Everything Wrong with Final Fantasy IX

[NC1234567]

Sakaguchi was the producer on VII, why would he have been involved in this? By this logic every single Square employee not referenced in this interview was involved in the plot to kill off the cast of VII, lol.

Regardless, Sakaguchi is not a good writer.

Troll on

Again, not trolling, I am being completely serious.

 

[NC1234567]

It was a pretty terrible and nonsensical example. Astronomy and physics are not anything close to JRPG opinions. Comparisons should be somewhat similar and equivalent to each other. Otherwise they come off as ridiculous and stupid.

And I never once said FFIX was an "objectively" good game. That's a stupid claim to make in the first place. Taste and favorites are inherently subjective; there is no "objectively" good or bad FF game or any video game.

The argument was about majority vs minority though, and thinking that majority automatically equals fact, which is a fallacy. Let’s just drop the whole sales thing already.

Oh really? Not even Superman 64? Or Atari E.T. which caused the great video game crash? Those aren’t OBJECTIVELY bad? You are just playing the “relativism” card now, which is bullshit. Also I never said IX was a steaming pile of shit, at worst it’s one of the weakest mainline games.

I don't need to read your full screed to understand your feelings and opinions on IX. You've made those perfectly clear.

It's absolutely ridiculous how much energy and effort you've poured into a game you dislike so much. Like, genuinely it's extremely bizarre. I don't like most modern Pokemon games since Black & White, but you know what I don't do?

Dedicate hours writing pages dissecting a video game I hate or think is "overrated" and then try to farm engagement for it from people across the internet.

Like, are you even monetizing this? What is this effort for??

And yet you asked up above on why what I am saying should be considered valid facts, which you would get if you read my commentary. If you are so curious as to what my thought process is, just read it already! You aren‘t even going to read the legit things I pointed out like the huge plot hole of why did Garland even need to make an “Angel of Death” like Zidane and Kuja in the first place when he already has the perfect weapon of the powerful Invincible airship that not even Alexander could stand up to help speed up the soul swapping?

You are just making strawman views on me.

Also why would I want to make money from this? This is isn’t about money, this is about effort and passion. I‘ve already said this before so I’ll just quote it here:

I am not just “shitting” on FFIX, it’s constructive criticism, stop making ad hominem attacks, I want IX’s issues to be fixed and improved on, like the VII Remake did with the Midgar Segment (let’s leave the whispers out of this), I’m trying to draw more attention to problems like Garnet’s stupidity and the poorly done love story, so that, hopefully, the upcoming IX cartoon, and a potential IX remak will change these things.

And finally…

Tell you what. Why don't you make a youtube video of this. Start a youtube channel, make some vids on your ridiculously bad, hot takes regarding Final Fantasy. Put somes ads on it, and at least your white hot rage for FFIX will get you paid. Stack that paper with your anger towards FFIX and make it meaningful in some way. Turn what you hate into what you love and at least there will be some purpose to your frothing at the mouth rage over FFIX. Because right now this is just weird.

Like, I genuinely don't get what your endgame with all this is. So much energy for something so meaningless.

I don’t know how to even make a YouTube video, that’s part of why I did this review commentary instead, did you consider that? Stop making assumptions about me, hating IX isn’t my entire life, I am not going to become another money launder on YouTube, which has been going downhill every since it gave in to capitalism and commercialism, I especially am not going to give into dumb ads.

I don’t need your advice.

I’m not the only one who has heavily criticized IX, this Russian guy called “Final Fantasy? Whatever” did as well: https://www-finalfantasywhatever-co..._sl=ru&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_sch=http

 

[LNK]

Again, not trolling, I am being completely serious

There's no way lol. You act as if you're bringing objective facts, when what you said about the crystals and Garnet, clearly aren't. As Mako said, you're being as subjective as everyone else with your review.

The argument was about majority vs minority though, and thinking that majority automatically equals fact, which is a fallacy. Let’s just drop the whole sales thing already.

And as pointed out, your example was horrendous. A good example would've been something else subjective.

Also I never said IX was a steaming pile of shit, at worst it’s one of the weakest mainline games.

And you're entitled to that opinion. Nobody is taking that away from you. What people are disagreeing on (at least I am) is that, it isn't true for everyone. It's not nostalgia that's driving our opinions either.

