LNK
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I'm definitely one of these people. But I didn't retroactively do this. I've said the same this whole time. To me, if the core story is the same, the differences don't change that. It doesn't need to be 1:1.
FFVII Rebirth Theme Song Announcement Trailer
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I'm definitely one of these people. But I didn't retroactively do this. I've said the same this whole time. To me, if the core story is the same, the differences don't change that. It doesn't need to be 1:1.
cold_spirit
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Really fun design breakdown for Vincent. His new gun has the same materia slots as Quicksilver.
Theozilla
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I just don’t see the manner of President’s Shinra’s being on the same level of iconography as Aerith’s death scene was. Aerith’s death scene is literally one of the few FMV cutscenes that uses the fully pre-rendered character models and not the chibi-overworld models. Besides the opening and ending cutscenes the only other cutscenes that did that (that featured full body character models) were: the escape from the shinra building, the Makonoid breaking out of its pod, Sephiroth walking through the flames, Aerith being laid to rest in the Forgotten Capital lake, Cloud handing over the black materia to Sephiroth and then the WEAPONS waking up and everyone else escaping on the Highwind, and president Rufus being fired upon by the Diamond Weapon. Aerith’s death is among that handful of iconic cutscenes that I just don’t see SE significantly changing.
LNK
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Oh, I don't either. But, there are people who do. Maybe even putting it above, since it was essentially the intro to Sephiroth. That was the only reason why I brought that scene up.
My only issue with this, is these are only FMV scenes. Are you saying only these can be iconic? So is the makanoid breaking out of it's pod more iconic than finally walking up to President Shinra with the Masamune in his back? I'm just a little confused. For me, it's more about the actual moment, not necessarily the method of how the moment is shown (pre rendered or in game)
Theozilla
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No, I am certainly not saying only those scenes can be iconic. My argument though is that the FMV scenes are in general far more widely remembered and considered more iconic than other non-FMV scenes from the OG, especially to casual non-hardcore FFVII fans (but who are still invested enough to want to play the remake games). And thus are less likely to have major changes in the remake project than other scenes from the OG.
LNK
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Ok, thanks for clarifying!
In most cases I'd agree with you except for the intro of Sephiroth, the nibelheim flashback possibly Red finally seeing Seto. I'd say people see those as more iconic than the majority of the fmv scenes.
When it comes down to it, I just don't think SE is worried about making tweaks to how the go about showing these scenes. I'm not saying it's a guarantee they do, more than likely they'll still have Seph do it, I just think its possible Cloud does. Especially if they're goal is to do for this generation what was done for the previous one.
Wol
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Well the death threats are completely despicable and embarassing. Imagine how immature one has to be to harass a professional over a ship. If only they cared about their love life as much as they do with fictional romance.
Just make Cloud x Aerith fuck to ruin their world already at this point.
Just make Cloud x Aerith fuck to ruin their world already at this point.
KindOfBlue
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Sure can’t wait for all of this shipping nonsense to come full circle when part 3 gives more attention to Tifa.
I know I’ll mostly just feel relieved that Aerith is dead since I really don’t want the remake to change that. Unfortunately, that does kinda detract from what the story probably wants me to feel. So going through this whole gamut of “will she/won’t she” only for the remake to just play it straight just seems underwhelming to me at the moment. I dunno, I have to see how it plays out.
Imagine if Sephiroth stabs Aerith and then Jenova attacks just like the OG. Then you find out that what Cloud saw was actually an illusion, and that the subsequent fight against Jenova is actually Cloud unknowingly killing Aerith.
Or she actually does gets stabbed but survives, playing on the hope that fans have about her fate being changed. Then, just as you think she’s in the clear, Jenova takes over Cloud’s psyche and finishes the job.
I think the former scenario is more palpable since we wouldn’t actually see Cloud do it, I’m thinking we fight Jenova, then the illusion dissipates and Aerith’s lifeless body appears on the ground. I’m just writing fan fiction at this point lol. Point is, I think SE has a decent amount of room for recontextualization if they decide not to play it straight, it’s just a matter of which direction they feel is most emotionally satisfying.
I’m sure we’ll see Sephiroth stab Aerith. I’m more curious about the context of how that scene is presented in Rebirth, what leads up to it, what happens after, what kind of twist they’ll work in etc.
