New site staff and Mod, TresDias/Squall_of_SeeD

[Marauder]

Secretly, I cry myself to sleep at night because I'm not a moderator of such a great forum. /wrists

 

[Ⓐaron]

Y'know, sometimes, I think the Koolaid club around here doesn't really get just how laid back the staff actually is.

Please, elucidate for me where people have been complaining that the staff isn't laid back enough. If anything, I've seen people complaining that they're too laid back - a charge I don't agree with, incidentally, but it bears pointing out.

Yes, he's new to TLS, but he's hardly new to this community, and many folks here are familiar with him from as far back as 2005.

Haven't you been emphasising from the start of this forum's beginning how this isn't ACF? Please, elucidate what caused this shift in thinking.

In all that time, he has always been well reasoned, slow to anger, equal in judgement, and generally trustworthy.

So you're basing your decision on behaviour from years ago, then? Since clearly he hasn't been a member of TLS long enough for you to get any accurate idea of how he fits into this community.

And let me just state this- The quickest way to ensure you never get a moderator hood, on this or any other forum, is to act too eager to get it.

It's kind of hard for for TLS staff to defend that position when the whole reason half the people on your staff are there is because they asked to be. But really, the only people on TLS who've acted eager for a staff position are Vendel (ahahahaha) and Quexinos.

 

[Ryushikaze]

Secretly, I cry myself to sleep at night because I'm not a moderator of such a great forum. /wrists

I'm sure a lot of people have that problem, emo duck.

 

[Alessa Gillespie]

I'm sure a lot of people have that problem, emo duck.

...do ducks even have wrists to slit?

 

[Ⓐaron]

It was my distinct impression that wrists required hands. Which ducks obviously don't have.

 

[Marauder]

I'm afraid they don't. But they have wings, and apparently that's good enough!

 

[Ryushikaze]

Please, elucidate for me where people have been complaining that the staff isn't laid back enough. If anything, I've seen people complaining that they're too laid back, which is a charge I don't agree with.

Let me rephrase this: "At most of the other forums I go too, such blatant flaming of the staff would result simply in a ban, count your blessings, children."

Haven't you been emphasising from the start of this forum's beginning how this isn't ACF? Please, elucidate what caused this shift in thinking.

I never said ACF. 'This community' hardly comprises that site, and that's not where several of us know him from. I myself know him from other forums where he was a refreshing breath of fresh air of sanity and reason.

It's kind of hard for for TLS staff to defend that position when the whole reason half the people on your staff are there is because they asked to be. But really, the only person on TLS who's acted eager for a staff position is Quexinos.

Who, specifically, asked for a staff position? And Vendel and Alex have expressed their desire on multiple occasions, serious or not.

Addendum: No one's familiar with Emo duck? Kind of surprising.

 

[Marauder]

blessings? LOL
You guys are so silly.

refreshing breath of fresh air

I'll leave you with this gem. BECAUSE YOU SIR ARE A REFRESHING BREATH OF FRESH AIR.

 

[Ⓐaron]

Let me rephrase this: "At most of the other forums I go too, such blatant flaming of the staff would result simply in a ban, count your blessings, children."

Please, point out this "blatant flaming." I see honest criticism.

I never said ACF. 'This community' hardly comprises that site, and that's not where several of us know him from. I myself know him from other forums where he was a refreshing breath of fresh air of sanity and reason.

Other forums that this forum isn't even a spinoff of count as "this community"? You have a really liberal view of what constitutes "this community," which seems to differ vastly from what most of the actual posters here seem to view it as.

Who, specifically, asked for a staff position? And Vendel and Alex have expressed their desire on multiple occasions, serious or not.

M.O.G., ForceStealer, I'm sure there are plenty of others but it's been too long for me to remember now. The staff asked who wanted to moderate and appointed whoever responded affirmatively. Basically most of the people who have been on staff from the beginning asked to be appointed. I'd say all but there may have been one or two whom Yop appointed without asking them.

 

[Alex]

Who, specifically, asked for a staff position? And Vendel and Alex have expressed their desire on multiple occasions, serious or not.

Oh dear

 

[Marauder]

Oh dear is right Alex, quit begging for modship!

 

[Alessa Gillespie]

Addendum: No one's familiar with Emo duck? Kind of surprising.

I ended up googling it and apparently it has something to do with Naruto. And no sir, I am not faggoty enough to watch Naruto.