 

[LNK]

I’m not the only one who has heavily criticized IX, this Russian guy called “Final Fantasy? Whatever” did as well: https://www-finalfantasywhatever-co..._sl=ru&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_sch=http

This review puts ff9 at number 10/100, of all ps1 games

Top 100 PS1 Review: #10 – Final Fantasy IX (1999)

I Haven’t Cried This Much Since… FFX 😢. Has there been a more relatable, unrelatable character than Vivi?

thetop100.blog

 

[Lestat]

Seriously guys has jairus accepted Jessie's finally dead and moved tactics?

 

[LNK]

And since when was 7, 10 and 12 considered the golden age? Lol

 

[roku]

You do realize that XV is very clearly an unfinished game, especially with Nomura kicked off the project. Lunafreya at least never got anyone killed due to her stupidity, unlike Garnet.

“make sense for her as a character.”? Garnet’s character sucks and is extremely cliché, she is a naïve princess stereotype.

Garnet’s decisions were selfish and stupid, She quite literally goes back and hands her entire selection of eidolons to her mother after all the hard work Zidane and Tantalus did to get her ass out of the kingdom. In the end Garnet is the one responsible for giving her mother magic nuclear weaponry that annihilated Cleyra, seriously hurt Lindblum and then Alexandria itself killing god knows how many people.

But hey, we're talking about a game where a war criminal is never confronted about the shit she did and is left to stay as an unbeatable mary sue.

“Zidane has to accept”?! Zidane risked his life for her to get her out of Alexandria and to Lindblum because he loved her, and how does she repay him? By drugging and abandoning him, If I were Zidane, I would have been really upset with her after losing a close friend in the attempt to rescue her only for her to decide to blow me off and making the whole thing meaningless.

This quote from chapter four sums it up:

"Muh independence and muh mummy"

Good lord is this woman is selfish, nobody is truly independent Garnet, and yeah because your own decision right now will work out "just fine", also you already made your own decisions before like getting out of Alexandria, yet you're butthurt because your uncle Cid already had the same idea of getting you out of Alexandria, and also Zidane and the others thinking just "talking to your mom" wasn't a good idea (especially since you didn't try to do this when you had the chance before fleeing from home, something you'd assume a woman who had an otherwise perfect relationship with her mother would do FIRST) even though you yourself claimed that Cid was the only one who could possibly talk to the queen earlier, and just spent the whole beginning of the game fleeing from said queen. Not to mention how, earlier up above, she clearly said she suspected her Mother was going to start a war, her strange reaction here makes no sense when everything she suspected turned out to be true, she should be LESS likely to just "go home and try to talk to mommy", especially with how she is going back WITHOUT ANYONE TO BACK HER UP, which was the whole point of running away from home and trying to get to Lindblum in the first place.

If her mother was so darn pleasant that Garnet could have just talked her out of it, why run away from home in the first place?

Really you should have been focusing on that "suspicious person" (Kuja) in the castle, that was clearly the source of the problem and responsible for your mother's crazy behaviour and tried to find out about him by running away from home and go after him from the start instead of trying to solve this bs mystery that's so obvious.

Zidane and Garnet's relationship is pretty unhealthy here.

You do understand characters have flaws right? Garnet's development makes her realize she was being naive.

Also FFXIV being unfinished isn't an excuse considering they had multiple patches to try to improve Luna's character and failed.

 

[NC1234567]

You do understand characters have flaws right? Garnet's development makes her realize she was being naive.

Also FFXIV being unfinished isn't an excuse considering they had multiple patches to try to improve Luna's character and failed.

Flaws have to make sense and be believable, Garnet’s weren’t, stop making excuses for her and white knighting her. What “development”? Garnet never learns from her mistakes, she just has long internal monologues. Also, nobody ever calls her out on the mistakes she made or what the cost actually was. If I were Zidane, I would have been really upset with her after losing a close friend in the attempt to rescue her only for her to decide to blow me off and make the whole thing meaningless.

Rinoa would have been called out on it and forced to learn. Garnet wasn't. That's why I cut Rinoa some slack - at least the characters treated her the way I would have. The game and I were on the same wavelength.

Lunafreya was just bland, not outright obnoxious like Garnet. Did you even read my statements on why Garnet’s behaviour makes absolutely no sense?

 

[NC1234567]

There's no way lol. You act as if you're bringing objective facts, when what you said about the crystals and Garnet, clearly aren't. As Mako said, you're being as subjective as everyone else with your review.




And as pointed out, your example was horrendous. A good example would've been something else subjective.


And you're entitled to that opinion. Nobody is taking that away from you. What people are disagreeing on (at least I am) is that, it isn't true for everyone. It's not nostalgia that's driving our opinions either.

Either you read the facts that I have presented in my commentary or stop acting like such a condescending snob to me.

