It is time for TLS to formulate serious privacy rules

[looneymoon]

The thing about common sense is that it can't be written down.

as soon as common sense becomes chartered, it's no longer common sense. it becomes something authoritarian and alienating.

more importantly, it becomes something semantically malleable that can be manipulated.

it's only when the obsession with following a specific set of rules did this shit get so blown up.

 

[Geostigma]

The thing about common sense is that it can't be written down.

as soon as common sense becomes chartered, it's no longer common sense. it becomes something authoritarian and alienating.

more importantly, it becomes something semantically malleable that can be manipulated.

it's only when the obsession with following a specific set of rules did this shit get so blown up.

Fuck.
That was really well said haha.


All things aside im going to seriously, head desk , record it and make it into a .gif if this drama arose over nudes. This community+nudes= bad idea .__.

 

[Tifabelle]

It's sort of insulting to humanity to attempt to make rules out of common sense.

 

[Octo]

Which is kinda sad, really.

Yeah it is.

The thing is, its about boundaries. Like when Mog had his face photoshopped onto a Mog he didn't mind, but if someone that he wasn't close to had done it maybe he would have minded then. Or when Shademp made my photo into 'DUDE WTF?' I thought it was hilarious, but maybe I wouldn't have felt that way if someone else did it. Or what Dacon said about a stranger calling him 'nigga' -its just different.

I'm not talking about this specific drama here, just any future possible problems that might arise. It interrupts the flow of the forum but I don't see a way around it. In the past there have been complaints about mods making it up as the go along. If we all agree on some basic rules we all know where we stand and theres some consitency to it all.

 

[Ghost X]

Be warned, I'm opening the AKA field can of worms again... but I'm a nice person.

Recently i almost lost my job because someone on another message board couldnt keep there trap shut and Corporate traced somethings i said all the way back to my Work Site and back to me. I dont post on that message board anymore, i dont even lurk it anymore. Thats how uncomfortable i feel regarding the manner, I dont post here that often but this is one of the last venues i have left to keep in contact with some of you and i sure as hell dont want to have even more reason to stop coming here.

This is precisely why I think the AKA field is a privacy issue, because people can google your identity and find out other identities you've previously held, and collect information about you for whatever reason. Even employers are known to do it these days. So wherever we have the power to fight against the concept that "the internet is forever", I think we should have that right. Unless you're a pedo .

A username is a name, and like all names, it can potentially be identifying information. If someone wishes to lessen their "internet presence" by changing their username so its not connected to their actual identity, if such an event happens to occur (and this may be due to reasons beyond a person's reasonable control), they should not be forced to put their username in the AKA field. Apparently, however, this is a policy here. I haven't obviously had an issue with it yet (having this username forever), but its a thought I've had for a while. "What if...?"

If we base this on Australian Privacy Law (and I'm sure similar countries have similar frameworks), information should only be used for its primary purpose. If its used for any other purpose not directly related to the primary purpose, it requires the explicit consent of the user. The record-collector can't force you to use your information for secondary purposes. There is also the detail that a record-collector can not keep identifying information once the primary purpose is done with. I would argue the purpose of the AKA field is not directly related to the purpose of the username. Related, yes, but not directly. If I knew when I registered that I'd be forced to put old usernames in the AKA field, I'd have certainly have thought twice about joining.

I think the argument for the AKA field was so that new members could become familiar with older members and staff etc. For staff, fair enough, but otherwise, if people want to pay attention to who you are, maybe they should put effort into connecting the dots ("Where did X go? Before, X posted this, but now it says Y posted it... oh! They're the same person.") or ask you for contact details or something .

 

[Max Payne]

All things aside im going to seriously, head desk , record it and make it into a .gif if this drama arose over nudes. This community+nudes= bad idea .__.

Nope. There were no nudes tbh. Just a risque picture.

The drama arose over shitty attitudes and bad jokes.

 

[Geostigma]

Nope. There were no nudes tbh. Just a risque picture.

The drama arose over shitty attitudes and bad jokes.

I think that would still merit my home made headdesk.gif then, bad form TLS. Bad form.

 

[looneymoon]

Yeah it is.

The thing is, its about boundaries. Like when Mog had his face photoshopped onto a Mog he didn't mind, but if someone that he wasn't close to had done it maybe he would have minded then. Or when Shademp made my photo into 'DUDE WTF?' I thought it was hilarious, but maybe I wouldn't have felt that way if someone else did it. Or what Dacon said about a stranger calling him 'nigga' -its just different.

I'm not talking about this specific drama here, just any future possible problems that might arise. It interrupts the flow of the forum but I don't see a way around it. In the past there have been complaints about mods making it up as the go along. If we all agree on some basic rules we all know where we stand and theres some consitency to it all.

As a social community, it's inevitable that problems will arise. We can't do anything about personalities clashing or someone misconstruing a social interaction. That's how people are. It's just a matter of dealing with in not only in a calm and mature manner, but in a manner where it doesn't intentionally belittle anyone.

