intro Final fantasy VII (Reactor 4 and 8)

guisado

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Anyone know the reason that the reactors 4 and 8 do not work in Final fantasy vii intro?

and this line of Ifalna:

I'm all right... When the Cetra... were preparing to part with the land they loved...
That's when it appeared!
It looked like... our... our dead mothers... and our dead brothers. Showing us spectres of their past.

The cetra travels to other planets or is traducting error? i think that the human was progeny of the cetra yeah?

thanks all!!!
 

Novus

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Originally I believe they were simply nomadic, they mean parting from the northern region which they had made their home.

Future retcons in DOC hints that they had interstellar space travel.
 

Obsidian Fire

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^^Actually, it's the humans that interstellar spaced traveled from Spira to the Planet. The Cetra never did.
 

Novus

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^^Actually, it's the humans that interstellar spaced traveled from Spira to the Planet. The Cetra never did.

Are you dead certain on this? Didn't Cid say that he dug the engine box out from one of the Ancient civilizations?
If it was supposed to be the humans, it makes less sense because they are mostly living in pre-industrial revolution villages. With the Cetra it would make sense, that they have this whole ubermensch + organic techno life going on.
 

The Twilight Mexican

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Lead FFVII and FFX developers have explained in at least one interview that descendants of Shinra from FFX-2/ancestors of Rufus traveled to FFVII's planet long after the events of FFX-2.

Notice the design similarities between Cid's Shera airship and the Al Bhed airships in X and X-2. The Shera was theirs.
 

Akai Hana

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It is written in the ultimania (I think it's in omega?) about similarity between X's world and VII's world.. And Shinra in FFX researching about energy (?) and Shinra in FFVII make it happen.. And Shinra in ffx is the descendant of shinra in ffvii iirc.. It has been years since I last playing ffx games...
 

Teioh

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I don't understand this question.



Around 2:13 - 2:18 you see the reactors putting out steam/smoke/whatever. The reactor at the top left and the one on the bottom right at 2:13 are not, I'm guessing these are the ones the OP is referring to.

(Hoping that the video shows properly...)
 

Novus

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Lead FFVII and FFX developers have explained in at least one interview that descendants of Shinra from FFX-2/ancestors of Rufus traveled to FFVII's planet long after the events of FFX-2.

Notice the design similarities between Cid's Shera airship and the Al Bhed airships in X and X-2. The Shera was theirs.

Is this the main evidence? Yes I guessed that about Shinra, but does this make entire sense to you guys, plot wise?
Do you mean just the Shinra family (or crew) or the entire human population of Gaia descend from the Shinras/ random members of Spira. Why would they be living in such a tip? Only just discovering electric power a thousand years after, it would have to be for no one to remember that their descendants traveled through space lol.
 

The Twilight Mexican

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Is this the main evidence?

Not really, no. In an interview in the FFX Ultimania Omega from 2002, Yoshinori Kitase and Kazushige Nojima had mentioned that a concept connecting X and VII would be developed over time. It isn't something that just remained in interviews, though.

In X-2, we got Shinra and his idea to siphon energy from within the planet. Then we got the interview from the X-2 Ultimania where Nojima explained that Shinra worked with Rin to try developing the concept, but that his descendants would be the ones to successfully implement it, many generations later on VII's world.

In X-2: International+Last Mission (which came out after the X-2 Ultimania), it's mentioned that Rin and Shinra had been working together on something (clearly a reference to what Nojima was talking about).

Then in Dirge we have the Shera's interior, which is strikingly similar to those of the Al Bhed airships from X and X-2. In addition, an engineer says the ship is an ancient relic.

It's clearly not something the Cetra would have had. If they didn't even chop down trees to make houses, they wouldn't be building airships. The ship is a blatant element of the connection between X and VII.

Novus said:
Do you mean just the Shinra family (or crew) or the entire human population of Gaia descend from the Shinras/ random members of Spira.

The Spirans likely bred with the Cetra who decided to stop being Cetra. Remember that when Sephiroth talks about the Cetra in Nibelheim, he mentions that some gave up being Cetra to be regular humans and live easier lives.

Those Cetra who became normal humans probably did so after the Spirans' migration introduced things like leisure and technology to them.

Novus said:
Why would they be living in such a tip? Only just discovering electric power a thousand years after, it would have to be for no one to remember that their descendants traveled through space lol.

Not hard to picture since people don't even bother with remembering things that happened in their own lifetimes or that of the previous generation. The names of the towns that became Midgar are no longer common knowledge, and Midgar itself hasn't even been around for forty years. There doesn't seem to have been much record keeping done of the world's history until very recent times.

The more advanced technology the Spirans brought with them was probably lost a thousand years earlier when Jenova attacked and sent people running for the hills.
 
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Obsidian Fire

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@Novus: if you think the FFVII/FFX links is weak plot-wise, even when Word of God has said it's the case, you are going to be majorly disappointed by the rest of the Compilation's plot/retcons...
 

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Around 2:13 - 2:18 you see the reactors putting out steam/smoke/whatever. The reactor at the top left and the one on the bottom right at 2:13 are not, I'm guessing these are the ones the OP is referring to.

(Hoping that the video shows properly...)
Ah, I never noticed that. thanks. I honestly don't think anyone knows why. Maybe they were undergoing maintenance that day?
 

Novus

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Perhaps I should expand.

I'm fully aware of the retconned connection between FF7 and FFX. That isn't what I was asking about. Otherwise I wouldn't have brought up interstellar space travel in my original response to this thread.

I was asking for evidence about the connection between the people of Spira, Shinra's descendants vs the people of Gaia and the former not being members of the deceased Cetra but the actual population which was what Obsidian was contesting.

I guess Cetra make more sense to me, which is why I got that interpretation because they have deliberately obscured what their civilization was like. Perhaps it's the theme of 'You can hear the cry of the planet', that has a vague connotation to the music of older science fiction films.
Whereas we have seen what the human civilization was like and haven't seen any evidence pointing towards any previous technological feats. Half of them don't have decent plumbing.

I don't think it is unreasonable for me to assume when Cid refers to this ancient machina he has unearthed, that it belonged to this ultra mysterious deceased race rather than the other less fantastical one.

Remember that when Sephiroth talks about the Cetra in Nibelheim, he mentions that some gave up being Cetra to be regular humans and live easier lives.
I was thinking the Shinra family were these actually, which was my original interpretation when I responded to the thread. They can extract mako like their brethren can, but they use it for evil instead of less dutiful purposes.

It isn't a problem, I guess I got the wrong team. If the compilation had continued in this direction then I'm sure we would have had the appropriate flashbacks some down the line.
 

Obsidian Fire

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I'd say it's a case of humans getting to the Planet, and then abandoning "ancient" technology because they don't have anything with which to power it with (yet). They tell stories to their kids about making power out of spirit energy and that eventually becomes a legend/myth. Then someone in the Shin-Ra family sees mako and wonders if there's any truth to the stories he was told as a kid...
 
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