Irate Gamer anybody?

Charles Xavier

Pro Adventurer
Is anyone here familiar with the controversial Irate Gamer? If you are, you can probably guess why I'm bringing up this topic. Viewers have often compared his work towards that of the Angry Video Game Nerd, due to their similarities. But regardless, what do you guys think of him?
 

Max Caulfield

shaka brah
AKA
Chi, Trollzaya, Dean Winchester, Black Widow
Actually, I was directed there by someone on YouTube called TheArchfiend who was slamming Irate Gamer for being an ass. I've checked out a few of his videos and then checked out AVGN's stuff.

Yeah, he copied, but what really got me was after people started going, "Dude, you're copying AVGN!" he'd deny it, delete comments on his videos that said so, and was all around pretty stupid about it. He could have salvaged at least a little reputation by owning up to it, but instead kept denying it and, if I remember correctly, went to far as to say that Angry Video Game Nerd was copying off him.

I just laughed at what an idiot he was.
 

Hisako

消えないひさ&#
AKA
Satsu, BRIAN BLESSED, MIGHTY AND WISE Junpei Iori: Ace Detective, Maccaffrickstonson von Lichtenstafford Frabenschnaben, Polite Krogan, Robert Baratheon
Oh what times these are when passing ruffians can rip off other game reviewers to the Internet.



Although to be honest, that blog gets a little on my nerves when it seeks to nit-pick all the insignificant aspects of his review and blows them up to proportions equalling the aspects that the guy completely fucks up.


(But really I didn't think the Tekken 6 campaign mode was the worst thing to have ever happened to Tekken. It was a decent premise with smart intentions plagued with poor camera and confusing movement/battle systems. :monster:)
 

Tennyo

Higher Further Faster
I'm sorry, but that blog fails so much harder than the person it is supposed to be about. I mean, just wtf????

A word to both them: neither of you are important members of society!
 

Makoeyes987

Listen closely, there is meaning in my words.
AKA
Smooth Criminal
I'm sorry, but that blog fails so much harder than the person it is supposed to be about. I mean, just wtf????

A word to both them: neither of you are important members of society!

Oh eat it, and let people hate in peace. :monster:
 

Charles Xavier

Pro Adventurer
Actually, I was directed there by someone on YouTube called TheArchfiend who was slamming Irate Gamer for being an ass. I've checked out a few of his videos and then checked out AVGN's stuff.

Yeah, he copied, but what really got me was after people started going, "Dude, you're copying AVGN!" he'd deny it, delete comments on his videos that said so, and was all around pretty stupid about it. He could have salvaged at least a little reputation by owning up to it, but instead kept denying it and, if I remember correctly, went to far as to say that Angry Video Game Nerd was copying off him.

I just laughed at what an idiot he was.

A guy called Armake21 made a famous/infamous rant about the Irate Gamer a couple years back that got deleted on youtube, but here it is on gametrailers. Some very hard words, but I admire the guy's spunk to express his opinion: http://www.gametrailers.com/user-movie/armake21s-rant-on-irate-gamer/182930

But honestly, copying the AVGN or not, I don't really care much. There are plagiarists, copycats and 'hacks' out there in the world far worse than the Irate Gamer. Jared Oz (aka jerichosquink) made some videos, giving his fair opinion about the AVGN and the IG. Anyone who hasn't seen his vids, they can be an eye opener for you.
 
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The Twilight Mexican

Ex-SeeD-ingly good
AKA
TresDias
I'm with Chi on this one. So, yeah, he ripped off some things from the AVGN. While bad, that alone wouldn't be enough to label him a complete tool if he realized the error of his ways -- but instead of owning up to it, he pretended he'd come up with the idea of reviewing video games in an angry fashion all on his own (proven to be a lie by a message he'd sent to the AVGN's YouTube account; a message in which he requested collaboration between the two of them and said that it was the AVGN's videos that inspired him to do his own reviews), and then allowed his supporters to humiliate themselves by accusing the AVGN of ripping off the IG.

