They could, I dunno, just throwing this out there, try to force him, attack him, challenge or fight him? I'm not saying they'd succeed. I'm surprised thy'd just be like "yeah whatever, he can just leave."
Yeah, I agree.
I was pretty much saying that they weren't strong enough to stop him from leaving. They probably did try to stop him.
In BC he failed to kill Elfe and failed to kill Cloud and Zack and the Player Turk. He was far from unstoppable.
I didn't say or imply he was, I just said that everyone noted how his power climbed visibly everytime he appeared on-screen.
I don't remember coercing being the word used. As far as I know Weiss asked and he declined. He might have just respected his choice, he might have no had a choice because he is always chained up and trying to avod causing problems directly as part of his scheme.
Assuming Weiss could even talk to him, from the quote, it implies that he went to visit Genesis in containment or something. Not like they'd let Genesis wander around before he decided to break-out, and apparently Genesis only decided to leave after he talked to Weiss.
I don't really see Weiss as the type of guy who'd just take "no" for an answer, if he could've kept Genesis there. Plus, the Restrictors were under direct orders to keep Genesis in there, and if they were really intent on doing that, they'd just release Weiss and tell him to collect Genesis again -- which actually aligns quite well with Weiss's objectives.
Unfortunately for him, he probably got his ass kicked, and Genesis just went to seal himself up in a cave.
I didn't get that impression from the Rosso/Cloud encounter. And I'm not saying he wouldn't have won eventually but the same Rosso is absolute pudding in the hands of the Restrictor we see and Weiss.
The fact that we didn't see the fight dosen't mean we can assume that there was a fight.
What I mean by that is, the Ultimania described their off-shoot as Cloud simply ferociously fighting her off, or defending himself from a direct attack. He was hardly trying with the same strenght or vehemence that he used against Loz and Yazoo, or Kadaj and Sephiroth, evident by the fact that he just took one blade to that entire battle.
For all we know, Rosso was probably sent flying after that first clash of blades, effectively being fought off, and Cloud just continuing his mission, un-interested.
Certainly is the more consistent scenario when combined with Cloud's power, so I go with it.
AC Cloud may still be the strongest
I'm sure Cloud is stronger than anyone from that train-wreck of a game. After all, he did easily beat Kadaj quite easily, who was stated to be around as strong as Sephiroth in VII, and then squared off with Sephiroth in AC/C pretty well.
Heck, I'm sure Zack, Angeal and Genesis are also stronger than anyone in that game.
but we're talking about their collective strength facing an opponent not as strong as the one AVALANCHE defeated
Maybe I implied that he'd be facing 8-10 SOLDIERS at the same time alone, but that was not my intention, sorry. Genesis would likely be there too, and they have an army of Genesis Clones. And I don't think they'd even care to face those odds -- after all, both Sephiroth and Genesis can just fly away and kill them later when they're not grouped up.
My point is, with those resources, and Sephiroth, strongest in the world, they can't really lose. Shinra would go down.
Well, nothing since Genesis gave up and decided to try to something vastly different. If Genesis had looked elsewhere sooner we wouldn't have any reason to doubt Zack's cells curing him either, or Jenovas, or Angeals. So yeah, just Hollanders fourth guess doesn't inspire me with a lot of confidence.
However, Hollander's and Genesis initial contentions were that Pure-S Cells would cure Genesis.
He never changed that contention, it's just that neither Zack nor the Nibel people examined HAD pure-S-Cells, you see.
