First Rendition or Second? *SPOILERS*

[ForceStealer]

I would beg to differ and say that the vast majority who watched AC also read the novellas or took their questions online.

Yeah I don't think that's the case at all. WE knew everything ACC added because we're nerds, but FF7 was played by a huge amount of people, I know lots of people who saw AC because they remembered FF7, complained that it didn't make sense, and moved on. They didn't look into it. OTWTS was only barely available. If you bought the limited edition you'd have it, which by definition, not most people who watched AC bought. Or you could find it online, which you, again, would only do as a fairly hardcore fan.

I think ACC is better, however... I think it's slightly overhyped. I think it was ridiculous that basically all the new scenes were to add material to supplement the new characters (The Trio and Denzel), and they added nothing which included the Avalanche crew.

Well, first, we know everything about AVALANCHE, the SHM and Denzel are the people the viewer doesn't know about. But even so...I think Reno and Rude got far more new screen time than Denzel or the SHM, so I'm not sure where you're getting that.

The dialogue in Denzel's flashback of the Sector 7 disaster took me out of the movie because it got pretty ridiculous.

Huh? You mean the fact that you could hear the news broadcast? That was ridiculous?

 

[Max Payne]

It happens with many Blu-Ray releases. It's just reality and has been going on since Blu Ray and HD DVD. ACC isn't the only Blu-Ray re-release that upscaled rather than completely be released in entirely true HD.

Mostly older films where filming them digitally wasn't possible.

There's absolutely no excuse whatsoever for ACC to not be in full HD. Especially considering it's a bloody 3d film. The reality is, they were just lazy.

 

[Makoeyes987]

Try the Peter Jackson remake of King Kong. Upscaled. I could bring up some others but cba.

Yeah. Studios are sometimes lazy. That's new?

 

[Max Payne]

Try the remake of King Kong. Upscaled. I could bring up some others but cba.

Pretty sure that wasn't filmed digitally either could be wrong, but that's besides the point. ACC is a 3d film, that SE has all of the assets and the master copy still intact. They had almost 2 years man, 2 years that those few new scenes couldn't have eaten all of that time.

It's just bizarre that a few select scenes are in HD while the rest are not.

 

[Tetsujin]

You don't need to film digitally for HD. 35mm films are perfecty capable of delivering detail even above 1080p.

Try the Peter Jackson remake of King Kong. Upscaled.

What? That's news to me.

 

[LicoriceAllsorts]

As others have said, I thought ACC made more sense, relatively speaking.
Now I am biased, but for me the Turks can never have enough screen time.
One thing that niggled me was this: in the scene with Rude and Reno, when they discuss Shinra's guilt and wonder if Tseng and Elena are still alive, Reno did not seem to be perfectly animated when he was sitting and moving on the sofa. It was almost as if the animators/programmers had done that section in a rush and hadn't quite tidied him up. His movements didn't seem as realistic as everything else in the movie, and he looked kind of... flat. But that might just be me.

 

[Tetsujin]

On a big screen in a theater maybe, but from what I understand when a film gets transferred to DVD quality is lost.

What I meant is, a normal 35mm film which is usually used in theatrical productions even nowadays (I don't think too many people shoot digitally at all) has enough detail for 1080p transfers on Blu-ray and is still able to deliver higher resolutions for future mediums.
Even black and white movies on 35mm are HD-compatible, if the master is in good enough condition.

Which of course, makes it all the more questionable why a CGI movie has to be upscaled.

Also, since Mako claimed King Kong was upscaled:
http://www.staticgamer.com/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/350/size/big/cat/recent/limit/recent

...does that look upscaled to you?

I don't know any other upscaled BD movie besides ACC actually. I've heard it is done for a couple of animes in Japan, but I haven't heard about any other upscaled Blu-ray movie.

Thing is, why even go on about how Blu-ray and HD is so awesome for all the added detail if most of the added detail is in upscaled SD only?
I feel cheated. Look at how brilliant other CGI movies look on BD. Like Wall-E.

Or even Spirits Within!