 

[Ⓐaron]

Also I'd like to point out that at most other forums it wouldn't have taken twelve pages for someone even to pretend to respond to the query of why a person was appointed as a mod, so if you wonder why alleged "blatant flaming" might be occurring here, that's a good place to start.

As fun as this discussion is, though, I'm headed out for a walk. I may come back to point and laugh later.

 

[Marauder]

P&L'ing for the whole class, imo.

I've never heard of the emo duck..because I, like Luna up thar, do not watch Naruto (as it is a shit stain on society). I have heard of the Emo Emu, however.

 

[Dashell]

whoa whoa

Let's get a few things straight here peeps. I do NOT want a mod position here. If I was asked, I'd turn it down. The staff here doesn't moderator the way I'm used to. I would probably just end up being frustrated and, most importantly, I do NOT like the double standards that apply.

Let me point something else out, there's been countless times I've agreed with the... well the Koolaid club or whatever they are. In fact I think this is the first time I've actually argued with them. I agree with them on a lot of things. The staff here does need some work but I honestly think it was a step in the right direction to appoint Tres. Tres is also a good friend of mine and I didn't want to see him receive such ridiculous criticism when he's not even given a chance.

I just don't see the point in constantly complaining in public. It's not done anything thus far except cause drama (if you wanna call it that) So maybe you should try something else... I dunno, maybe lead by example. That's a good way to do things.

So yeah, Tres he's cool I like him, he'll make a good mod. I am not brown nosing to become a staff member, I'm standing up for a friend because... well I guess I do that a lot. (seriously. How many times have I stood up for Anastar over here?)

 

[Ryushikaze]

Please, point out this "blatant flaming." I see honest criticism.

I see some honest criticism, and then I see stuff that I know would be begging for punishment elsewhere.

Other forums that this forum isn't even a spinoff of count as "this community"? You have a really liberal view of what constitutes "this community," which seems to differ vastly from what most of the actual posters here seem to view it as.

This community, as in the FF fandom community, and specifically several sites, among which , yes, includes ACF, but a number of others too. A community is a coalition of people, not a geographic or 'e-ographic location.

M.O.G., ForceStealer, I'm sure there are plenty of others but it's been too long for me to remember now. The staff asked who wanted to moderate and appointed whoever responded affirmatively. Basically most of the people who have been on staff from the beginning asked to be appointed. I'd say all but there may have been one or two whom Yop appointed without asking them.

That's a different circumstance. If the admin asks for volunteers is one thing, but otherwise going 'Can I be a mod' means you won't be.

I ended up googling it and apparently it has something to do with Naruto. And no sir, I am not faggoty enough to watch Naruto.

It predates Naruto, but yes, it got used to mock its characters too.

Also I'd like to point out that at most other forums it wouldn't have taken twelve pages for someone even to pretend to respond to the query of why a person was appointed as a mod, so if you wonder why alleged "blatant flaming" might be occurring here, that's a good place to start.

Four pages.
http://thelifestream.net/forums/showpost.php?p=182387&postcount=48

As fun as this discussion is, though, I'm headed out for a walk. I may come back to point and laugh later.

Please bring more constructive discussion, if you please.

P&L'ing for the whole class, imo.

I've never heard of the emo duck..because I, like Luna up thar, do not watch Naruto (as it is a shit stain on society). I have heard of the Emo Emu, however.

Again, it predates Naruto.

And Alex, if Quex counts as asking for a modhood, you do too.

 

[Alex]

And Alex, if Quex counts as asking for a modhood, you do too

Thats ridiculous but okay. We're living up to expectations here.

 

[Ⓐaron]

I see some honest criticism, and then I see stuff that I know would be begging for punishment elsewhere.

I asked for examples. You provided none. And "stuff that I know would be begging for punishment elsewhere" is extremely vague because there are some boards that don't tolerate dissent at all. In your original post you specifically said "blatant flaming." You have shifted the goalposts.

This community, as in the FF fandom community, and specifically several sites, among which , yes, includes ACF, but a number of others too. A community is a coalition of people, not a geographic or 'e-ographic location.

Sorry but no, not all FF sites are the same, and considering all Final Fantasy sites as "this community" is utterly absurd. Most people here aren't going to know anything about other Final Fantasy sites and expecting them to base their impressions of a new staff member on their conduct at other sites is ridiculous.

