Lost season 6 (here be spoilers)

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I don't really see how so many people don't understand that everyone wound up dead AFTER folks left the island/stayed and got on with their lives. It's clear from what Christian said the "Ark to Heaven" that they all died at different points in their lives.

Though, I'm pretty disappointed that the flash sideways had fuck all to do with the climax of the confrontation on the island. I mean, I always thought that what Juliet meant by "it worked" was that the bomb detonating successfully diverted the course of history resulting in an alternate world being born, that would somehow play a part in the final confrontation on the island.

I thought the fight between Jack and Smokey was kinda lame given the device they used to make it possible, and the weak climax of Jack being saved by Kate of all people. Thank God he told that faggot off about pretending to be John Locke. Shit was making me sick.

Also, fuck picard. Terry O Quinn would make an awesome Xavier if X-Men First Class comes to be.
 
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I'm pretty shocked at the amount of people screaming that 'omg they've all been dead since the pilot!'. I thought the Sideways/Purgatory resolution was one of the most definitive and well explained answers that LOST has ever given, WHY ARE PEOPLE SO CONFUSED BY ACTUAL ANSWERS.
I don't really see how so many people don't understand that everyone wound up dead AFTER folks left the island/stayed and got on with their lives.
People are idiots. That's how they don't understand.

This show simply overestimates the intelligence of some people who watch it. Not that there's anything wrong with that, but it just reinforces the fact that the average TV viewer is an idiot.

I agree there are some things that should have been explained that weren't, but on the other hand I don't really see how they could have explained shit like Walt or the food drops in the time they had left. I guess they could be faulted for not explaining them more when there was an opportunity to do so in an unobtrusive manner, but meh. I don't really care enough about any of those things for it to leave a bad taste in my mouth anyway, especially since the episode was so emotionally satisfying as it was. My only real disappointment is that I wish we'd seen Mr Eko in the finale. He was one of my favourite characters.
 
Though, I'm pretty disappointed that the flash sideways had fuck all to do with the climax of the confrontation on the island. I mean, I always thought that what Juliet meant by "it worked" was that the bomb detonating successfully diverted the course of history resulting in an alternate world being born, that would somehow play a part in the final confrontation on the island.

I was disappointed by this, too. I mean, I understood that there was no way for the finale to address the questions raised earlier on in the show (and that it wasn't going to), and I was OK with that, but I was hoping the sideways storyline was going to connect in some way to the bomb/current events on the island. The way they used it to start off the season, when the bomb had ended the last one, made it seem like they were related, but oh well.

I guess I was just a bit taken aback by the we're-all-in-the-afterlife! thing for the flash sideways, since it was always denied that the group was in purgatory or such on the island (which people who are concluding they've been dead since the beginning seem to be forgetting?) - it's only vaguely similar to that idea, but I still didn't think they were going to pull something like that to explain the flash sideways. Still, it was satisfying to see everyone reunited in the sideways. I thought the way things were resolved on the island was really fitting, too.

My only real disappointment is that I wish we'd seen Mr Eko in the finale. He was one of my favourite characters.

I was wondering about this, too. Did he even get any cameos at all, like on the plane at the start of the season?
 

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I was wondering about this, too. Did he even get any cameos at all, like on the plane at the start of the season?
From what I hear, he was offered the chance to be in the final season and he turned it down. Fair play I guess.
 

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Yeah wtf with Mr. Eko.

Tbh I don't really give a shit about Walt, or the food drops. There's a lot more important shit that didn't get explained that resulted in things seeming like characters were only doing this or that because the plot needed them to, as opposed to there being an actual story driven reason for it.

Also, I'd totally watch a spinoff about Ben and Hurley's adventures on the island.
 

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I never really cared much about Walt either. He had no real connections to the main cast with the exception of Michael (who is now trapt on the Island and unable to move on, explaining his abscence from the ending) and Locke. He didn't go see out the same journey as the rest of the characters and is a bit too far removed to justify his prescence in the church at the end.

After rewatching the finale I think that the shot of the now mouldy shoe hanging from the tree as Jack staggers to the place where he first landed on the Island is the one that I found the most endearing. I thought it was genius. But there was very little I didn't like from the finale.

I'd long since 'let go' myself of ever expecting comprehensive answers about the Island mythology and the experience has been all the better for me because of it. Explaining what the Light is, and by extension what the Island is, would have robbed it of something really special.

