the HW is also referring to Scene 137 and not to Scene 136.

Since the pic is the same in both the HA and LA versions that also means that the HA version is not canon because there are mutual feelings shared in both versions according to the FTOIL page.

But just avoid those points by using a spamfest or or by claiming that I'm talking the LTD instead of about inaccurate statements in Ryu's article because you'd rather let the myth created by Ryu's article be perpetuated.

Letting this turn into a spamfest is much easier than facing up to facts, isn't it?

 

[The Twilight Mexican]

Tennyo's post there sums it all up as best as it can be said, Anastar.

If you're going to judge the members here by how non-seriously they regard a toxic shipping dispute for a 20-year-old video game, you don't have any business asking anything of them or this site.

You are more than welcome to be a member here and post anywhere on the forum, from now to doomsday, but that kind of behavior you displayed in your last post is not welcome now or ever.

If you had let well enough alone, folks would have gotten bored of taking the piss before another page had filled. Now they probably just want to have another go round at how serious some people get over this stupid topic.

That being said, I'm asking that we all let it go now and move on. If Anastar has anything she would like to say now that the air is as clear as it can possibly get, we'll let that be the final post on this matter. Otherwise, consider this thread closed.

 

[ForceStealer]

Indeed. One of the things I love about Final Fantasy VII is how incidental the "love story" is to the plot. It doesn't lean on it as a crutch, and allows the player to come to their own conclusions about it, and in that way it's more natural/realistic. The LTD obsession robs of the game of one of its more inspired narrative elements.

 

[Anastar]

I know you consider this topic closed, Tres, but I know of no other way to answer what you said.

but that kind of behavior you displayed in your last post is not welcome now or ever.

And the only reason I took that attitude was because I felt that was the attitude being directed toward me. I felt brushed off and ignored, so I "retaliated" (for lack of a better word.) I knew what I said would be resented but it was the only way I could think of to stop the spamfest. Guess what? It worked.

Yes, you did the annotations and I appreciate that. However, you never responded to or answered the points I brought up about how I see Ryu's article as being inaccurate. Neither did anyone else.

That was the biggest topic of contention back in the day, that people would come here from the CxA forum, make a few posts in the LTD thread, then when they realized people weren't automatically falling at their feet and declaring them right (i.e. people dared to have opposing opinions), they would run off and talk a lot of shit, claiming we were some rude, rabid Cloti forum despite the fact that the LTD was only ONE THREAD and the vast majority of our members didn't even post in it.

And if you'd ever read my posts on the CxA Forum, you would see that in the past five years or so, I have openly disagreed with such posts and stuck up for the people on TLS, including Tres and Ryu. I've also said numerous times on the CA forum as well as on Tumblr that I consider Cloti to be a possible as well as valid interpretation of the FFVII Compilation even though I disagree with it.

 

[The Twilight Mexican]

I know you consider this topic closed, Tres, but I know of no other way to answer what you said.

but that kind of behavior you displayed in your last post is not welcome now or ever.

And the only reason I took that attitude was because I felt that was the attitude being directed toward me. I felt brushed off and ignored, so I "retaliated" (for lack of a better word.) I knew what I said would be resented but it was the only way I could think of to stop the spamfest. Guess what? It worked.

Yes, you did the annotations and I appreciate that. However, you never responded to or answered the points I brought up about how I see Ryu's article as being inaccurate. Neither did anyone else.

You weren't brushed off, at least not by me or Lex. We directly responded that discussing/debating that matter (why Ryu's comments were or weren't accurate) requires getting into the minutiae of the LTD. You acknowledged as much earlier in this thread even.

This thread is neither in the appropriate section for getting into that topic nor do I (or anyone else but Que apparently) have any interest in getting into that.

I mean, why would I? I said everything I have to say about the FTOIL page in the "Dilly Dally, Shilly Shally" analysis.

At this point, even I don't care enough about the LTD to talk about that page any longer. Imagine how disinterested folks who never cared to begin with are.

If you really, really want to talk about it, I can move this thread to the LTD section of the forum, and maybe someone will feel like engaging you on it. I won't be one of them, but perhaps someone will want to.

Let me know if that's what you want. Otherwise, this thread has run its course and I'm locking it so that no more unproductive interactions come out of it.

 

[Tennyo]

And if you'd ever read my posts on the CxA Forum, you would see that in the past five years or so, I have openly disagreed with such posts and stuck up for the people on TLS, including Tres and Ryu. I've also said numerous times on the CA forum as well as on Tumblr that I consider Cloti to be a possible as well as valid interpretation of the FFVII Compilation even though I disagree with it.

No, I never read them because I'm not a member of that forum. Thank you for standing up for us. That was very noble of you. However I think it's a bit unfair that I am expected to have joined.

Just please try to see things from our perspective. Did you read the rest of my post?

 

[Dashell]

This thread is neither in the appropriate section for getting into that topic nor do I (or anyone else but Que apparently) have any interest in getting into that.

I don't want to talk about it either actually. I just made one comment... actually Im a tad confused I thought everything worked out but then I found out people were unhappy still. I think I missed a page or something


EDIT
yeah apparently I skipped over page 5's content somehow. Sorry I thought everything was settled and everyone was just spamming