FF7 Rrmake Announced
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Elisa Maza
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What is this, I don't even...
No, seriously, in danger of sounding like a total idiot of epic proportions, what was that?
No, seriously, in danger of sounding like a total idiot of epic proportions, what was that?
DLPB
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1. Because they want to make it in a short time and they can't. i.e. they admit they can't be arsed with the effort needed.
2. Because they will ruin the original by fucking about with it like Lucas did with Star Wars.
3. Because Squenix is very different now to when it was just square.
4. Because FF7 is a finished game and we should strive for originality and not rehashing.
5. Because FF7 is being remade somewhat over at Qhimm's Forum anyway and by people who love the game, not money.
FF7 isn't being remade by Squenix and thank Dawkins for that.
2. Because they will ruin the original by fucking about with it like Lucas did with Star Wars.
3. Because Squenix is very different now to when it was just square.
4. Because FF7 is a finished game and we should strive for originality and not rehashing.
5. Because FF7 is being remade somewhat over at Qhimm's Forum anyway and by people who love the game, not money.
FF7 isn't being remade by Squenix and thank Dawkins for that.
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I tried viewing, but the vid has been banned so i shall comment entirely on my own.
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To be quite honest, i have mixed reviews about a remake...after years of thought, as much as i would like to see updated graphics plus voice acting etc...i can honestly see a remake to be a huge disappointment, and can see many people complaining saying that the remake has ruined FF7. I want a remake, but it simply has to be perfect, anything but, would be a huge disappointment.
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To be quite honest, i have mixed reviews about a remake...after years of thought, as much as i would like to see updated graphics plus voice acting etc...i can honestly see a remake to be a huge disappointment, and can see many people complaining saying that the remake has ruined FF7. I want a remake, but it simply has to be perfect, anything but, would be a huge disappointment.
DLPB
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and that's what I want but it is asking a for a huge turn around that they would get it right after they got everything else so wrong.
I can imagine FF7 remake being nothing but huge bloated fight scenes and other story elements which ruin the nice balance of relative realism, in favour of cheap kicks for fanboys. FF7 remake would be like FF7: Remake Advent Children Edition.
If they stayed to the original game and did not deviate from it in the main areas, it would be absolutely amazing. But they won't. They are already saying themselves that they would want it to have tons of graphics and it would take years, and that to me means they want to bloat it up and aren't thinking in terms of good design at all.
I can imagine FF7 remake being nothing but huge bloated fight scenes and other story elements which ruin the nice balance of relative realism, in favour of cheap kicks for fanboys. FF7 remake would be like FF7: Remake Advent Children Edition.
If they stayed to the original game and did not deviate from it in the main areas, it would be absolutely amazing. But they won't. They are already saying themselves that they would want it to have tons of graphics and it would take years, and that to me means they want to bloat it up and aren't thinking in terms of good design at all.
Shademp
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If Square can give us one or two masterpieces of games within a few years, then we can start talking about a remake.
You know what, we should almost rename TLS into something that implies just how much we hate Square Enix. That's what we do more than half the time anyway; bitchin' about Square.
You know what, we should almost rename TLS into something that implies just how much we hate Square Enix. That's what we do more than half the time anyway; bitchin' about Square.
I don't think it would be a good idea for the current Square to engage in the making of a FFVII remake, since they've had a tendency to f*ck up most of their games lately.
... a remake could have been successful before the merge, when they actually cared about their games.
... a remake could have been successful before the merge, when they actually cared about their games.
DLPB
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Nice pop at me, but see, the difference is that I am giving people a choice whether they want that mod in the game and not forcing it on them. That is the big difference. I have said many times that a remake should give the user as many options as possible including:
game difficulty (a BIG problem with FF games), original and upgraded FMV, original and improved Music. To name a few.
A good game will allow options. And yes, I would allow an option to completely remove Cait useless Sith and replace him with a better character.
Out of all the characters in the original game, Cait is by far the most useless and is out of place in the game. I like relative realism and in a game filled with many important themes, he destroys any scene which he is in. (and let's not forget Deus ex machina temple of the Ancients)You will be glad to know that I have already eradicated him from the FMV and am now working on a story. I am not trying to do anything, I am doing it. I finish what I start.