He even allowed -- and by "allowed" I mean never admitted to his douchebaggery and put a stop to all this nonsense -- some supporters to go around claiming that he had been making gaming reviews before the AVGN (even though James had created his account well over a year before Chris), and that the AVGN somehow hacked YouTube's data to alter his join date and the upload dates on his videos. And I guess to somehow alter the memories of people who had been watching James's videos well before Chris started doing his.

So, yeah, nothing good to say about Chris Bores. The guy's a shit. End of.
 

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Mr. Thou
AKA
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Anyway, this makes me want to watch some old goodies.

He's gonna take you back to the past

To play the shitty games that suck ass



 

Charles Xavier

Pro Adventurer
I'm with Chi on this one. So, yeah, he ripped off some things from the AVGN. While bad, that alone wouldn't be enough to label him a complete tool if he realized the error of his ways -- but instead of owning up to it, he pretended he'd come up with the idea of reviewing video games in an angry fashion all on his own (proven to be a lie by a message he'd sent to the AVGN's YouTube account; a message in which he requested collaboration between the two of them and said that it was the AVGN's videos that inspired him to do his own reviews), and then allowed his supporters to humiliate themselves by accusing the AVGN of ripping off the IG.

He even allowed -- and by "allowed" I mean never admitted to his douchebaggery and put a stop to all this nonsense -- some supporters to go around claiming that he had been making gaming reviews before the AVGN (even though James had created his account well over a year before Chris), and that the AVGN somehow hacked YouTube's data to alter his join date and the upload dates on his videos. And I guess to somehow alter the memories of people who had been watching James's videos well before Chris started doing his.

So, yeah, nothing good to say about Chris Bores. The guy's a shit. End of.

I'm skeptical about this. Is there proof Bores himself personally made these claims and sent messages to the AVGN, or could all this have just been the work of some crazy fan boys who just want to stir up trouble?
 

The Twilight Mexican

Ex-SeeD-ingly good
AKA
TresDias
I'm skeptical about this. Is there proof Bores himself personally made these claims and sent messages to the AVGN, or could all this have just been the work of some crazy fan boys who just want to stir up trouble?

He definitely really claimed that he came up with the idea on his own and that the AVGN wasn't a source of inspiration for it at all:
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x7t42t_uncensored-net-noise-irate-gamer_videogames

As for the message to AVGN, either Mike Matei (AVGN's co-writer; it wasn't a fan who surfaced with the letter) is full of shit and the letter he posted on the ScrewAttack forums was a fabrication, or it's simply true. Given that the IG's "Thank you" video after he got featured on YouTube's front page -- a video he later removed -- demonstrates contradictions in his claims about his knowledge of the games he was reviewing (e.g. why, in 2007, would he need to do all this research for his review on "Super Mario Bros. 2" if he'd been playing games for 20 years and knew the ins and outs of them as he claimed? He should already know that "Super Mario Bros. 2" was actually "Yume Kōjō: Doki Doki Panic," and also shouldn't be using phrases like "Everything has been stolen" -- demonstrating a complete lack of knowledge about Japanese game developers occasionally making name conversions for their overseas markets), I feel he's shown himself to be some dickhead who just jumped onto the retro video game reviewing scene when he saw how popular -- and potentially lucrative -- it was going to get thanks to the AVGN.

So, yeah, the letter has some legitimate reasons to be believed to be real.
 
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Charles Xavier

Pro Adventurer
Hope it's all right to bring back this thread.

It's been about 5/6 years since the Irate Gamer made his first appearance. Wondered if any of your opinions about him might have changed or not.

And on the topic; just thought I'd share this funny video. It was done a while back, but doesn't get old :D. Here's Linkara making fun of the Irate Gamer:

 

Arianna

Holy, Personified
AKA
Katie; Seta.
Honestly, almost anyone who puts a game or movie review up on YouTube, or even television or radio (podcasts included), are copying one another; or, copying the person who came up with the idea first. There's slight differences, and the difference of opinion, but after that, everything's the same.

(I don't know about Irate Gamer and I believe I've only heard the name of Angry Video Game Nerd.)
 

