MarzGurl Reviews Final Fantasy XIII
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okay i'm watching part two. i have no idea what her problem was with them basically giving the paradigms nicknames. plus by the time you were switching them up you knew which roles you put in that deck and okay i think someone already mentioned that i just think that's kind of a dumb complaint
it was also weird that she complained about musical immersion but then dislikes the change from generic pop song during the snow/serah proposal to the....one song she said she enjoyed the most?? i actually felt like the change was more appropriate -- it made the scene feel more intimate. (i'm sorry this jpop song shit really needs to end. i'm not kidding it's not funny anymore it's fucking horrible stop)
like i said, i agree with the core of her complaints. this is a really jarring entry in the series because it's not following the traditions the series previously set, and it was a big mistake for SE not to just take the risk and chuck the "final fantasy" out of the title. maybe it would have done the first game some good if they didn't feel restricted by things they thought fans wanted out of an ff game. would they have felt less compelled to make pretty cutscenes? would they have felt like they could have included more action/adventure mechanics from the start? idk idk
it was also weird that she complained about musical immersion but then dislikes the change from generic pop song during the snow/serah proposal to the....one song she said she enjoyed the most?? i actually felt like the change was more appropriate -- it made the scene feel more intimate. (i'm sorry this jpop song shit really needs to end. i'm not kidding it's not funny anymore it's fucking horrible stop)
like i said, i agree with the core of her complaints. this is a really jarring entry in the series because it's not following the traditions the series previously set, and it was a big mistake for SE not to just take the risk and chuck the "final fantasy" out of the title. maybe it would have done the first game some good if they didn't feel restricted by things they thought fans wanted out of an ff game. would they have felt less compelled to make pretty cutscenes? would they have felt like they could have included more action/adventure mechanics from the start? idk idk
Novus
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Okay done.
Actually the scene had new subtext for me, it was almost as if she was thanking an Aeon like the rest of the Fayth, basically this Aeon led her too her true path and that was the plan of Tidus.
Although I'm just nihilistic, in my personal canon the game ends after: "...never forget them".
Although I'm just nihilistic, in my personal canon the game ends after: "...never forget them".
Fangu
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I guess that's part of what I find confusing about it - saying you love someone is not something you do because you think they deserve it. You say it because you feel it in your bones. I guess that's what made that Buffy comment tricky for me. Buffy doesn't love Spike, but the only thing he wanted was to make things right, and 'I love you' would be the ultimate proof, at least if you need something very short and not a long speech about how he now can be trusted 
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I just saw the two different versions too.
Let me say that the 'I love you' makes more sense to me now, but imo it's not my preferred version. Tres you said this was her last opportunity to 'say anything' - in my opinion she says it and then some, only she doesn't use words. (See what I did there? (Although I think someone already pulled that joke in this thread))
When he starts walking away saying goodbye, she steps out from being 'mission-Yuna', the one who puts the mission first and herself last. She doesn't want to see him go, can't accept he's leaving; she wants him there so desperately she runs towards him to hold him back, but she can't; it's too late. That's her grand move, and imo it's more powerful than three words. (This is coming from someone who found the hand-holding scene more squeeish than the kissing scene.) The scene that comes after is also very metaphoric. She literally has to pick herself up from the ground, and stand up to face whatever comes in her way. But maybe it was easier getting up this time, because she knows Tidus would be there to support her if he could. She is stronger because of him.
Now here's a thing I noticed - they let Tidus have a few sniffles as the green thingys are surrounding him, but in the JP version it is obvious that after Yuna has gotten up, he is crying. It's emotional for him too, it's not just about Yuna being sad. Then, when Yuna says 'thank you' - OMG by the way, the way she says it, so fragile, it's enough to make me cry already - she's thanking him for being the support she needed - yes, for being an Aeon, in a way - but it's also a way of saying she's a better person because of him, he has helped her realized many things over their journey, and his impressions will not be forgotten, she will be the better person for it. The 'runt blitzball player', has achieved greatness in his life. He's made an impact on her life and imo expressing gratitude for someone who has been there for you is bigger then expressing love, when they won't have a chance to be together and love each other. She's also sorta allowing him to go and have peace and be with his father again - 'I'll be fine because of you'.