I'd be totally onboard with Terry O'Quinn being Professor Xavier. But I'm inclined to think he's had enough of acting in a wheelchair for the time being :P
 

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Ⓐaron;232507 said:
To elaborate using Darlton's own analogy, people who wanted them to provide answers incorporating midichlorians are going to be disappointed. And fuck them. People who knew they were watching a character-driven drama that happened to incorporate fantastical elements are probably going to be perfectly satisfied.

That would be me. :monster:

Great -- nay, nigh-perfect -- ending. My only disappointment? Still no answer about that bird that said Hurley's name a few times way back when. Maybe it was predicting who would end up as the new Jacob at the end of the series. =P

Don't care about the DHARMA Initiative drop. Could have been a result of the temporal anomaly for all we know (and for all I care). And not too concerned about the outrigger gunfight either. Just some random schmucks shooting at them.

Besides, we know the relative timeframe for the outrigger shootout anyway (there was an Ajira water bottle in one of the boats, so it had to be after Ajira Flight 316 crashed), so decide who you think it was in the other boat. Maybe it was Ilana's people. Maybe it was the three members of Caesar's little posse (there were what looked to be three people shooting at Juliet, et. al.). Who knows. Who cares. Not a big fucking deal, and one easily explained by the viewer if they care to try.

I also don't see what people's beef is with the alternate reality being an "afterlife" of sorts for the Survivors -- it was all still real for fuck's sake. Jesus Christ.

Hell, Christian even told Jack at the end that everything Jack had ever experienced was real. That would include the alternate reality. Goddamn, people.

The place was certainly created from the bonds shared by the Survivors, but it was no less a real world.

Anyway, moving on to important stuff:

Important thing number one:
Frank lives! Richard lives! Hell yeah! Very pleased about both of those details. Loved the team of Miles, Richard and Lapidus as much or more than Miles, Richard and Ben.

Important thing number two:
Ben was still one of the good guys, as I suspected, and got to be a hero. And lived. Nice! I did expect him to still be anti-Smokey, but I assumed he would have to give his life in the end. Nice to see that he got to properly live out his redemption.

As well, the scene between he and Locke in the other reality was extremely touching. I liked that Ben didn't feel ready to join the others yet, and will presumably instead live out a normal life -- at least for a while.

Important thing number three:
Sawyer called the Man in Black "Smokey." YES.

Important thing number four:
Jack and Sawyer's farewell on the Island was moving. You could really see the respect and appreciation they had for one another expressed in that scene.

I also loved seeing them hug in the final scene of the episode.

Important thing number five:
It was great to see Boone again. Especially to see him and Jack reunited.

Important thing number six:
The reunions of Claire & Charlie and Sawyer & Juliet made my heart ache happily. I was so touched by those scenes, I cried.

Same for the scene of Sun and Jin getting their memories.

Important thing number seven:
Jack went out like a fucking boss. Kudos to you, Jack, and what a perfect ending to the show with the close-up on his eye closing.

See, Stephen King, that is how you properly bring an end to an epic while coming full circle. You don't literally start over at the beginning.

Important thing number eight:
Hurley's character arc closed well. It was great how he refused to leave Jack behind after his regret over leaving the Island the first time.

And it would seem his comment in "What They Died For" about being glad it wasn't him replacing Jacob was foreshadowing after all.

Important thing number nine:
The showdown with Smokey was awesome. I didn't see the resolution coming -- go Kate!
 
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The showdown with Smokey was awesome
Jack totally delivered the most epic FALCON PUNCH in the history of broadcast television.
 

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Apparently the actor who played Mr Eko wanted way too much money to reappear in the finale, which is why he didn't appear. Sucks.
 

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Jack totally delivered the most epic FALCON PUNCH in the history of broadcast television.

Too bad it's been done dozens of times in films and shit. I thought it was silly, cool in a way but silly.

I found the whole confrontation underwhelming tbh. Make no mistake, I enjoyed the hell out of the finale, every minute. I just didn't like a good bit of it, and after sitting down and thinking about it, the whole of LOST seems really inconsistent now. I mean, it's all a very well told story about people, and I love it. But it's not just a coherent story in a lot of places. It's BETTER than 99% of the shit on tv with all of the flaws.

I have a few more thoughts I'd like to share when I can get them all down, but the flash sideways seems a lot like filler/love letter to the characters and fans of LOST now. But yeah, even with everything I didn't like, I still loved the end.

Is that weird?
 
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The greatest secret of the lost finale revealed!!!

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It was all Serious Cat's doing!!!!
 

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Regardless of that, I thought he made some excellent points :monster:
 

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Tbh I misspell Widmore half the time myself.
 

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Finally got around to watching the final episode, at last.