What I said about Garnet WAS objective fact, it is objective fact that she renders the entire beginning of the game pointless as the whole point of that was to get her away from Alexandria and out of danger, to Lindblum and Garnet renders that all moot just to run back home, which causes all the bad stuff to happen for most of the game because she basically gave the Eidolons to Brahne and Kuja on a sliver platter, Garnet causes a chain reaction of tons of destruction and she never gets called out on it. And it really ruins the love story with Zidane.

It amazes me how far this thread will go to defend Garnet instead of just admitting that that was bad writing and there was a better way to write that part of the game, which I hope the Remake and Cartoon will do just that. Shouldn’t the players be just a tad bit more pissed that all of their gameplay efforts by wasted by Garnet, and to make matters worse the game forces you to PLAY through her stupidity and making all your previous efforts pointless, I hated that Garnet, after completely losing any sympathy I had for her, proceeded to hijack the plot of the game to the detriment of the rest of the cast who had better plots than her. It was criminal that I spent more time on Garnet's multiple crises of existence when Freya's plotline got booted to the side with what could be described as a twist tie of a resolution. Yes, Garnet is supposed to be the main character alongside Zidane and their love story is supposed to be one of the main focuses, the problem though is that it’s all not well done enough to be a proper main thing.

This review puts ff9 at number 10/100, of all ps1 games

Top 100 PS1 Review: #10 – Final Fantasy IX (1999)

I Haven’t Cried This Much Since… FFX 😢. Has there been a more relatable, unrelatable character than Vivi?

thetop100.blog

Did you even read “Final Fantasy? Whatever’s” review? This is just another IX wankfest, Vivi isn’t that deep of a character, actually the stuff with the black mages was pretty pretentious as I’ve pointed out in my commentary:

Zidane "Are you the one who makes the Mist!?"

"It is not produced. Mist is a by-product of the refining process. It is discharged through the roots."

"By-product"? It's literally the souls of the inhabitants of Gaia that have been prevented from returning to Gaia's crystal, captured within the roots of the Iifa Tree and then expelled by the roots above ground as "Mist", the Ultimania clearly states this, as does the FF Wikia: "Mist is distributed through the Iifa Tree's roots and is, in fact, the Gaian souls being refused to return to the crystal and expelled to flow back into Gaia's atmosphere instead. These stagnant and tormented souls are reborn as monsters."

This is what I have been building up to for the last few chapters regarding the Black Mages and Vivi's conundrum being pretentious, The Black Mages are made from the Mist, which is actually the souls of deceased Gaia inhabitants, this means that the Black Mages are actually dead people resurrected (if only for a short while) into artificial doll bodies, which would actually all be very interesting stuff, but unfortunately the game doesn't really take advantage of this and instead cheaply opts to rip-off "Blade Runner", which doesn't even fit. With Blade Runner it had androids that gained sentience, but here with IX, the Black Mages are literal "Ghosts inside the shells", which makes all their ramblings about death pretentious and melodramatic when they are technically already dead, they just couldn't return to the crystal and be properly reincarnated.

Sure, Vivi and the other mages don't really know all this at this point, but they should have at least had some recollections or vague memories of when they were human (or any other anthropomorphic creatures like the rat people) which would continue grow and they would remember more who they were originally which would have been especially interesting with Vivi. Yet we get nonsense like how they "don't know what jokes or humans are". This was all really wasted potential.

 

[Makoeyes987]

Either you read the facts that I have presented in my commentary or stop acting like such a condescending snob to me.

The absolute cheek to shout their opinion as "objective fact" and then accuse someone else of being a "condescending snob", LMFAO.

Damn ....Why does TLS attract the weirdest fucking fans in Final Fantasy fandom? I swear to God, we're the Arkham Asylum of S-E fandom.

Who's sending these people here???

 

[NC1234567]

The absolute cheek to shout their opinion as objective fact and then accuse someone of being a "condescending snob", LMFAO.

Damn ....Why does TLS attract the weirdest fucking fans in Final Fantasy fandom? I swear to God, we're the Arkham Asylum of S-E fandom.

Says the guy who refuses to read all my arguments, especially when he only saw the first chapter that only covers the opening Alexandria segment where the game isn’t even going downhill yet. My last comment literally just showed valid statements about the black mages.

 

[LNK]

Either you read the facts that I have presented in my commentary or stop acting like such a condescending snob to me.

Coming from the one who thinks everyone else has issues because they have a different opinion from yours. Lol that's rich.

Also, you're not providing facts. You're providing opinions. Deal with it.