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Mr. Thou
AKA
null
My opinion hasn't changed because I watched one episode of IG and never came back. Honestly I completely forgot about the guy.
 

Geostigma

Pro Adventurer
AKA
gabe
My opinion still hasnt changed either (not that I voiced it last time around).

I still believe Bores is a d-bag.
As a youtuber I know how incredibly difficult it is to be original (i.e. impossible) but thats still not an excuse for being the phenomenal ass that mr. Bores has been in the last half decade.

Literally thousands (obviously many more :monster:) of youbers have surfaced since AVGN and IG who were able to put there own spin on things and be semi successful. I dont see why IG still continues to be the unfunny jack ass he is. The guy just needs to get off the internet tbh.
 

Charles Xavier

Pro Adventurer
Surprisingly enough, British video gamer Guru Larry (Guru Larry and Wez fame) admitted himself that he finds the Irate Gamer far more entertaining than the Angry Video Game Nerd. Although he did have words of advice on how Bores could improve:

It’s amazing how quickly five years can pass on the web, we’ve seen eCelebs rise and fall, get their own TV shows and movies, even spew out official merchandise from faceless corporations.
…And yet, in all these years, Chris has not changed in the slightest, aside from producing less and less content as time goes on.


So you’re obviously asking yourself. Do I hate the Irate Gamer? And the answer is a strong, resounding No. Absolutely not... Since he entered our lives that warm April day of 2007, I can safely say that pound for pound I’ve found Chris far more entertaining than anything the James Rolfe has ever produced, more than a lot of “angry reviewers”.


I’ve spoken to Chris many many times over the years and he’s always been extremely polite, pleasant and friendly to me. And I always ignored internal politics, (Aside from Wez, I was the only member of ScrewAttack not giving him shit over the whole AVGN ordeal and would openly talk with him) and the opinions of others.
I do honestly like Chris and I want him to succeed!

So as we pass the fifth anniversary of his YouTube channel and his unexpected rise into power, one can’t help thinking if he were start over again this year, what pitfalls could Chris have avoided to become a stronger, more popular and ultimately more respected eCeleb in the community and more so, what lessons have we learned that could still bring him to this level?
(Then again if he started this year, he’d probably be doing frickin’ zero effort Minecraft Let’s Plays)

So, without further ado, I give you my six ways the Irate Gamer can improve…



1. Research Your Subject!
I’ll start with the obvious (and paramount) area first of all…


The information you write into your video sucks, I’m sorry, but it’s true! No matter how much you bury your head in the sand and deny it, or accuse people of being stupid/trolls for contradicting you, the lack of factual information in your videos was, and always is your biggest downfall. Your level of accuracy borders on parody. It’s long since replaced your stigma of being an “AVGN rip off”.
I mean, if the father of video games, Ralph Baer, himself calls you an idiot for your lacklustre research, you know… It may be a hint to actually do some!!!


So, how can you improve? Simple, just research as much as you possibly can before putting pen to paper, erm, finger to keyboard. You are a “journalist” after all! Don’t just half ass information into scripts and then fill in the blanks with your imagination, like you currently do.
As Sherlock Holmes once said: “It is a capital mistake to theorize before one has data. Insensibly one begins to twist facts to suit theories, instead of theories to suit fact”


Also, Wikipedia is not your enemy Chris, whilst some may scoff at its information, a lot of it IS notable and backed up with credible references to various official websites, books, newspaper/magazine articles or videos Etc. if you require further proof. This is where the art of cross-referencing comes to play! I.E. lots of research.
And even after that, you’re still adamant of avoiding Wikipedia, there’s always Moby Games (the IMDB of video games), GamesPress, a trade site with information supplied by the publishers themselves and excellently resourced retro game sites such as Hardcore Gaming 101.
There’s a whole world of sourcable information out there on the interwebs Chris, you just need to put the effort in to find it!

