New UT Features

[DrakeClawfang]

Nothing as drastic as say, Lightning, but UT *does* have additional balance changes.

http://www.gamespot.com/psp/action/...c_id=m-1-52049128&pid=939394&tag=topics;title

*Reduced speed of Omni Air Dash and Multi Air Slide/Dash. They now have the same speed as Free Air Dash like how they were in the original JP version. The only high speed dash now is Air Dash
*EX Cancel to stop your own moves is gone. Which sucks because I've seen Golbez pull off killer combos using it.
*Some moves can't be Dodged Canceled out of now. These include (so far) Rising Buckler and Shield Strike (WoL), Vortex and Tempest (Zidane) and Sudden Cruelty (Sephy)

That's all so far, but yes, UT apparently isn't 100% identical to the US/EU versions.

 

[Highway Star]

Well that would certainly solve the question wether to use Omni Air Dash or Free Air Dash for me. Omni Air Dash was always just a huge advantage at getting EX Cores for me.

But the Sephiroth nerf really sucks, SC to Oblivion is one of his best combos, so I guess I'll stick to the EU version.

 

[Makoeyes987]

UT sucks, already. Those are some pretty stupid nerfs. Especially the Omni-air dash one. There definitely isn't any reason at all to get this if you already have the US copy, unless you want a nerfed version of an already balanced, and perfected game. Omni-Air dash is what allowed long distance fighters like Terra, Kefka, Ultimecia, and The Emperor to compete with in-fighters and stay out of danger. Nerfing the speed of their best movement option undercuts their playability severely. And it's not like it gave an unfair advantage to melee fighters, because they had the option to use Multi-Air Slide, which is the same speed as Omni-Air Dash and auto-targeted Ex-Cores.

Now no one can ever say S-E only gives the best releases to the Japanese audience, because already its looking like UT is subpar to the US version.

 

[DrakeClawfang]

There's also disgruntlement over Seph not being able to dodge-cancel Sudden Cruelty too. Apparently it was one of his best combo starters.

 

[Makoeyes987]

It is. And them taking that out is really unnecessary too. It's not like he even HAS a Brv to HP game. Nerfing him further is just fucking stupid. Oh well, this is all the more reason for me to be happy with my US version with gameplay that's perfect, AND it already being in a language I can understand

 

[The Twilight Mexican]

Anyone know if UT uses the original Japanese version's Chaos Reports or those included in the US/EU versions? I've been trying to find out, but so far haven't been able to.

 

[Max Payne]

Given some of the criticism from US critics I suppose they call themselves tweaking the game.

No surprise really.

 

[Strangelove]

Anyone know if UT uses the original Japanese version's Chaos Reports or those included in the US/EU versions? I've been trying to find out, but so far haven't been able to.

Is there any difference between the two, beyond the language?

 

[Makoeyes987]

Yeah, they made the ultra vague Japanese version of the Chaos Reports a lot more specific for the US release, changing a few things around.

Honestly, I think if there were a difference, it'd have appeared on the Japanese message boards and stuff regarding all of the differences found so far in the game. I don't think they got around to changing them because if they did, you'd have to acquire each and every one of the reports again. But you don't. They carry over along with the data transfer of the original Japanese version of the game. So they probably just have the same version of the reports they had before.

 

[Strangelove]

http://www.square-enix.co.jp/magazine/gamebooks/ff/ffdd_ult2/

This is a guide to the changes to UT, but it doesn't seem to mention anything about the reports.

 

[Makoeyes987]

Ahh, I figured. It wouldn't really be feasible to change them since they're part of the data that's apart of a completed save file. It'd either have to delete the reports and make you get them again, or somehow delete them, and give you new ones, and I'm pretty sure they didn't want to be bothered with doing such a thing.

 

[Tetsujin]

Ahh, I figured. It wouldn't really be feasible to change them since they're part of the data that's apart of a completed save file. It'd either have to delete the reports and make you get them again, or somehow delete them, and give you new ones, and I'm pretty sure they didn't want to be bothered with doing such a thing.

I'm not an expert, but wouldn't the save file basically just include the data that says "Reports unlocked"? So it shouldn't really matter if the reports themselves changed. I think.