 

[Max Payne]

Also, since Mako claimed King Kong was upscaled:
http://www.staticgamer.com/gallery/s...t/limit/recent

notrly

and Wall-E really is beautiful in 1080p

 

[Masamune]

Yeah I don't think that's the case at all. WE knew everything ACC added because we're nerds, but FF7 was played by a huge amount of people, I know lots of people who saw AC because they remembered FF7, complained that it didn't make sense, and moved on. They didn't look into it. OTWTS was only barely available. If you bought the limited edition you'd have it, which by definition, not most people who watched AC bought. Or you could find it online, which you, again, would only do as a fairly hardcore fan.

AC was marketed towards the otaku. It was a niche market, that just so happened to pull in a few general anime fans along the way. Think of it this way, if the novellas weren't popular they wouldn't have released another collection afterwards.

 

[Makoeyes987]

Actually I spoke in error. King Kong is 1080p. My bad. However the movies Fantastic Four and Batman Begins are movies in 720p. They're upscaled.

That's through running them through the DU test.

 

[Tetsujin]

Actually I spoke in error. King Kong is 1080p. My bad. However the movies Fantastic Four and Batman Begins are movies in 720p. They're upscaled.

That's through running them through the DU test.

Link me to the sauce, I'd like to check and see this faggotry with my own eyes.

EDIT: Nvm, google was faster.

 

[Makoeyes987]

Try the Peter Jackson remake of King Kong. Upscaled. I could bring up some others but cba.

Yeah. Studios are sometimes lazy. That's new?

Link me to the sauce, I'd like to check and see this faggotry with my own eyes.

Here you go.

This thread is damn good in seeing what releases are true HD, and just upscaled.

 

[Eerie]

Going back to AC VS ACC, there's no way AC can beat ACC. It was way better, in many point - plot better explained, characters actually being more developped, especially CLOUD who is a true dick in AC but becomes a real lovable character in ACC, fights being understandable, at least!

For me, it was a real relief, because I hated AC so much, yet I love ACC. Yes, seeing what they did to Cloud in AC made me rant for ages, but seeing his character truly developped and his actions actually explained in ACC pleased me.

Also, I should point out that, until recently - before I joined here, obviously- I was barely aware of the whole Compilation, and that I only read the old CoT because I saw someone mentioning it per chance somewhere on teh web. So I guess that I was your average fan for AC, since I played FF7 a long time ago and wondered what they could have in store for it. Needless to say, I wasn't very happy, back then

 

[Tetsujin]

And btw...

I love how you keep going on about that.

As long as S-E will release upscaled movies and games with too many goddamn invisible walls, I will be there to call them out for it!

Again and again and again and again.....

Here you go.

This thread is damn good in seeing what releases are true HD, and just upscaled.

Yeah, that's the same thread I just found. Interesting shit is interesting.

 

[Arianna]

Wow, this thread is complete bullocks.

Can you not insult someone? Gods. Now I am offended.

If you don't like it - as it's not breaking rules - don't read or post.

Geez. Maybe I take it too personally, but - really.

Anyhow, it's just something I did out of boredom, but if we can have meaningful conversation...

Good!

I think it's slightly overhyped. I think it was ridiculous that basically all the new scenes were to add material to supplement the new characters (The Trio and Denzel), and they added nothing which included the Avalanche crew. If Square's doing any fanservice, it's to the AC fans, not really to the FF7 fans. ... I do like that Geostigma is more graphic. I like that certain aspects were better explained, and small pieces were set in to "complete" the story.

Same. *Thanked*

And for the record, just so it's stated plainly, I am not saying I hate ACC.

I like the storyline, but I feel that the additions that made ACC really - detracted more than added to it's allure.

That's all I can say. (Three or four posts later. )

 

[Smaddy]

Well, first, we know everything about AVALANCHE, the SHM and Denzel are the people the viewer doesn't know about. But even so...I think Reno and Rude got far more new screen time than Denzel or the SHM, so I'm not sure where you're getting that.

IMO Denzel got a boatload of new scenes. Now that you mention it, I don't understand why the Turks also got an additional scene- don't we already know about the Turks?

I do understand why they would add more scenes to clarifiy the new material, but I'm not necessarily happy with it.

My gripe with the lack of Avalanche is, people got so into FF7 because of the characters- and there were more in the cast than merely Sephiroth, Cloud, Tifa, and Aeris. So the movie comes out, you'd assume Avalanche would have some part in it, but nope. One fight scene, and a small dialogue on the Airship.

Huh? You mean the fact that you could hear the news broadcast? That was ridiculous?