Can I thank that twice?
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ForceStealer
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Check out this really stupid article.
No.
No.
And XIV doesn't really count. I wanna say that I'm not saying they unequivocally SHOULD make a remake, I too would like them to definitively prove they can make a successful console game this generation first. But it doesn't change the fact that this article has a lot of stupid. Starting with the examples of things that supposedly "wouldn't work" in fancy graphics.
Um...why? He was in Advent Children AND Dirge of Cerberus and didn't seem to break the universe or "the magic" or whatever. He is what he is. And then the author even says Cait Sith never made sense. So then what would the difference be anyway? Next.
Again he was in Advent Children and (however briefly) Dirge. What's the problem? Also, Red never tiptoes past guards on hind legs. He is standing upright in uniform on the ship to Costa Del Sol, but he's standing alone. You see him hiding on the ship during the send off and he's on all fours, he just snuck on board normally and then took on a disguise and kept his distance. Not that big a deal dude.
Why? They could just, y'know...put him in a sailor suit? What kind of point is this? Did you see what he is wearing in Advent Children? I don't think it would be that much of a stretch.
...again, why? They slap each other...? This would be awkward in good graphics how? Next.
I swear you're just picking random events. WHY?! Crisis Core HAD a squat contest, it looked fine. I'll bet you didn't even play it.
The fact that he says "moments" makes me think he's picking on the fact that you snowboard so soon after losing her. So firstly, what on Earth does that have to do with the graphics? Secondly, they didn't snowboard for the hell of it, they had to get down the mountain, you want them to trudge down it slowly and depressed? Thirdly, if you did mean the graphics, you're still a moron. How many snowboarding games are out there? Next.
...What's cartoony about it? Its a submarine. The bridge is a little over-the-top I guess but no moreso than all the airship bridges in Final Fantasy. Do you even PLAY this series?
This is unworkable in good graphics how? In FFX you spend the last playable room before the final boss collecting eggs that materialize out of nowhere. This is far less meaningless.
I moved this til the end because it is the ONLY ONE that he's potentially right about. They would have to be very careful with the Honeybee Inn and the crossdressing segment because what was silly in lego graphics could quickly become creepy. I still think they could pull it off, it would require some care that they haven't exhibited of late.
1 of 9 that are even close to having a point is not a great ratio dude. But this next sentence is where I really lost interest in what you had to say.
:failsafe:
I am officially convinced you haven't played the game. Or at least not since its release. Ghost clones? Where the hell did you get that from? The 'clones' are the survivors of the Nibelheim Incident that Hojo injected with Jenova cells. Their weak-wills and shattered psyches after seeing their town destroyed were easy for Jenova to dominate. And Sephiroth was in control of Jenova, so he could control them - just as he controlled Cloud.
And for your double-fail, Sephiroth was not a series of clones anyway. The Sephiroth you face for most of the game are pieces of Jenova. Jenova is a shapeshifter under Sephiroth's control. So, at his call, Jenova's body being stored at the Shinra building broke out, morphed into his shape, and killed President Shinra. You kill a piece on the ship, another piece kills Aerith, and you kill another piece at the crater just before finding Sephiroth's body.
While I wouldn't hold it against you for missing some of the intricacies, to get something so basic to the plotline completely wrong in an article ABOUT FF7 makes me really disinclined to take anything else you say very seriously. I could very well stop here, as this line makes my point for me, but I'll continue anyway. I only have to go to the next sentence to find something else wrong.
Yeah, no one forgot.
And since I'm being nitpicky, he didn't seduce anyone in the Honeybee Manor, it was in Don Corneo's bedroom on the other side of town.
No they wouldn't.
Ha ha you're so clever.
lol, no it isn't. Its mauled because Draw sucks and the story unravels halfway through. And even then I'd hardly say its "mauled," a TON of people like FF8. FFs IX and X are both beloved and neither of those are VII-2, again, you have no idea what you're talking about.
Here I start to lose his point. I thought he was saying it wouldn't work. All he does is complain about remakes, and that they aren't the games HE wants to be remade. And while that's a fair enough point, have any of their remakes been dissected? Was FFIV's charm completely destroyed in a transision to 3D? Did they have to "excise" entire scenes or characters that wouldn't translate well. No. Did the remakes not make money? I think they did, that's why they keep making them. You've defeated your own point.