 

[Makoeyes987]

Hmm, that's possible too. But still, I don't think they really cared or were bothered. Remember, the game is still essentially the same textually as the Japanese release of the game, save for the addition of new attacks/gameplay tweaks, added cutscenes, and the ability to toogle english and Japanese battle dialogue.

 

[Strangelove]

Would it be a problem, though? I assume it's just a flag in your save file telling the game you got the reports which it accesses from the disk when you read them, so if you load a file with all the flags, shouldn't you just be able the new ones?

Were there actually new ones, which there doesn't seem to be

Edit; and Tets said what I wanted to while I spent 20 minutes eating my dinner

 

[Makoeyes987]

Well here hito, take a look at the US version of the reports. As you can see, a few of the things are fleshed out, or just outright changed, due to their clarification involved.

 

[Strangelove]

Then when I can be arsed to sit and compare them, I shall

 

[The Twilight Mexican]

It really just seems to be the Chaos Reports that changed. And thank God for that -- the originals sucked.

But, yeah, if the official list of changes doesn't include the Chaos Reports, then maybe they stayed the same. If so, that's lame.

 

[Makoeyes987]

Well, lame for the Japanese gamers, but not for us. We've got our good reports

 

[The Twilight Mexican]

Lame period because it's going to lead to disagreements about what the canon is supposed to be.

 

[Makoeyes987]

Lame period because it's going to lead to disagreements about what the canon is supposed to be.

Well considering our release is the most recent, true release of the game, I'd say ours is. UT is just a re-release of their Japanese game save for some new attacks, cutscenes, and the other gameplay fixes we got. It was our game that got the first tangible, storyline additions/changes that showed the authorial intent on what the storyline should be.

 

[The Twilight Mexican]

That's still pretty much the same as the situation with Kingdom Hearts or Final Fantasy VII, though. Some things were added to the US version and then some more was added to the Japanese re-release -- and it's then the final Japanese release that we've always counted as the canon version, as it came last.

Granted, in the case of Universal Tuning, it seems more like it removes shit, but you see what I'm saying, I think.

 

[Makoeyes987]

That's still pretty much the same as the situation with Kingdom Hearts or Final Fantasy VII, though. Some things were added to the US version and then some more was added to the Japanese re-release -- and it's then the final Japanese release that we've always counted as the canon version, as it came last.

Granted, in the case of Universal Tuning, it seems more like it removes shit, but you see what I'm saying, I think.

Well UT is different since again, the only differences this International Release does is add the gameplay fixes and tweaks the US version has. It literally offers nothing new at all.

With FFVII, the only new thing that was added to it was the bonus disc that included an art gallery and other goodies. Their international version of FFVII was identical to our US version.

A similar situation happened with the re-release of the FFVII 10th Anniversary Ultimania, after the CC Ultimania. The 10th Anniversary Ultimania stated his birth year was in 1985. The CC Ultimania was released and clarified Zack's birth year as 1984. But then the 10th Anniversary Ultimania Revised edition came out, and said his birthday was again...1985. It became apparent that when they released the revised 10th Anniversary Ultimania they didn't bother to fact check/change their own statement regarding his birth year, and we had to go with the CC Ultimania, since that was the more recent statement that clarified the year he was born. Sometimes they just get lazy.

 

[The Twilight Mexican]

I don't disagree -- especially about the "sometimes they get lazy" part -- but the question of "What's canon?" is usually answered with "Whatever came last."

And you're quite wrong about FFVII International not making any new additions to the story, sir. Quite wrong, indeed.

It added the text of Zack's letter to his parents. XD

Your post was bad and you should feel bad.

 

[Makoeyes987]

I don't disagree -- especially about the "sometimes they get lazy" part -- but the question of "What's canon?" is usually answered with "Whatever came last."

And you're quite wrong about FFVII International not making any new additions to the story, sir. Quite wrong, indeed.

It added Zack's letter to his parents. XD

But Zack's letter was in the US version of the game too...

At least I thought so.

 

[The Twilight Mexican]

It was mentioned, but FFVII International's bonus disc actually lets you read what he said.