How come Cloud and the others could hear the cry of the planet?

[ForceStealer]

But maybe they hear it, simply because they were listening. The fact that they cared so much about the planet, let it share it's feelings with them.

Yeah, it's that. Anyone could hear it if they just opened their...hearts, if you will, to it. All you really have to do is listen and no one does, wasn't that the point?

 

[Tennyo]

If exposure to Mako is a reason, then a lot more people would hear it. I guess there's nothing that says nobody else hears it, either...

^This. Does it even mention anywhere in the game that no one else anywhere ever hears the cries of the planet as well? How do we know there aren't other people that heard it?

 

[Alex]

The planet was probably whining very loudly and made lots of posts in the FF&S forum in order to draw attention to itself.

 

[Cetra29]

1. You don't have to be a Cetra to hear the planet. Bugenhagen is a perfect example. The cetra simply have an innate knack for it, either by blood or by culture.

Bugenhagen can listen to the planet because of the same reason the party can listen to it.


Smaddy, "Ryu Kaze's" translation is a very good résumé of the Ultimania Omega. There are just a few mistakes in it, but most of it is correct.

 

[Smaddy]

^This. Does it even mention anywhere in the game that no one else anywhere ever hears the cries of the planet as well? How do we know there aren't other people that heard it?

Yeah. There's nothing that says anyone else can't hear it.

It's kind of like how people today hear about "global warming" and "you should recycle" and such -- in essence, "you should care about the Earth and your impact on it" -- and some people heed the warning, and others don't do anything.

Tangent: Everyone knows the song that plays in the Ancient Capitol, right? It popped up on my iTunes last night, and I was amused by the song's title: "You Can Hear the Cry of the Planet."

Back on-topic: Personally, I'm sticking to my belief that Bugenhagen taught them about it, made them aware of it, and that's why they specifically hear it.

 

[Ryushikaze]

Bugenhagen can listen to the planet because of the same reason the party can listen to it.

Bugenhagen has been listening to the planet for years upon years, before AVALANCHE first got started, without visiting the forgotten capitol and becoming 'part Cetra.'
Same with Red XIII and his people.

Smaddy, "Ryu Kaze's" translation is a very good résumé of the Ultimania Omega. There are just a few mistakes in it, but most of it is correct.

Which is not Smaddy's point. Smaddy's point is that your evidence is Ryu Kaze's speculation, and does not originate from the text. It's reasonable speculation, but is still speculation.

 

[Cetra29]

Bugenhagen has been listening to the planet for years upon years, before AVALANCHE first got started, without visiting the forgotten capitol and becoming 'part Cetra.'
Same with Red XIII and his people.

That's correct. It's because of Cosmo Canyon. You can hear the planet there. And Bugenhagen and AVALANCE gained the ability to hear what the planet says. I've just mentioned the thing with the forgotten capital tto make it easier because you learn some abilities from the cetra there as well - well, Aerith and Bugenhagen. Aerith and Bugenhagen learn to understand how the White Materia works and Bugenhagen learns how to use this music box think to activate the waterfall.

Which is not Smaddy's point. Smaddy's point is that your evidence is Ryu Kaze's speculation, and does not originate from the text. It's reasonable speculation, but is still speculation.

I am sorry, but that's not just speculation. I can read the Ultimania Omega as well - it's just that most of the people don't accept what you write when you say you were the one who has translated it because then you get the answer "Yeah, of course...you can tell us everything as long as we can't read it.". So that's why I can assure you that most of his translation and résumé is very good. I've already said, a few mistakes are in it (of course - japanese is hard to understand), but the rest is not bad.

 

[The Twilight Mexican]

That section of the Ultimania Omega doesn't itself say anything about ordinary humans being able to learn abilities of the Cetra. That's definitely the author's own analysis at work.

Like Ryushikaze said, it's reasonable speculation given what we see in the game, but speculation nonetheless as far as that passage from the Ultimania goes. That FAQ even says at the beginning that anything bracketed off is either an attempt to clarify meaning in English or a section containing the author's speculation.

 

[Ryushikaze]

That's correct. It's because of Cosmo Canyon. You can hear the planet there. And Bugenhagen and AVALANCE gained the ability to hear what the planet says. I've just mentioned the thing with the forgotten capital tto make it easier because you learn some abilities from the cetra there as well - well, Aerith and Bugenhagen. Aerith and Bugenhagen learn to understand how the White Materia works and Bugenhagen learns how to use this music box think to activate the waterfall.

Aerith learned how the white and black materia worked from the Temple. Bugen figured it out from the waterfall and various notes.