2. Stop Ostracising Yourself


This seems to be an area only I’ve really noticed over the years, but it has always been a major issue.
Chris has always ostracised himself from the video gaming community and YouTube in general. He’s never once involved himself in forums, discussions, livestreams Etc. He’s never once even made a Q&A to engage with his fans.
And aside from that Robocop review with Nick Huggett (SWAG) (which he then re-made MINUS Swag) he’s never once had a cross-over or cameo in a video. And that feels incredibly alien coming from someone who works on TGWTG ;D
“What The Buck” doesn’t count, (This plays with your irrelevancy you constantly pander to which I’ll go into later) What on earth made you think it would be a good idea to have a cameo from him? He has as much gaming appeal to your audience as you do to fans of effeminate males who make bitchy remarks about third rate Hollywood celebrities.


A cross over video with another member of the online gaming community would give untold benefit to your reputation AND give you a new audience, far more stable than running competitions ever will (which I’ll also go into later). Not everyone out there hates you Chris, and I know some would love to help you out. Just don’t forget to credit them!
Of course, one might say he’s just alienated because of the vindication from the gaming community and twats on the radio, but if you’re not prepared to bite the bullet and speak to others, then nothing is ever going to change.

3. Be Consistent with New Content…


Consistency is a MAJOR factor for any “eCeleb” on the internet, no matter what their subject/genre. A fanbase enjoys a routine where they can regularly check out their favourite show on a particular day of the week/month. Being sporadic with videos, uploading when you feel like, will only stagnate your subscribers at best, lose them at the worst. Look at what may be considered some of the more popular eCelebs, such as the Nostalgia Critic or Yahtzee, they release new shows on a weekly basis, and the AVGN would (until recently) publish monthly.


It is understandable that some videos may take longer than a week for you to produce, so the way around that is to stockpile a bunch of videos and then release them as seasons, kind of like how TV shows work. (also how story arcs are supposed to work).
You need to remember this isn’t 2007 anymore. There is an infinitely larger amount of competition for your subscribers out there now and if you’re not prepared to put the effort in to provide sustainable content for them, someone else is more than willing to.

4. Set in Stone Who your Target Audience Is...


You seem highly self-contradicting on who you want your videos to appeal to Chris, you want to appeal to a younger/family audience by removing all swearing, and in the next video you’re “Effing” and “Blinding” again, instantly driving away that new audience you built. So decide who you want the show for once and for all. Again, it’s consistency.
Also choosing an age demographic isn’t solely about the language you use in a video, but also in regards to chrono-cultural references. Chances are the majority of the kids watching your show have no idea who the Hell Steve Urkel is as they weren’t alive in the 90’s, (Hell, even I didn’t know until recently and my only reference was “he did the original voice of Sonic” – But that’s regional cultural, rather than age). So stick to references that people you’re targeting will know, instantly making the joke understandable and in-turn “funny”.


Also stop with the “random access humor” as Chris chan would put it. If you’re going to include a joke, make it relevant to the subject. For instance, How the fuck is randomly placing Hamburgular into the Robocop 2 review supposed to be funny??? Saying or adding something completely unrelated isn’t humorous, it just makes you look like a ‘tard.
Rubber Monkey Tuesday Cheesecake. Was that funny then? No. So don’t.

5. Stop with the Competitions!!!


Seriously stop with the constant competitions!
Creating competitions as an enticement for new subscribers (which require a subscription as part of the qualification to enter) is ultimately a fruitless endeavour for ANY channel, because as soon as the competition is over, a huge chunk will un-subscribe from you.
On top of that, your competitions are so common and expectant, Most of your video comments consist of “PICK ME” regardless of the context, and the actual “proper” shows that you want people to watch have terrible views because of so.
TL;DR The majority of your viewers are fickle fuckers whom only sub to you in hope of free stuff.


