Lucrecia's Portrayal In Dirge Of Cerberus

[Shizuka]

I agree that vans see things through Vincent's eyes. Clearly Vincent blames himself (which we know he shouldn't) he obviously is going to blame Hojo for everything.

But a lot of fans seem to think Hojo is at fault and Lucreica is faultless which I don't understand


Yeah it's rather ironic that Hojo pointed out Lucrecia's faults

 

[jazzflower92]

I agree that vans see things through Vincent's eyes. Clearly Vincent blames himself (which we know he shouldn't) he obviously is going to blame Hojo for everything.

But a lot of fans seem to think Hojo is at fault and Lucreica is faultless which I don't understand


Yeah it's rather ironic that Hojo pointed out Lucrecia's faults

I think its because Hojo is the greater evil and has a track record of doing horrible stuff to numerous people. They side with Lucrecia as well is because they felt at least she was sorry for her part in the project. They also feel sympathy for her because of the fact that Hojo only used her to conceive a child then threw her away when she was no longer needed. Plus they fact that Hojo prevented her from ever seeing or holding Sephiroth strikes a sad chord with people.

On the other hand Lucrecia always had a choice to make and she picked horrible decisions that had major consequences. All the problems she faced were self afflicted because she was willing to do anything to get higher up on the status ladder.

 

[Shizuka]

I think its because Hojo is the greater evil and has a track record of doing horrible stuff to numerous people. They side with Lucrecia as well is because they felt at least she was sorry for her part in the project. They also feel sympathy for her because of the fact that Hojo only used her to conceive a child then threw her away when she was no longer needed. Plus they fact that Hojo prevented her from ever seeing or holding Sephiroth strikes a sad chord with people.

On the other hand Lucrecia always had a choice to make and she picked horrible decisions that had major consequences. All the problems she faced were self afflicted because she was willing to do anything to get higher up on the status ladder.

I agree Hojo did far worse than Lucrecia however he really isn't all there that's why I can't help feeling Lucrecia is more responsible. She and Hojo both used each other she was far from the innocent victim in all of it.

Maybe she was never allowed to hold him as the company believed that Lucrecia had no parental rights because what she did to him and maybe that's another reason Hojo was not allowed to raise Sephiroth or he chose not too.

 

[ForceStealer]

She never appears to express remorse for anything except that she couldn't be a mother to Sephiroth. The actual act and experiment she doesn't really mention.

 

[jazzflower92]

I agree Hojo did far worse than Lucrecia however he really isn't all there that's why I can't help feeling Lucrecia is more responsible. She and Hojo both used each other she was far from the innocent victim in all of it.

Maybe she was never allowed to hold him as the company believed that Lucrecia had no parental rights because what she did to him and maybe that's another reason Hojo was not allowed to raise Sephiroth or he chose not too.

Knowing Shinra I have this sinking feeling they gave Hojo scientific control over Sephiroth and no parental control which in my opinion he would have approved of. Hojo defiantly would have wanted to bring up his own child as an experiment to carefully watch over.

Lucrecia from the looks of things would have wanted her relationship with her child to be personal and not be treated like some big science project. However, I wonder if she really regretted choosing to experiment on her own child. I think its a fandom assumption because of the fact that she was deeply distressed not being able to be in Sephiroth's life and leads people to conclude she that she come to see doing that to her own child was wrong. If she didn't at all then she should be treated more like a grayer character.

 

[Unlucky]

My interpertation from the OG I thought Vincent was in love with her but that was one sided. I do believe she liked him as a friend that it. I always thought she picked Hojo over Vincent because forget looks between Hojo and Vincent. She has far more in common with Hojo than Vincent. And she clearly would look up to Hojo as he was in high end job that related to her interest.

Yes, this. It doesn't bother me as much whether the romantic interest is reciprocated or not. But I think it would be good story-wise to show that he really was out of her league.

Which reminds me-- wasn't it said that he proposed to her? Was it even mentioned in DoC? Funny if it isn't because that would really add to the angst

 

[jazzflower92]

Yes, this. It doesn't bother me as much whether the romantic interest is reciprocated or not. But I think it would be good story-wise to show that he really was out of her league.