I'm talking about when Denzel first wakes up after the Sector 7 disaster, finds Cloud's phone and ends up calling Tifa. The scene is fine (it's a good addition, very sad scene), until Tifa starts talking. Her lines are strange at times. "Are you crying?" who asks that to a stranger on the phone?

I thought the radio broadcast of the news at the beginning when Tifa's in the bar was actually well-done and a very good touch.

To clarify- I do think ACC is better, I just think several of their changes are questionable. I think at times, too much was added in and it seems kind of patchy. And I still say including the entire Avalanche group in more scenes would've been nice. Why all this fanservice to Reno and Rude, I'll never know. They're cool, but I just don't understand that decision.

 

[Tetsujin]

"Are you crying?" who asks that to a stranger on the phone?

Huh? I don't know, to me it seems pretty natural that a woman would be concerned if she has a boy suddenly calling her who then starts crying.

 

[Makoeyes987]

Why don't you give some examples of these supposed detractions that somehow take away from the original AC. Because I seriously would like to hear how this makes any sense.

To clarify- I do think ACC is better, I just think several of their changes are questionable. I think at times, too much was added in and it seems kind of patchy

AC was barely a movie. How could it be too much? I can see what you mean by criticizing the integration of the new scenes, but how is it too much? The movie's barely 2 hours long. That's too long for people now?

 

[Vendel]

ACC is superior. The only thing that bothered me was how the Zack back to back scene dragged on long. It completely broke the flow.

 

[Arianna]

Why don't you give some examples of these supposed detractions that somehow take away from the original AC. Because I seriously would like to hear how this makes any sense.

I already gave examples. End of story.

 

[Makoeyes987]

Might be the end of the story, but the story makes no sense.

The chopper scene with the Turks really - distracted me. I can appreciate the humor, and gods know I loved Rude's bazooka, but - overall it was - silly. It made the events too comical, too unreal...

(Yeah, I say this, knowing full well that no one could do such gravity defying feats as the characters in this movie have.)

How does a scene "distract" you? And the Turks were comical back in AC, so blaming it on ACC making them too comical and unreal seems pretty absurd. They were already established as comic relief the first time around.

The beginning that shows how the three SHM were 'born' is pretty cool; though I still stand on my opinion that that was big-time fan service.

Yeah, and so's the entire movie. What's your point...?

So, yeah - there were things I appreciated, and liked. Overall, I just feel that the 'director's cut' could have been better orchestated. With the time and money they were allowed to put into the final version, I expected more and better.

So again, what do you want? What is your criticism or point that somehow makes the original better? You saying you wished some of the scenes had better execution doesn't explain how this extended and fleshed out director's cut is somehow inferior to the original.

... I still say Yazoo was much better in his original (deleted scene) version; much more an offensive fighter, using the gun-blade as both types of weapons.

...He does that in the movie too.

 

[Arianna]

Fine. My opinions:

I don't hate Denzel, but there was really entirely too much Denzel. Yes, if one just watches the movie as it was, there truly was no explanation regarding this child and how he came to be in Cloud and Tifa's care; while explanations are great, I think it was a tad overkill. He was a child with Geostigma who came across Cloud's bike and in inflicted pain, hunger and curiosity called Tifa, then collapsed and Cloud came upon him, in which then he took him to Seventh Heaven. Gotcha. While the flashback on the scene of the trauma of the destruction of Sector Seven was executed nicely, I think it only served to have people asking more questions about him, in which I guess could be a plot by SE to have those people read the On the Way to a Smile stories... In other words, I think it was too much information.

The truck scene with the kids. The purpose of this was? I just don't think it really needed to be there. AC served the point well with having the kids pile onto the bed of the truck, and then give a small scene where Yazoo smiles, humphs and walks away. I think we could understand Denzel was in a bad predicament, same with the other children afflicted with Geostigma/are orphans (as I would think they are more vulnerable).

The Moogle girl is cute, and it's nice to see her have more of a role. I don't think this was a bad addition. Now this is really another part of the movie that irked me, but the end was too sugary sweet (everyone running, hand in hand towards the church.) I'm sorry, while I do like good deeds and positive winning out over negative, that part was just too sweet for me. First Aerith's now got goddess powers to heal Midgar's Edge/the world (which is yet another point, but that was in AC), and then a scene like fairies running through the forest... No. I just didn't like it. Sometimes I love to see fairies running through the forest - just not in that movie, not how it was portrayed.