I know I’ll mostly just feel relieved that Aerith is dead since I really don’t want the remake to change that. Unfortunately, that does kinda detract from what the story probably wants me to feel. So going through this whole gamut of “will she/won’t she” only for the remake to just play it straight just seems underwhelming to me at the moment. I dunno, I have to see how it plays out.
Imagine if Sephiroth stabs Aerith and then Jenova attacks just like the OG. Then you find out that what Cloud saw was actually an illusion, and that the subsequent fight against Jenova is actually Cloud unknowingly killing Aerith.
Or she actually does gets stabbed but survives, playing on the hope that fans have about her fate being changed. Then, just as you think she’s in the clear, Jenova takes over Cloud’s psyche and finishes the job.
I think the former scenario is more palpable since we wouldn’t actually see Cloud do it, I’m thinking we fight Jenova, then the illusion dissipates and Aerith’s lifeless body appears on the ground. I’m just writing fan fiction at this point lol. Point is, I think SE has a decent amount of room for recontextualization if they decide not to play it straight, it’s just a matter of which direction they feel is most emotionally satisfying.
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I've been onboard with pretty much every character design change in the Remake Project. Tifa's stockings, Aerith's dress, Yuffie's arm guard, all good with me.
But now there's been a misfire: Vincent's hair. In the OG, AC, and DC, Vincent's hair is long and luscious. Sure there's spikes (or barbs in Dirge's case), but overall it's sleek.
In Rebirth, they made it completely spikey. It makes him look like a hedgehog. I also find it too similar to Cloud's, who has spikes in a similar pattern. I'll get used to it, but it's not my favorite.
But now there's been a misfire: Vincent's hair. In the OG, AC, and DC, Vincent's hair is long and luscious. Sure there's spikes (or barbs in Dirge's case), but overall it's sleek.
In Rebirth, they made it completely spikey. It makes him look like a hedgehog. I also find it too similar to Cloud's, who has spikes in a similar pattern. I'll get used to it, but it's not my favorite.
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cold_spirit
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It's been noted in the Discord that in the Terrier Stamp world (the one with Zack), it's unlikely that Shinra delivered Aerith directly to Elmyra's house after being recovered from the rubble. She was probably taken directly to Hojo. This would then require Zack to rescue her. I agree. As such, I've updated my hypothetical timeline of events.
- Due to currently unknown circumstances, the events of Final Fantasy VII kick-off without Cloud
- The Sector 7 plate drops, Marlene is left with Elmyra
- A hurricane (i.e., the Whispers) strike Midgar as Aerith, Tifa, Barret, and Red XIII flee from the Shinra Building. The Whispers do this to prevent their escape and realign events. At the same, Zack fights against the Shinra army in the outskirts of Midgar
- The Whispers are defeated by our actions in Remake, therefore saving Zack. At the same time, Biggs wakes up from the injuries he received during the Sector 7 platefall
- Zack enters the Sector 5 slums and leaves Cloud with Kyrie. He freshens up
- Zack visits Aerith's church to find a gathering of displaced and injured people. All victims of the hurricane
- Sometime later, Zack meets Biggs. They bond over the strange circumstances around their survivals and agree to work together
- Sometime later, Zack rescues Aerith from the Shinra Building. He leaves her at Elmyra's house with Marlene
- The Sector 7 plate drops, Marlene is left with Elmyra
- A hurricane (i.e., the Whispers) strike Midgar as Aerith, Tifa, Barret, and Red XIII flee from the Shinra Building. The Whispers do this to prevent their escape and realign events. At the same, Zack fights against the Shinra army in the outskirts of Midgar
- The Whispers are defeated by our actions in Remake, therefore saving Zack. At the same time, Biggs wakes up from the injuries he received during the Sector 7 platefall
- Zack enters the Sector 5 slums and leaves Cloud with Kyrie. He freshens up
- Zack visits Aerith's church to find a gathering of displaced and injured people. All victims of the hurricane
- Sometime later, Zack meets Biggs. They bond over the strange circumstances around their survivals and agree to work together
- Sometime later, Zack rescues Aerith from the Shinra Building. He leaves her at Elmyra's house with Marlene
Idk man, i feel it was calculated. I'm sure HQ has regular social listening tools and reports to know what has been transpiring online and how toxic shippers can be. I'm just suprised their social team didn't make the effort to protect their creators, by asking them to go incognito for a while
Back in my day when I was in entertainment and we purposely put out trailers that were "controversial", there were briefing sessions with the production team to give them a view of what the backlash would be like, for those who chose to be active on their socials they would have a guide of what to say or not to say to protect company interest.