(AAAAWWWWW)
That last 'hug' is the final goodbye, a goodbye from things that could have been but never will be. (stfu X-2 I'm not counting you)
Let me say that the 'I love you' makes more sense to me now, but imo it's not my preferred version. Tres you said this was her last opportunity to 'say anything' - in my opinion she says it and then some, only she doesn't use words. (See what I did there? (Although I think someone already pulled that joke in this thread
))When he starts walking away saying goodbye, she steps out from being 'mission-Yuna', the one who puts the mission first and herself last. She doesn't want to see him go, can't accept he's leaving; she wants him there so desperately she runs towards him to hold him back, but she can't; it's too late. That's her grand move, and imo it's more powerful than three words. (This is coming from someone who found the hand-holding scene more squeeish than the kissing scene.) The scene that comes after is also very metaphoric. She literally has to pick herself up from the ground, and stand up to face whatever comes in her way. But maybe it was easier getting up this time, because she knows Tidus would be there to support her if he could. She is stronger because of him.
Now here's a thing I noticed - they let Tidus have a few sniffles as the green thingys are surrounding him, but in the JP version it is obvious that after Yuna has gotten up, he is crying. It's emotional for him too, it's not just about Yuna being sad. Then, when Yuna says 'thank you' - OMG by the way, the way she says it, so fragile, it's enough to make me cry already - she's thanking him for being the support she needed - yes, for being an Aeon, in a way - but it's also a way of saying she's a better person because of him, he has helped her realized many things over their journey, and his impressions will not be forgotten, she will be the better person for it. The 'runt blitzball player', has achieved greatness in his life. He's made an impact on her life and imo expressing gratitude for someone who has been there for you is bigger then expressing love, when they won't have a chance to be together and love each other. She's also sorta allowing him to go and have peace and be with his father again - 'I'll be fine because of you'.
(AAAAWWWWW)
That last 'hug' is the final goodbye, a goodbye from things that could have been but never will be. (stfu X-2 I'm not counting you)
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I really enjoyed that analysis, Fangu. The original line definitely gives us more to chew on, though perhaps the localized line could be said to feel more satisfying?
: Maybe it's a cultural difference, but it's definitely not an alien idea here to think someone deserves to be told "I love you," even if the speaker doesn't mean it. This is why you hear people who are unhappy in their relationship saying they continue lying to the other person about being in love with them, that they wish they loved the other person the same way, "it's not you, it's me," etc.
Spike really wanted Buffy to feel the same way about him, and though she loved him deeply, she wasn't in love with him; but she felt he deserved to think so/that it would give him peace as he died. Of course, he knew her well enough to know why she said it, and was gentleman enough to thank her for the gesture.
Spike really wanted Buffy to feel the same way about him, and though she loved him deeply, she wasn't in love with him; but she felt he deserved to think so/that it would give him peace as he died. Of course, he knew her well enough to know why she said it, and was gentleman enough to thank her for the gesture.
AvecAloes
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Ok. So I finally got around to watching all of these reviews for XIII (Spoony's included). I am sure that some of what I will say in this post has already been said, and I'm not trying to beat a dead horse or anything, I'd just like to get my own thoughts out I'll post my Spoony thoughts in the appropriate thread, although I will say that watching MarzGurl's was significantly less painful.
One of the things I did appreciate about MarzGurl's review was that she at least made mention of X's similarities as far as walking down a corridor goes. I do, of course, recognize that X does let you explore more so than XIII, but it's still a linear game. Yes, when you get the airship in X, you can visit new places and divert from the plot, but you can do the same thing iirc in XIII when you're in in Orphan's Cradle, even if the only place you can go is limited to Gran Pulse. There are still plenty of side quests you can do there (though I know those who weren't a fan of XIII's fighting system would just say "who cares" and move on, but I enjoyed it, so...). Linear, yes. But I didn't find it a painful experience.
Something I did find rather nitpicky was her bashing of the treasure spheres, and actually, she used almost the exactly same language that Spoony did in his review. I don't know why they were both so caught up on how out of place they thought they were. Also, despite the fact that the game is incredibly linear and tunnel like, I'm pretty sure I missed some of the spheres, due to them being behind walls or across maps that I didn't fully investigate. I did appreciate that they made a sort of humming sound, which, if I was able to hear while playing, at least alerted me to their existence...
