Posting here where I'm supposed to instead of going OT ...AGAIN in Mog's thread. XD
@ Tres
What sets Squall apart from most of those characters you mentioned -- and not that this is something that I'm saying should necessarily make you like him as a person, but, perhaps, could help you appreciate him as a character -- is that he isn't a hero and wasn't intended to be. He's an anti-hero.
He's a fail, that's what he is. He can be an Anti-Hero, whatever, without acting like a douche, can't he?
Squall does things that benefit the world, but only because it benefits him personally.
Thank you for admitting that. Like Tina said though, why should we care? Why should we be interested in Squall's needs, just because he's the main character? =/ If he's an asshole, then I'm not going to like him. And he's not even the type of ass that's cool, like Seifer. He's just flat out a boring, annoying, looking down his nose at everyone type of character. It's like dude, get off your high horse. Learn to appreciate your damn life more. I mean, instead of moping maybe you could appreciate what you DO have and the fact that you are alive at all.
He, in fact, put the entire world in danger once again by freeing Rinoa. He decided he was willing to risk the entire universe by allowing Ulty to cast Time Compression so that he would have a chance to stop Ultimecia without losing Rinoa.
Dumb move, on his part. I would have killed that bitch.
Seriously, Rinoa is no better than Squall. They are both such bad characters. Rinoa is so fracking annoying, that it really is painful to play the game with her in. I don't know how people can find her tolerable, when she acts like a seven year old. It's different from people like Vanille and Rikku, who yeah, act a bit immature and bubbly. Rinoa is just a plain spoiled brat, while people like Vanille and Rikku try constantly to make people happy.
For him, a world without Rinoa would have no meaning,
Yes, but WHY? Why the fuck does Rinoa matter so much to him? What did she ever do to him besides force him into things, and hang off of him and be extremely clingy? Also, an obnoxious flirt that bounced between Seifer and himself? Please, do you have any example of what Squall could possibly see in Rinoa? When Quistis was ten million times nicer, who actually showed she genuinely cared...
I'll tell you what it is, it's the fact that Rinoa is a perfect little princess type of character, that always gets what she wants because she *beautiful* and we're supposed to pity her because she's so different from anyone else. Please, I will not fall for that horrible trick even for one second.
I also like that he's both a good and a bad person. That makes him very interesting to me.
He was too much of a bad person, to me. Like I said, by the end of the game he was so much of a dick that I just didn't care at ALL about him. So when he started to turn around, I was like "you're still an ass, because your love is random, you never apologized, and you have nothing special about you". It's like--- Squall's happy, who gives a shit? =/
WOAHWOAHWOAH. Squall is NOTHING like Terra. Terra was sweet and full of wonder/dreams. She cared about other people, but she was on a quest to find out what love really was. And she found it with the children. That doesn't mean she treated her companions like shit while she was on her journey like Squall did.
quall: (Rinoa...... Even if you end up as the world's enemy, I'll...
I'll be your knight.)
*rolls on the floor laughing* Can he GET any cornier? Oh please, hand me the barf bucket.
@Daniel
One defining moment? The fact he learned to love.
LOL, why should I care that he learned to love? Imagine if you will, someone who acts like a complete asshole. Say, maybe someone told YOU to talk to a wall, and wanted nothing to do with you. Would you care if they suddently turned around and found true love? I know I wouldn't care.
You cannot slate a character because he CHANGED.
He changed, sure. But it took forever, and by that time I was so sick and tired of him that I just did not care.
A more worthless character undergoes no character development at all (a bit like XIII).
So, even if you mean XIII or XII, both have characters that go through character development. It may not be as much as we like, but I think it's enough to be significant. Probably because XII has a special place in my heart, I really did love the game. XD XIII had amazing characters, that was the entire high light of that game. VIII... cliche and annoying main pair, that makes me want to take a bullet to the head. Sure, there are other pairs that are cliche. Take Garnet and Zidane for instance. How many times has the commoner x the princess been used in a plot before? But at least these two developed as characters together, showed they cared, flirted, had up and down moments, had a fight, had drama, got back together... you really felt like they were in love. You were really interested in what was going to happen to them. With Squall and Rinoa, I just don't get it. Like, at all. As I said above, Rinoa has absolutely nothing to offer. She's whiney, scared, and annoying. She acts like a seven year old. Their relationship is random and BORING.
Again, Rinoa DID have a hard time. But everyone did, and it was always focusing on Squall and Rinoa. The other characters that I actually liked, we barely got to know them. =/ We never got to know much of their fears, get to know their stories. And poor Quistis never really even got a happy ending. In this game, it's like Squall and Rinoa are the only people that mattered. While in other games, we get to see all of the characters be where they're supposed to be, acheive what they wanted, etc.
It does seem melodramatic and cliche driven though...
Kinda like VIII?
I thought VIII was a very good game. I liked the story of a sociopath who learned to love, the theme of fated children, the characters, the love story, and the time travelling theme. The only thing I didn't like was the final final boss who came from nowhere.
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