Which reminds me-- wasn't it said that he proposed to her? Was it even mentioned in DoC? Funny if it isn't because that would really add to the angst

Yeah, why didn't they depict Vincent proposing to her that would have been something better to see than the whole killing his father thing. It would have been great seeing Vincent finally getting up the courage to ask Lucrecia's hand because he feels that they were meant to be but out of his surprise she rejects his marriage proposal. I think the events leading up to the rejection is showing that Lucrecia although is fond of Vincent has been shown having sympathy for Hojo because of his perceived inferiority complex and because she really wants to get ahead in the science field.

Maybe adding to this show some interaction with Gast since she was supposed to be his assistant. I find it odd we never see anything about how both scientists viewed each other or interacted with one another. I have a feeling she would have been a big fan of his research concerning the Ancients and probably jump on board the project because it had some connection with her thesis.

 

[The Twilight Mexican]

The more this conversation goes on, the more I think part of what makes Lucrecia so grating is that all the remorse we see from her in Dirge is related to Vincent -- and it's all purely an invention of the Compilation. The original game never gives us an indication of her having remorse where anyone but Sephiroth is concerned.

I feel that if we were told ahead of time that she would be saying "I'm sorry" a lot in Dirge, we would assume it was directed at Sephiroth, to build directly off what was in the OG. Instead, she barely mentions him at all over the course of the whole game.

 

[jazzflower92]

The more this conversation goes on, the more I think part of what makes Lucrecia so grating is that all the remorse we see from her in Dirge is related to Vincent -- and it's all purely an invention of the Compilation. The original game never gives us an indication of her having remorse where anyone but Sephiroth is concerned.

I feel that if we were told ahead of time that she would be saying "I'm sorry" a lot in Dirge, we would assume it was directed at Sephiroth, to build directly off what was in the OG. Instead, she barely mentions him at all over the course of the whole game.

I not the only one who noticed that fact as well. In the original game Sephiroth was her world and the fact that they redirect that remorse to Vincent really seems like character derailment. I think the reason why is the fact that Dirge Of Cerbrus was Vincent's game and wanted Lucrecia to focus more on him.

This switch between Lucrecia's focus turns her from a crying mother to a woman pining after lover she let get away. The only time we see her concerned about Sephiroth at all is when her son is taken away from her after that she still is moaning for Vincent. It seems like Lucrecia has completely forgotten her son in this game of course people will say its because she believes her son is dead. However, if one thinks about it wouldn't that make her obsess even more because of the fact that now she will never get the chance to even see her child again.

 

[Obsidian Fire]

The difficulty with Dirge is that Lucreica is what Vincent's character revolves around; all of his questions start with her and the relationship they had with Hojo. So with Vincent as the main character, Lucrecia is going to come up no matter what happens. If she didn't, it would have been even more awkward then it already is.

 

[jazzflower92]

The difficulty with Dirge is that Lucreica is what Vincent's character revolves around; all of his questions start with her and the relationship they had with Hojo. So with Vincent as the main character, Lucrecia is going to come up no matter what happens. If she didn't, it would have been even more awkward then it already is.

Yeah, but the thing that irritates people is the fact that DOC derails her into having the emotional capability of a high school girl. I think DOC tried to focus her character too much on Vincent while ignoring also she is also Sephiroth's mother. Or the fact they ignore stuff that was written in the original game's Ultimanias that would have expanded her character better than what was presented in this game.

 

[Unlucky]

Because he's *gone* and does not matter anymore. And she's too busy uttering heartfelt I'm sorries~

That's the ludicrous thing about DoC-- the story lazily elaborated on the past while at the same time the characters were too busy wallowing in the past.

 

[jazzflower92]

Because he's *gone* and does not matter anymore. And she's too busy uttering heartfelt I'm sorries~

That's the ludicrous thing about DoC-- the story lazily elaborated on the past while at the same time the characters were too busy wallowing in the past.

I think it would still be in character to morn for the loss of her child even if he was gone.