This is just another IX wankfest

Case and point.

 

[Makoeyes987]

Says the guy who refuses to read all my arguments, especially when he only saw the first chapter that only covers the opening Alexandria segment where the game isn’t even going downhill yet. My last comment literally just showed valid statements about the black mages.

I don't need to bury my nose in an anus to know it stinks.

Your opinion is not as nuanced or thoughtful as you keep saying it is. You hate FFIX and think it's overrated. That's absolutely your right to feel and express that. But you don't get to somehow proclaim it as objective fact or some insightful wisdom that's missed by the unwashed, nostalgia fixated masses who find FFIX as one of their favorite entries in the series. Nothing you say is credible, intelligent or even worthwhile to take in. It's merely a screed of pointless nitpicking and nonsense. No matter how much specious logic and arguments you concoct to back it up. You should pour that energy into something useful and more meaningful than just a diatribe of hate. It's the height of pretention and arrogance to try to tout your opinion as objective fact and paint yourself as some bold truth teller when you're just as much a biased fan as everyone else.

Except you're worst. You only focus on something you hate instead of what you enjoy. It's insufferable.

 

[LNK]

My last comment literally just showed valid statements about the black mages.

Lol maybe to you. I don't think many in here hold those same views though.

 

[NC1234567]

Coming from the one who thinks everyone else has issues because they have a different opinion from yours. Lol that's rich.

Also, you're not providing facts. You're providing opinions. Deal with it.

Didn’t really address anything I actually said about the game I see. You never talk about what I actually say about Garnet and etc. You have done nothing to refute the valid statements that I have said about Garnet and the black mages.

“Opinion” is just a safeguard by someone who hates confrontation or can’t stand being told that they are wrong, they label it as an opinion so that they can try and pretend it might not be true.

I don't need to bury my nose in an anus to know it stinks.
Your opinion is not as nuanced or thoughtful as you keep saying it is. You hate FFIX and think it's overrated. That's absolutely your right to feel and express that. But you don't get to somehow proclaim it as objective fact or some insightful wisdom that's missed by the unwashed, nostalgia fixated masses who find FFIX as one of their favorite entries in the series. Nothing you say is credible, intelligent or even worthwhile to take in. It's merely a screed of pointless nitpicking and nonsense. No matter how much specious logic and arguments you concoct to back it up. You should pour that energy into something useful and more meaningful than just a diatribe of hate. It's the height of pretention and arrogance to try to tout your opinion as objective fact and paint yourself as some bold truth teller when you're just as much a biased fan as everyone else.

Except you're worst. You only focus on something you hate instead of what you enjoy. It's insufferable.

Again, maybe you should be actually trying to address my arguments directly instead of ignoring them and making personal attacks on me.

You are acting so high and mighty yet you don’t even try to debunk my arguments. Guess who is losing the debate?

I DON’T WANT TO HATE IX, you are acting like I am hating on it just for the sake of hating on it.

 

[NC1234567]

Lol maybe to you. I don't think many in here hold those same views though.

Views do not equal facts, the black mages were a wasted potentially interesting plot that I have made VALID OBSERVATIONS ABOUT. You aren’t even TRYING to pick apart my arguments, you truly are just some trolls who don’t like me picking apart your favourite game, it feels like I’m back on the TV Tropes forums, you are so elitist.

 

[Ite]

If you find that you are writing in all caps, you should turn off the internet for the rest of the day.

 

[NC1234567]

If you find that you are writing in all caps, you should turn off the internet for the rest of the day.

I like to make emphasis on certain words, don’t act like you’ve never done this.

Why is mostly everyone on these forums cherry picking everything I do?

 

[NC1234567]

I hate the current obsession with 'entitlement.' There's nothing that's right or wrong anymore because muh entitlement prevents anything from being considered wrong.

All opinions are not equal, would you let your child eat glass if they thought “it would taste good”? No? Then you agree that they aren’t equal.

Relativism is bullshit:

 

[LNK]

the black mages were a wasted potentially interesting plot

That's your opinion lol. Cool.

You aren’t even TRYING to pick apart my arguments

Why would I pick apart your opinions?

you truly are just some trolls who don’t like me picking apart your favourite game, it feels like I’m back on the TV Tropes forums, you are so elitist.

I don't care about you picking apart a game you don't like. What I care about, is you trying to pass off your opinions about it, as fact.

Did your parents drop you on your head as a child?

 

[Ghost X]

All right, folks. I think we're going to have enough of that. Any objections, feel free to raise them with staff, but I'm closing this thread for now. I'm not seeing productive discussion here.