That's a different circumstance. If the admin asks for volunteers is one thing, but otherwise going 'Can I be a mod' means you won't be.

The whole point is that when a staff is mostly made up of people who are only staff because they asked to be, they don't really have much room to put other people down for acting like they want to be staff. And I haven't seen anyone going "Can I be a mod." Except for Vendel, which I'm sure you took as seriously as I did.

Four pages.
http://thelifestream.net/forums/showpost.php?p=182387&postcount=48

Sorry but no, that doesn't explain at all why he's suited to be a mod. It explains why he's suited to be site staff. None of the characteristics Mako listed there have anything to do with one's ability to moderate a message board.

Please bring more constructive discussion, if you please.

I'm sorry but are you attempting to imply that the criticism thus far hasn't been constructive? For someone who has just criticised others' actions as being "blatant flaming," then refused to point out any examples, that's rather insulting.

 

[Celes Chere]

No it's because he's level headed, a good thinker, is unbias, loves final fantasy and has helped out with the site and people tend to like him. Those who KNOW him anyway.

And I'm "over reacting" Because I'm sick of the same people trying to start shit every time one of the staff here sneezes. Some of these people haven't even posted here in weeks except for now. I mean come on, really?

There are... a lot of members like that to be fair. And I don't think you need to necessarily love Final Fantasy/Know Japanese to be Mod/Admin. No offense to Tres... but I think there are people more deserving of his spot... you know? I see him posting a few times in pretty much the same section. . . Again, I'm not trying to take a stab at him- I think he's great. But it's still random. I like the Staff here- a lot. c: I didn't have many complaints for the official complaint thread. I really do just agree with the majority here that this seems out of the blue. Like Road (was that who?) said, 127 or whatever posts he has isn't really... enough.

Well I haven't seen you guys post so clearly you haven't.

LOL. Alex posts a good amount, and his posts are pretty much awesome when he does. But I REALLY don't see Tres post often enough in more than the FF topics to be considered an Admin/Mod. The posts he does make are good, yeah, but I need to see more of them to really be convinced. Like I said, some people have been here for like, ever and have deserved the spot more than he does, imho.

Honestly I really haven't because I hang out in the FF section most of the time

Then... biased much?

Not random at all considering we were looking for a new staffer to replace Schala. And considering Tres's contributions, not to mention previous experience on ACF, knowledge of Japanese, and being a damn good level headed member that's been helping us out here, it made perfect sense. He can fill her slot fine with his credentials. How is it not fair? Is there some mod entitlement check I forgot to look for or something? And again, he posts literally every day since he joined here. I don't see how you can say you don't see him post, unless you somehow don't look in the FF or Compilation sections.

Well, it just seemed random to me. Read above, I guess. xD It's nice to have you actually explain it, though. I think knowledge of Japanese is kind of a lame reason... but of course, that helps with the obvious- translations. I just think there are a lot of 'level-headed' members that are saying that they are willing to work hard, contribute, and have been posting for ages and then suddenly Tres is modded? It seemed just kind of out there to me. I do see him post, just not that much. I haven't been here recently though, so has he been posting tons on the past like two or three days? I look in pretty much all of the sections, even Graphics and Roleplay , though I don't participate them. (They're fun to vote in and to read) so... Well, I think it would be nice to have a Mod that didn't just hang around in one section.

Yes, I thought Tennyo would have made an awesome mod.

Yeah, Tenny for the win! Her posts are great, she's super sweet and intelligent, AND she posts in a lot of sections and frequently. She's been here for quite awhile too! That would have been an excellent choice, and not random at all.

 

[Alex]

For the record, I think it's worth pointing out/reiterating that I don't think anybody wants to personally attack or go after Tres. I'm sure he is a great guy and will make a good moderator. People's issues just seem to be with why and how this decision came about. Since I don't know him personally and he could very well be a nice guy, I just wanted to point this out.