And I love how he lists the games he'd rather see revisited such as Chrono Trigger. I thought they'd ruin VII, they wouldn't ruin Chrono Trigger? Also, its the World Ends WITH You.
Mass Effect is a shooter-RPG, Fallout pauses frequently with the use of VATS, and Dragon Age combat is even more laborious than FFVII's. You have to pause CONSTANTLY. VII's NEVER pauses, its already faster. All they would have to do is speed it up, add a new mechanic here or there (as they did in IV with augments). Make the combat like X-2's or XIII's (in terms of speed, I mean). Or just leaving it wouldn't DESTROY its chances.. Lost Odyssey has a pretty standard battle system that no one seemed to complain about.
Yeah! Like all the newer FFs! Oh wait...
Because no one is sick of that 2 dimensional, black and white system yet, right? Let's throw some quick time events in too.
...Because it would turn a profit? More than they can say for FFXIV.
And you clearly didn't even pay attention to it the first time you played it.
Anyways, again, I'm not saying I definitively disagree with the meat of his point. But I'm not willing to give his arguments a whole lot thought with how wrong he is for most of that article.
No.
No.
And XIV doesn't really count. I wanna say that I'm not saying they unequivocally SHOULD make a remake, I too would like them to definitively prove they can make a successful console game this generation first. But it doesn't change the fact that this article has a lot of stupid. Starting with the examples of things that supposedly "wouldn't work" in fancy graphics.
Um...why? He was in Advent Children AND Dirge of Cerberus and didn't seem to break the universe or "the magic" or whatever. He is what he is. And then the author even says Cait Sith never made sense. So then what would the difference be anyway? Next.
Again he was in Advent Children and (however briefly) Dirge. What's the problem? Also, Red never tiptoes past guards on hind legs. He is standing upright in uniform on the ship to Costa Del Sol, but he's standing alone. You see him hiding on the ship during the send off and he's on all fours, he just snuck on board normally and then took on a disguise and kept his distance. Not that big a deal dude.
Why? They could just, y'know...put him in a sailor suit? What kind of point is this? Did you see what he is wearing in Advent Children? I don't think it would be that much of a stretch.
...again, why? They slap each other...? This would be awkward in good graphics how? Next.
I swear you're just picking random events. WHY?! Crisis Core HAD a squat contest, it looked fine. I'll bet you didn't even play it.
The fact that he says "moments" makes me think he's picking on the fact that you snowboard so soon after losing her. So firstly, what on Earth does that have to do with the graphics? Secondly, they didn't snowboard for the hell of it, they had to get down the mountain, you want them to trudge down it slowly and depressed? Thirdly, if you did mean the graphics, you're still a moron. How many snowboarding games are out there? Next.
...What's cartoony about it? Its a submarine. The bridge is a little over-the-top I guess but no moreso than all the airship bridges in Final Fantasy. Do you even PLAY this series?
This is unworkable in good graphics how? In FFX you spend the last playable room before the final boss collecting eggs that materialize out of nowhere. This is far less meaningless.
I moved this til the end because it is the ONLY ONE that he's potentially right about. They would have to be very careful with the Honeybee Inn and the crossdressing segment because what was silly in lego graphics could quickly become creepy. I still think they could pull it off, it would require some care that they haven't exhibited of late.
1 of 9 that are even close to having a point is not a great ratio dude. But this next sentence is where I really lost interest in what you had to say.
:failsafe:
I am officially convinced you haven't played the game. Or at least not since its release. Ghost clones? Where the hell did you get that from? The 'clones' are the survivors of the Nibelheim Incident that Hojo injected with Jenova cells. Their weak-wills and shattered psyches after seeing their town destroyed were easy for Jenova to dominate. And Sephiroth was in control of Jenova, so he could control them - just as he controlled Cloud.
And for your double-fail, Sephiroth was not a series of clones anyway. The Sephiroth you face for most of the game are pieces of Jenova. Jenova is a shapeshifter under Sephiroth's control. So, at his call, Jenova's body being stored at the Shinra building broke out, morphed into his shape, and killed President Shinra. You kill a piece on the ship, another piece kills Aerith, and you kill another piece at the crater just before finding Sephiroth's body.