I didn't find the names of the roles and the paradigms associated with the roles to be all that confusing, especially considering the fact that when you enter the menu to change them around, you are shown what each paradigm consists of, and what the roles actually do. And so what if the localization team wanted things to sound "sci-fi" and "cool" instead of fantasy? This game clearly has elements of sci-fi. It's futuristic. I think that the names fit nicely with the setting. Also, the Japanese use English words in an effort to sound "cool" in stuff like this. So, I don't think it's really fair to say that the English team only changed things to sound cool when the Japanese use English terms to accomplish the same thing.
As far as the music goes, I was also disappointed that there were no hints of classic FF themes to speak of. Give me even just a victory theme somewhere, anywhere, and I'd be giddy. I am, however, incredibly glad that they changed the music that played during Snow and Serah's kiss scene. I would have been incredibly put off by the J-pop, but that's me, and my inherent distaste for it. In Japan, of course, I don't think they feel the same way that I do, so it makes more sense for it to play in their version. I'll just be glad when J-pop gets up and GTFO of my FF games
/late thoughts
I'll post my Spoony thoughts in the appropriate thread, although I will say that watching MarzGurl's was significantly less painful.One of the things I did appreciate about MarzGurl's review was that she at least made mention of X's similarities as far as walking down a corridor goes. I do, of course, recognize that X does let you explore more so than XIII, but it's still a linear game. Yes, when you get the airship in X, you can visit new places and divert from the plot, but you can do the same thing iirc in XIII when you're in in Orphan's Cradle, even if the only place you can go is limited to Gran Pulse. There are still plenty of side quests you can do there (though I know those who weren't a fan of XIII's fighting system would just say "who cares" and move on, but I enjoyed it, so...). Linear, yes. But I didn't find it a painful experience.
Something I did find rather nitpicky was her bashing of the treasure spheres, and actually, she used almost the exactly same language that Spoony did in his review. I don't know why they were both so caught up on how out of place they thought they were. Also, despite the fact that the game is incredibly linear and tunnel like, I'm pretty sure I missed some of the spheres, due to them being behind walls or across maps that I didn't fully investigate. I did appreciate that they made a sort of humming sound, which, if I was able to hear while playing, at least alerted me to their existence...
I didn't find the names of the roles and the paradigms associated with the roles to be all that confusing, especially considering the fact that when you enter the menu to change them around, you are shown what each paradigm consists of, and what the roles actually do. And so what if the localization team wanted things to sound "sci-fi" and "cool" instead of fantasy? This game clearly has elements of sci-fi. It's futuristic. I think that the names fit nicely with the setting. Also, the Japanese use English words in an effort to sound "cool" in stuff like this. So, I don't think it's really fair to say that the English team only changed things to sound cool when the Japanese use English terms to accomplish the same thing.
As far as the music goes, I was also disappointed that there were no hints of classic FF themes to speak of. Give me even just a victory theme somewhere, anywhere, and I'd be giddy. I am, however, incredibly glad that they changed the music that played during Snow and Serah's kiss scene. I would have been incredibly put off by the J-pop, but that's me, and my inherent distaste for it. In Japan, of course, I don't think they feel the same way that I do, so it makes more sense for it to play in their version. I'll just be glad when J-pop gets up and GTFO of my FF games
/late thoughts
Novus
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I realise this has turned into an X discussion, and this next post gets off the review of XIII but I also have this niggling sense of anger at the final (after credit) scene of X.
Fangu, when you mention not counting X-2 you do know about the after credit sequence don’t you? This is what annoys me about X and aspects of the FF series as a whole is that they have the continual gimmick of adding elements of the other games even when they don’t fit into the story.
I’m talking about the character dying in the ending only to be brought back scenes after. Pretty much all of the examples listed of the wiki below have a character thanking them before their ‘sacrifice’.
This is very much an afterthought, but perhaps the translation team isn’t in on the ‘joke’ and really believes it to be a final ending and wanted to dwell more in the operatic funeral than it being just progression of the plot.
Spoilers for all FF games follow:
Fangu, when you mention not counting X-2 you do know about the after credit sequence don’t you? This is what annoys me about X and aspects of the FF series as a whole is that they have the continual gimmick of adding elements of the other games even when they don’t fit into the story.
I’m talking about the character dying in the ending only to be brought back scenes after. Pretty much all of the examples listed of the wiki below have a character thanking them before their ‘sacrifice’.
This is very much an afterthought, but perhaps the translation team isn’t in on the ‘joke’ and really believes it to be a final ending and wanted to dwell more in the operatic funeral than it being just progression of the plot.
Spoilers for all FF games follow:
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