It could also be a possible reason for your sudden loss of subs recently too, you were offering PS3s and iPods in the early days, impressive prizes. But now you’re essentially offering junk in comparison, (home burnt DVDs and Mouse Pads (Mats)), which aren’t even worth the effort of typing in “PICK ME” to, so they’ll un-sub.
…And that’s for the people who AREN’T aware Mommy picks only the most loyal of fans to be bestowed your redundant homemade merchandise, making the competitions pointless to enter in the first place (a competition is derived from either luck or skill – NEVER loyalty, Loyalty is a Reward scheme). So unless it’s a one off with a prize of a decent monetary value AND you’ll judge fairly and without prejudice. Then stop.

6. Take Advantage of your Successes


Finally, this sort of relates to you again and your ineptitude of engaging your audience, but you really need to brand yourself better.
For starters, you ARE the Irate Gamer, so foremost you should prioritise and make Irate Gamer episodes above all else. I Rate the 80’s, History of Video Games, Haunted Investegations and Irate Gamer Neo are fun little excursions, but they shouldn’t be made in a way that will sacrifice production of your flagship show.
Your cast of characters also need to be streamlined, though you’ve managed to do that practically with The Wise Sage and Scottie due to your excellent ability of retaining friendships, but characters like Wilson (or whatever you call him this week), Goro, Kool Aid Man, ROB the robot Etc (aside from you not owning the rights to them) should be one off characters, not regulars.



The Evil Gamer is crap, it’s just a slightly more energetic version of you in a wig. No personality, He is hardly a villain when the Irate Gamer comes across as a bigger dick than him.
Shadow Overlord is also stupid, it’s obvious that the character had very little effort involved to any actual character design as it’s blatantly just you in silhouette doing a shit Arnold Schwarzenegger impression. The “story ark” has been going on for so long because of your sporadic episodes, I couldn’t care less whom he reveals himself to be. But I doubt we’ll ever see that as you’ve painted yourself into a corner with him.
And Tony Lawler, who looks like they were once just a “chibi” version of you, is just a one dimensional character (no pun intended) who is totally unlikeable do to only ever being able to show one emotion, aggression. Again, he should have just been a one off character for your M.U.S.C.L.E. review.

Your best characters in my opinion are Ronnie the Skeleton, Cousin Joey and to a lesser extent Satan, who really should be the antagonist of the show (rather than the Evil Gamer, Shadow Overlord or that Odyssey in a gimp suit) and not your only friend who takes you out drinking as he’s evolved himself to be.
Finally, Your “catchphrase” “…Game On” isn’t catchy and ultimately nonsensical, whereas one line you said catapulted you to Meme status (Bores and Doors) but never capitalised on the line every picked up on “…Ya Thuink?” Possibly because of my case in the second point, you never engage your audience.

Conclusion
So that’s my list of six ways Chris could improve himself. I highly doubt he’ll ever read this article and given the slim chance that he does, he’ll most likely be so set in his ways, he’ll assume I’m completely wrong and everything he does is the pinnacle of perfection.
But if my advice has landed on deaf ears, as least take this into account Chris… having a large fanbase is a privilege, not a right. YouTube gave you one hell of a foot in the door when they promoted you back in ’07 (if they had given that same gift to the likes of Armake21, UrinatingTree, Eebeto, Jedite1 or PlayItBogart who knows? they could have a million plus subs today instead of sadly fading into obscurity) please don’t squander it any more than you have done.

If this was a video, I’d end it with Hall and Oates, “You’re Out of Touch” as the closing theme :D
 
I've seen one eps of Irate Gamer, and he just annoyed me. AVGN is better, but honestly I only really watch it to see old games, and to hear his actual opinions on them. The random swearing got old fast imo.
His non-avgn stuff is pretty cool tho. He seems like a really cool guy to hang out with.
 

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Mr. Thou
AKA
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I've seen one eps of Irate Gamer, and he just annoyed me. AVGN is better, but honestly I only really watch it to see old games, and to hear his actual opinions on them. The random swearing got old fast imo.
His non-avgn stuff is pretty cool tho. He seems like a really cool guy to hang out with.

That's pretty much it. Rolfe is funny and interesting, informed, insightful, and - most importantly - likeable. When I watch AVGN it's about the games I grew up with. With IG it's about the AVGN's shadow and this one-sided pissing contest.
 
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