I am sorry, but that's not just speculation. I can read the Ultimania Omega as well - it's just that most of the people don't accept what you write when you say you were the one who has translated it because then you get the answer "Yeah, of course...you can tell us everything as long as we can't read it.". So that's why I can assure you that most of his translation and résumé is very good. I've already said, a few mistakes are in it (of course - japanese is hard to understand), but the rest is not bad.

And YET AGAIN, you AREN'T LISTENING.
NO one, but NO ONE is presently calling issue with Ryu Kaze's actual translation. What we are pointing out that nowhere in the actual translation is the idea that people can become part cetra. Like Tres, said, the bracketed part is his own extrapolation, not the actual text.

 

[Smaddy]

That's correct. It's because of Cosmo Canyon. You can hear the planet there. And Bugenhagen and AVALANCE gained the ability to hear what the planet says. I've just mentioned the thing with the forgotten capital tto make it easier because you learn some abilities from the cetra there as well - well, Aerith and Bugenhagen. Aerith and Bugenhagen learn to understand how the White Materia works and Bugenhagen learns how to use this music box think to activate the waterfall.

You can also hear the planet way up on the Highwind.

It's hard to say if they gained the ability to hear the Planet-
1. Who's to say it was or wasn't 'crying' before FF7
2. It's unknown if other civilians (non-player characters) can hear the Planet.

But Bugenhagen certainly taught them what that noise is. Bugenhagen learned over time, from studying various things. I don't think it's ever outright stated how he learned what the Planet's cry sounded like, so yes, it's plausible that he researched Cetra sources.

I have to re-read about the White Materia, because I do not recall that info off-hand. However, what I do know is, the only reason Bugenhagen knows anything about the "music box"/waterfall is because a scientist wrote a note in chalk by the Cetra writing. I believe he even says something to the effect of, "Oh I can't read the writing of the Cetra!" (I'm perfectly willing to go quote it, if you'd like.)

I am sorry, but that's not just speculation. I can read the Ultimania Omega as well - it's just that most of the people don't accept what you write when you say you were the one who has translated it because then you get the answer "Yeah, of course...you can tell us everything as long as we can't read it.". So that's why I can assure you that most of his translation and résumé is very good. I've already said, a few mistakes are in it (of course - japanese is hard to understand), but the rest is not bad.

But it IS speculation. The quote you took was clearly from the author's "interpretation" section. I re-read the section many, many times to make sure I didn't miss anything. Nothing in the original, Ultimania translation says anything about a normal human of non-pure Cetra ancestry being able to become Cetra by doing anything.

I think the idea that all people on Gaia have Cetra blood in them (due to the fact that the surviving Cetra lived among humans) is a really interesting theory. I think it's plausible. I don't think it's plausible enough to say that therefore AVALANCHE can hear the cry of the Planet due to that. And, again, there is nothing from the actual Ultimania text that backs up this theory.

I also think it needs to be stated, there is a difference between AVALANCHE hearing the cry of the Planet, and Aeris listening/talking with the Planet.

AVALANCHE hears the cry, but they really cannot say what exactly it is the Planet is trying to say, except that it's being hurt. Nor can any of them converse back to the Planet. (I kind of think of it like when a baby cries, you hear it crying... but you don't necessarily know why it's crying, just that the baby is in distress.)

Aeris, in a limited fashion, can sometimes hear and interpret what the Planet is saying. She can also, at times, talk back to the Planet -- most famously when she prays for Holy.

 

[Dark and Divine]

2. It's unknown if other civilians (non-player characters) can hear the Planet.

Curiously, I clearly remember a NPC at Icicle Inn/Lodge saying that he could hear cries coming from the Northen Crater during and after the Mako Cannon's blast destroyed Sephiroth's barrier.

 

[Smaddy]

Curiously, I clearly remember a NPC at Icicle Inn/Lodge saying that he could hear cries coming from the Northen Crater during and after the Mako Cannon's blast destroyed Sephiroth's barrier.

My opinion is, I think anyone can hear the sound... it's just a matter of recognizing what it is, and choosing to do something about it.

I think of someone like Cid, who very clearly states he's on the side of science (in science vs "magic"). If he can hear the Planet's cry, then why can't someone else?

 

[Max Payne]

I dunno, if the average dood could hear it there'd be more folks talking about it.

 

[Tennyo]

Well it's not like the planet is always constantly crying. In Cosmo Canyon it might have been just them but when they hear it on the airship I always assumed the entire world could hear it.

Or at least the people in their general area.