What got me about the added fight scene between the Turks and Yazoo and Loz is the feats performed. Okay, yes, Sephiroth and Cloud flying through the air and clashing swords, knocking down buildings with a swipe of the blade, things of that nature - it's along the same lines; but, I personally could handle a little bit of gravity defying feats. The addition of the Turks battling it out with the two SHM, it was too much gravity defying feats - in other words, I felt it got ridiculous.

The scene where Kadaj stops Marlene from escaping is cool. Loz kissing the materia is freaky. All the more close ups of the SHM made me think of documentaries regarding psychopaths. I realize the three are mentally unstable (Kadaj more so), as Sephiroth is, but... I always got an unsteady feeling when it came to all the closeups between those three and Sephiroth with anyone. Boundaries?! (Not saying killing, kid napping and the like fails to cross boundaries, too.)

I did like the new opening showing more of Midgar's Edge. I think that was fitting.

Which leads me to the last point I think I'm going to make for this thread: the name changes. Little detail? Perhaps. I just like to have things fleshed out before anything official is published. Perhaps it goes to my belief in the fact that names, even just descriptions, are important. Healin' was just as good as Healen... Whatever.

Overall, it's just my thoughts on what was good and what was not so good in the second rendition of the movie. I am not hating the movie, stated again just to make sure there's understanding of my overall opinion. What Nomura and the team wanted in the movie or didn't want in the movie is what matters, and I can accept that. I still can have my thoughts on the final project.

Advent Children Complete was 'eh' to me, compared to what I thought of Advent Children when it came out.

 

[ForceStealer]

You're complaints are just kinda...weird. So you get a call from your friend's phone but all you hear is a little boy. When you press him for who he is and all you hear is sniffling, you wouldn't think to ask if whoever it is is crying?

Too much information on Denzel? What's too much about it? Before the movie told us literally nothing, and now it tells you how they met. I don't get it.

The truck scene with the kids. The purpose of this was?

The movie. The purpose of this was? Really, what kind of argument is that? Was there a "point" to any of it? The truck scene is like 30 seconds. Did you have somewhere else to be?

First Aerith's now got goddess powers to heal Midgar's Edge/the world (which is yet another point, but that was in AC),

Just Midgar Edge. And it was Great Gospel.

The addition of the Turks battling it out with the two SHM, it was too much gravity defying feats - in other words, I felt it got ridiculous.

As you yourself imply, saying that about this given the Cloud/Sephiroth fight is absurd. The only spectacular feat in the fight is Yazoo jumping through the helicopter, that put it over the top?
You say you can put up with some gravity-defying feats but not too much. Well it sounds like you're backwards then. You should be fine with this one feat and not Cloud and Sephiroth fighting on falling debris followed by Cloud going from this debris to the top of the Shinra building in a single bound.

The scene where Kadaj stops Marlene from escaping is cool. Loz kissing the materia is freaky. All the more close ups of the SHM made me think of documentaries regarding psychopaths. I realize the three are mentally unstable (Kadaj more so), as Sephiroth is, but... I always got an unsteady feeling when it came to all the closeups between those three and Sephiroth with anyone. Boundaries?! (Not saying killing, kid napping and the like fails to cross boundaries, too.)

Yeah this makes no sense at all. So you were unsettled by the villains...and this is bad? So essentially putting a bunch of 10-year-old kids on a drug trip is fine, but kissing a materia, man, that is over the top. What sick, twisted writers made this movie?!

the name changes. Little detail? Perhaps. I just like to have things fleshed out before anything official is published. Perhaps it goes to my belief in the fact that names, even just descriptions, are important. Healin' was just as good as Healen... Whatever.

 

[Neutron Ronnie]

Actually, there's one thing I didn't like about ACC, though it might be my flawed understanding...

Who EXACTLY calls Marlene and Denzel at the end of the movie?

 

[LicoriceAllsorts]

Actually, there's one thing I didn't like about ACC, though it might be my flawed understanding...

Who EXACTLY calls Marlene and Denzel at the end of the movie?

If you mean when all the phones ring, it's Aerith, I think. I read that somewhere. The film doesn't make it completely clear.