Even Nojima was like I've been on the internet since 2ch *shrug.
Also, he killed Tidus and introduced a new love interest for Yuna - the most sacred of couples amongst the Japanese. He's a 50 year old man. I'm sure he's used to it and I'm sure hes ok being hated by shippers
Anyway my 2 cents from the game awards was that square enix's share price went down immediately on the 8 of Dec. I think investors don't think ffxvi and remake can revive the franchise cos no new IP was announced. Shame, really.
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Maidenofwar
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That still doesn't make it ok. Also he's not completely ok with it, he mentioned it not being ok receiving such when it came to his guinea pigs. Such behaviour shouldn't be supported nor tolerated. The person's age is irrelevant.
I'm not calling him old lol, I'm saying hes mature, and been through this rodeo before. If he continued to stay online while shippers are threatening to kill his guinea pigs and he can respond to them calmly or put up a statement and proceed to put up videos of his hotpot meal, his pr and crisis team probably had him prepped to tell him a shit storm would arise, but the team is ok to leave him to handle himself without intervention.
If my producer / creator was NOT ok with being online amidst chaos, and i was a good social media manager, I'd recommend he disappear for a while, and protect him because i need to make sure is mental health is good enough to finish his work for the company.
Again, I'm m not saying people should harass him. They absolutely should not. Its gross behaviour. I'm saying SE surely anticipated this behaviour from the past with TiYuna fans, Jairus's fake Cloti account that went to Jp media, from knowing people's brains would melt with an almost kiss and probably reached a consensus that he didn't need protecting, or maybe he really wanted to observe online reactions to his work, even if it IS crazy behaviour.
If my producer / creator was NOT ok with being online amidst chaos, and i was a good social media manager, I'd recommend he disappear for a while, and protect him because i need to make sure is mental health is good enough to finish his work for the company.
Again, I'm m not saying people should harass him. They absolutely should not. Its gross behaviour. I'm saying SE surely anticipated this behaviour from the past with TiYuna fans, Jairus's fake Cloti account that went to Jp media, from knowing people's brains would melt with an almost kiss and probably reached a consensus that he didn't need protecting, or maybe he really wanted to observe online reactions to his work, even if it IS crazy behaviour.
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I wish SE had a spine like Studio Khara. Anno had no problem telling the shippers to STFU.
Granted, they knew damn well how the fandom would react and let Yuko Miyamura, who was as mystified as everyone else, get fed to the wolves. But after Khara released that statement, shipping in Evangelion was dead as a doornail.
Granted, they knew damn well how the fandom would react and let Yuko Miyamura, who was as mystified as everyone else, get fed to the wolves. But after Khara released that statement, shipping in Evangelion was dead as a doornail.
Jimmy XH
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One of my favourite parts of the entire trailer is Dyne's cameo. I have no idea on how motion capture/facial animation in gaming is done, but the expression on Barret's face when Dyne says "look at me, Barret" is amazing to me.
That section of the game, alongside Red XIII in the Cave of the Gi, perhaps goes under the radar as far as emotional OG moments go. I wonder if the Corel flashback section may be given the full treatment and be properly playable, so it gives Dyne some more screen time?
I'd love that - my current fragile emotional state (everything is amazing with a nine day old child) might mean I won't be able to handle it!
That section of the game, alongside Red XIII in the Cave of the Gi, perhaps goes under the radar as far as emotional OG moments go. I wonder if the Corel flashback section may be given the full treatment and be properly playable, so it gives Dyne some more screen time?
I'd love that - my current fragile emotional state (everything is amazing with a nine day old child) might mean I won't be able to handle it!
Jimmy XH
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Sorry just remembered how beautiful the Mining Town theme is that plays during that flashback. There’s no way I’ll be able to handle it.
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