I am Jack's disappoint. They made the final episode a clusterfuck of flashbacks to remind people why they liked the series back in the first season(s), turned into a massive feel-good flick. Oh, and they unplugged something so the lights went red and replugged it so all was well and good again.

I liked the series in the beginning. I liked the Richard / Jacob / Darkie origins things too, because they went way back to the roots of the series - describe a character, why they are like they are, their roots, etc. They stopped that somewhere after the third season, iirc.

In fact, I don't feel any connection to the characters at all anymore. In this last season, they had no personality of their own anymore nor development, and were only pawns in the thing.

Am I really the only one that thinks the characters were just following the guy that said 'Yo follow me' all the time, switching around every two or three episodes? Don't they have a mind of their own?

Rose and her dentist really are the only sensible people on that island. The rest is just 'Err, okay, I'll follow you and do what I say!'

I mean, wtf was that with Desmond in the final episode? He gets chucked down the cave, and Jack / Locke go 'Yeah just do whatever, we dunno what'll happen but I'm sure it'll do something'. What the fuck, imho, completely random in my book.

Someone noted earlier that the writers themselves didn't know what was going on anymore - this is true.

Anyways, going to quote a few people and respond for the heck of it.

Chameleon said:
And that's where we come to why I believe the handling of this episode was deliberately constructed to elicit the disappointment it has in so many fans. As blogger Maureen Ryan noted in her review, the show's creators have often commented that "providing answers can be inherently less interesting than exploring questions."

imho, they'd be better off ending the series with a giant massive 'WTF?', only then not the WTF like they did now, but more like they did at the beginning of the series - a monster in the forest, polar bears, a hatch which, when finally opened after a full season or more, only produced more WTFs. I mean, biggest WTF I can remember is when the room under the hatch went into lock(e)down and there was a map of WTF drawn on that wall. Things like that made the series interesting - not the new-age feel-good bollocks they ended the series with.

The fact they had multiple endings just in case someone talked just proves the point that the writers hadn't have a clue either.

The Man said:
Honestly, anyone who complains about that ending was watching the wrong show.

Fuck you, :monster:.

Dacon said:
Also, fuck picard. Terry O Quinn would make an awesome Xavier if X-Men First Class comes to be.

Fuck yeah orange teeth Xavier, :monster:. Actually, he'd do the job, but I dunno if he'd be all that awesome.

His smug smile's starting to piss me off too. imho, they destroyed his character when they killed him off but had to bring him back as the antagonist.

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My only real disappointment is that I wish we'd seen Mr Eko in the finale. He was one of my favourite characters.

+1. They should've kept him in the series, imho, at least for somewhat longer. And write off Jack in the pilot like they initially intended him, instead of making him the main guy. His character's main line, in summary, 'I don't understand!1'. Bleh.

I'm glad they didn't include those two fails they killed off by live burial though.

Also, did I just not see Hurley's woman in the side flash thing / churgh or did they not include her?

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Anyways. Overall, good series, probably the best I've ever seen and followed so diligently, but they really should've written out a proper story earlier on instead of shifting back and forth so often. Like I said, little of the reasons why I and other people liked the series remained in the last two or three seasons - character origins and development, mysteries being resolved only with bigger questions, etc. It went downhill when they suddenly had to invent new storylines halfway through, chuck in some characters, that kinda thing.

To the actors: Enjoy your new modeling and acting careers.

To Jack's actor: I don't want to see you ever again.
 

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Lol, I liked the finale but I agree with Cthulhu's criticisms. Especially...

Am I really the only one that thinks the characters were just following the guy that said 'Yo follow me' all the time, switching around every two or three episodes? Don't they have a mind of their own?

Rose and her dentist really are the only sensible people on that island. The rest is just 'Err, okay, I'll follow you and do what I say!'

and THAT'S the reason I could not come to like John Locke's character AT ALL after the beginning portions of season 1. Other than him and Michael, I pretty much liked all the characters :monster:

Perhaps that's just me not agreeing with the underlying theme of the show. I find the idea of the characters (literally) succumbing to fate pretty damn depressing, and not uplifting in the slightest (as the show seemed to portray it).

That said, I still teared up like a little bitch at the ending. Despite my grievances, I became pretty damn attached to the characters and was glad to see them happy at the end.
 

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His smug smile's starting to piss me off too. imho, they destroyed his character when they killed him off but had to bring him back as the antagonist.

He wasn't even playing the same character anymore.

Also, the epilogue looks like it's gonna be awesome if reports are accurate.
 
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