 

[Vendel]

I think the obsession with rules is a major part of the problem

but that's just imo
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Call me crazy. But another part is people putting personal information/pics on a public forum in the first place.

 

[Cat Rage Room]

Call me crazy. But another part is people putting personal information/pics on a public forum in the first place.

thanks for your valuable opinion

*dial tone*

But seriously things are about to clear up. No need.

 

[Vendel]

thanks for your valuable opinion

Well it's a point that seems to be lost on a great many people. And after taking a quick look at this thread it's a point that seemed to get lost in the shuffle, if it was brought up at all.

 

[Cat Rage Room]

I'm not saying you shouldn't be allowed to make that point.

 

[Dashell]

Vendel, could you just like... not please? That's not even really what this is about (granted that's what started it but...), I know you think it is but there's so much more going on here.

EDIT
dammit Mog, ninja in there why don't you?

 

[Tetsujin]

after taking a quick look at this thread

quick looks do not let you know wtf is going on

 

[Cthulhu]

I dont get it.

Me neither. What happened, happened, and the damage done at the incident was undone shortly after by the post itself and the following quotes getting redacted - one a bit slower than the rest, but that happens, deal with it.

I can understand someone quoting a post with a picture and making a remark about it - and as far as I'm concerned, that's fine for as long as the original poster does not complain or did not explicitly forbid quoting the post or reposting the image. Following that, if the original poster wants us to forbid the use of a certain image and/or redact posts containing it, common sense and plain courtesy are enough for us to do it. Intentional reposting of imagery should be obvious enough, and will be dealt with. I think the 'don't be a dick' rule is pretty all-encompassing when it comes to that.

I'm fine with adding one or two lines of extra clarification about this point in the rules if that would help, but other than that, I'm pretty sure it's common sense.

 

[Max Payne]

Well it's a point that seems to be lost on a great many people. And after taking a quick look at this thread it's a point that seemed to get lost in the shuffle, if it was brought up at all.

All you've done is prove that you know nothing at all about this situation and that you've completely failed to grasp the tiniest detail regarding it.

Your point is completely irrelevant.

 

[Cthulhu]

A username is a name, and like all names, it can potentially be identifying information. If someone wishes to lessen their "internet presence" by changing their username so its not connected to their actual identity, if such an event happens to occur (and this may be due to reasons beyond a person's reasonable control), they should not be forced to put their username in the AKA field. Apparently, however, this is a policy here. I haven't obviously had an issue with it yet (having this username forever), but its a thought I've had for a while. "What if...?"

As far as I'm concerned, all the rules are flexible. If this ever happens, and someone wants to change his online identity, we'll make an exemption for that rule. The AKA field rule itself isn't there for forbidding you to have some privacy, it's for convenience's sake - nobody knows who anyone is anymore if it wasn't for the AKA field, or they'd have to ask all the time. Most people change their username for the heck of it. If you want to change your username for privacy reasons, let us know and we won't force the AKA thing on it. Every rule is open to interpretation if you just explain things.

As an extra added bonus, we don't explicitly forbid duplicate accounts, just as long as you don't abuse them. If you want to quit your original account, feel free to either just abandon it and create a new one, or in extreme cases, ask us to have it (and its posts) completely removed.

Final note, people not involved in this should stfu, you're not helping .

 

[Vendel]

All you've done is prove that you know nothing at all about this situation and that you've completely failed to grasp the tiniest detail regarding it.

Your point is completely irrelevant.

Really now? When you thanked Q's post where she admits that yes what I am bringing up is the root cause for all of the drama? Common sense was brought up. But when someone boils it down to it's base level people get offended?

I was responding to someone complaining about "rules". And I made a simple point that deals with a related but larger issue.

People need to protect themselves. All the rules and internet police in the world are not going to protect you. They can only act once something has been done. But since someone did something inappropriate the rest of us have to deal with the fallout.



.....And I am going to stop myself before I go off on a rant here.

 

[Max Payne]

Really now? When you thanked Q's post where she admits that yes what I am bringing up is the root cause for all of the drama? Common sense was brought up. But when someone boils it down to it's base level people get offended?

I was responding to someone complaining about "rules". And I made a simple point that deals with a related but larger issue.

People need to protect themselves. All the rules and internet police in the world are not going to protect you. They can only act once something has been done. But since someone did something inappropriate the rest of us have to deal with the fallout.



.....And I am going to stop myself before I go off on a rant here.

You still aren't getting it.

I thanked her post because she's right that a lot more is going on here and it's best if you stayed out of it.

In fact it's better if a lot of stepped back and let more of the people who were directly involved have their say.

 

[Ghost X]

In relation to what I raised: Oh, good .

 

[Ⓐaron]

I should point out that the member who started the name change thread did so because she had a stalker and even though he seems to have (somewhat) slowed down we have still not forced her to comply with the aka field rules. Granted, she's not active right now, but even if she were, we'd leave her alone.

 

[Tetsujin]

that's not even what this is about ffs