 

[Ⓐaron]

Yeah I think I've only ever even seen Tres post in one thread other than this one so none of my posts here have anything to do with whether he'll be a capable staff member or not. I'm just utterly baffled at how staff came up with this selection, especially since there are plenty of other people who've been members of this board for vastly longer who have demonstrated the level head and ability to deal with members fairly that staffing a message board demands and post frequently outside the Final Fantasy sections. My issue is that staff picked someone most of the board doesn't even know who has less than 200 posts, while the highest poster by contrast has upwards of ten thousand. (Among veterans who are currently active I think Tennyo, Celes and Ninira all would've been worthy choices, and I'm sure I could come up with more if I bothered to think more than a few seconds)

 

[Makoeyes987]

There are... a lot of members like that to be fair. And I don't think you need to necessarily love Final Fantasy/Know Japanese to be Mod/Admin. No offense to Tres... but I think there are people more deserving of his spot... you know? I see him posting a few times in pretty much the same section. . . Again, I'm not trying to take a stab at him- I think he's great. But it's still random. I like the Staff here- a lot. c: I didn't have many complaints for the official complaint thread. I really do just agree with the majority here that this seems out of the blue. Like Road (was that who?) said, 127 or whatever posts he has isn't really... enough.

You speak as if that were the only prerequisite evaluated. Considering the fact we wanted to find someone who would be more than capable of filling the qualifications, skills, and posting ability of the mod before (i.e. Schala) Tres was the member who fit the bill, while also exhibiting those traits in the first place. That was our decision and reasoning for doing it. Again, how does finding another individual who had the same qualifications, skills, positive attitude, and experience random?

LOL. Alex posts a good amount, and his posts are pretty much awesome when he does. But I REALLY don't see Tres post often enough in more than the FF topics to be considered an Admin/Mod. The posts he does make are good, yeah, but I need to see more of them to really be convinced. Like I said, some people have been here for like, ever and have deserved the spot more than he does, imho.

Because its not just about post count when evaluating who can and can't be a mod. It's about quality, experience, and who the actual member is. I'd like to know where there was ever a post count requirement stated in regards to who got to be a mod here? And I didn't know we had people who deserved and were entitled to be a mod. I must've missed something.

Well, it just seemed random to me. Read above, I guess. xD It's nice to have you actually explain it, though. I think knowledge of Japanese is kind of a lame reason... but of course, that helps with the obvious- translations. I just think there are a lot of 'level-headed' members that are saying that they are willing to work hard, contribute, and have been posting for ages and then suddenly Tres is modded? It seemed just kind of out there to me. I do see him post, just not that much. I haven't been here recently though, so has he been posting tons on the past like two or three days? I look in pretty much all of the sections, even Graphics and Roleplay , though I don't participate them. (They're fun to vote in and to read) so... Well, I think it would be nice to have a Mod that didn't just hang around in one section.

Well thanks but that's your opinion. If we're looking for a member to fill the specific hole left behind by a previous staffer, and we find an experienced member who fills that space in every conceivable way possible and is qualified, then we're not going to let nepotism and popularity stop the person who's more qualified and the better choice stop us. That's the whole point of us exercising our judgment in the first place and evaluating how he works out.

Yeah, Tenny for the win! Her posts are great, she's super sweet and intelligent, AND she posts in a lot of sections and frequently. She's been here for quite awhile too! That would have been an excellent choice, and not random at all.

She is an awesome member, and I don't disagree with that at all. But she wasn't the choice for filling in the hole we were looking to fill. That's your opinion and this was ours and the choice we made.

 

[Dashell]

There are... a lot of members like that to be fair.

That's true, but you have to agree those qualities mean that person can be a good mod, right?

And I don't think you need to necessarily love Final Fantasy/Know Japanese to be Mod/Admin.

Well I wasn't saying the Japanese thing... they have Ryu for that anyway

Then... biased much?

Well I think if you were going to go with a mod who had those qualifications that they mentioned, and the choice was one who didn't know FF very much andone who DID know FF very well, I'd pick the one who knows FF and posts in the FF sections.

LOL. Alex posts a good amount, and his posts are pretty much awesome when he does. But I REALLY don't see Tres post often enough in more than the FF topics to be considered an Admin/Mod.

But since when is high post count a qualification of being a mod?... I'd rather have a good mod with a low post count. And again it'd make sense to me to go with someone who worked in the FF section more than someone who didn't. High post count does not mean quality posts.

Maybe there would have been a ton of better choices, but I certainly don't think Tres would be the worst choice. And I do have to wonder, if they picked Tenyo, would people still be complaining?

 

[Marauder]

I see a lot of repetition. And that's all.

 

[Dashell]

Heh I was making my post around the same time Mako was... I'll probably just let him handle it anyway.