While I wouldn't hold it against you for missing some of the intricacies, to get something so basic to the plotline completely wrong in an article ABOUT FF7 makes me really disinclined to take anything else you say very seriously. I could very well stop here, as this line makes my point for me, but I'll continue anyway. I only have to go to the next sentence to find something else wrong.
Yeah, no one forgot.
And since I'm being nitpicky, he didn't seduce anyone in the Honeybee Manor, it was in Don Corneo's bedroom on the other side of town.
No they wouldn't.
Ha ha you're so clever.
lol, no it isn't. Its mauled because Draw sucks and the story unravels halfway through. And even then I'd hardly say its "mauled," a TON of people like FF8. FFs IX and X are both beloved and neither of those are VII-2, again, you have no idea what you're talking about.
Here I start to lose his point. I thought he was saying it wouldn't work. All he does is complain about remakes, and that they aren't the games HE wants to be remade. And while that's a fair enough point, have any of their remakes been dissected? Was FFIV's charm completely destroyed in a transision to 3D? Did they have to "excise" entire scenes or characters that wouldn't translate well. No. Did the remakes not make money? I think they did, that's why they keep making them. You've defeated your own point.
And I love how he lists the games he'd rather see revisited such as Chrono Trigger. I thought they'd ruin VII, they wouldn't ruin Chrono Trigger? Also, its the World Ends WITH You.
Mass Effect is a shooter-RPG, Fallout pauses frequently with the use of VATS, and Dragon Age combat is even more laborious than FFVII's. You have to pause CONSTANTLY. VII's NEVER pauses, its already faster. All they would have to do is speed it up, add a new mechanic here or there (as they did in IV with augments). Make the combat like X-2's or XIII's (in terms of speed, I mean). Or just leaving it wouldn't DESTROY its chances.. Lost Odyssey has a pretty standard battle system that no one seemed to complain about.
Yeah! Like all the newer FFs! Oh wait...
Because no one is sick of that 2 dimensional, black and white system yet, right? Let's throw some quick time events in too.
...Because it would turn a profit? More than they can say for FFXIV.
And you clearly didn't even pay attention to it the first time you played it.
Anyways, again, I'm not saying I definitively disagree with the meat of his point. But I'm not willing to give his arguments a whole lot thought with how wrong he is for most of that article.
DLPB
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He is right about a lot of things imho (although some of his points are crap), but unfortunately he is another person who can't separate gameplay elements with the MAIN STORY and how a MOVIE works. Unfortunately, Advent Children proved that nor can the main writers. That's why AC looks ridiculous (limit breaks in battle for example, looks bizarre and out of place). They tried to make it a movie with gameplay elements, and that doesn't work, the same way as a game with too many cutscenes and movie doesn't. People go into a movie to get involved with the characters, story, dialogue and to suspend disbelief.. they do not expect it to play like a game that you watch. AC was a huge failure.
I am glad they aren't remaking it for a lot of the reasons outlined.
He is also right that they cocked FF12,13,14 up and we don't want this company trying to remake a game they are now completely out of touch with.
I am glad they aren't remaking it for a lot of the reasons outlined.
That one especially is absolutely spot on. They will change the battle system to be more like AC and FF13. It will be a joke.
He is also right that they cocked FF12,13,14 up and we don't want this company trying to remake a game they are now completely out of touch with.
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Masamune
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Is it awful that I was slightly turned on by this?
Shademp
420
At least open references to prostitution is not that big of an issue in games anymore. But yes, Cloud bathing with a group of older men...we aren't gonna see that...are we? *is scared*
Dunno if it's awful, but you're not alone.
Or well, I should say that I *used* to get slightly turned on by fem-Cloud pictures. Then I got oldered and stopped.
Dunno if it's awful, but you're not alone.
Or well, I should say that I *used* to get slightly turned on by fem-Cloud pictures. Then I got oldered and stopped.
ForceStealer
Double Growth
I guess they could just do the bathing scene the same way they did the first time, slide the camera up so that you can only see his hair. It had the added bonus of not requiring new models, after all 
Tetsujin
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ForceStealer
Double Growth
I get the impression that's what they were going for (Quistis).