One messed up sequel

[Shizuka]

Let's say for arguments sake the creators of FFVII decide to to do a FFVII-2. Now the main villain is Genesis (I know he said that he would protect the planet not the people. So he's decided that the people must be destroyed in order for the planets survival)

Sephiroth is magically returned (this is square enix they are going to bring him back no matter what)

And now he's going to be a good guy because trying to destroy Cloud & co really isn't working out. So he decides to get revenge on Genesis for destroying his life. Cloud and Sephiroth have major issues but prevail in destroying Genesis.

This isn't meant to be taken seriously it's just a joke and clearly something I don't want to happen. But Sephiroth needs to remain dead is SE decide to do any future games...

Or as my friend Sephiroth deserves redemption but does he?

 

[Alessa Gillespie]

i think the way sephiroth was written sort of prevents redemption. how do you atone for killing an entire town because you flipped out?

i mean, maybe it's just cause i never played any of the major compilation games but it honestly seems like they never really tried to give him a good side. they never put an actual attempt into making him seem multidimensional. the only really well developed side of him was his megalomaniac side. there isn't much in the actual game that shows him having sympathy/empathy for anyone.

 

[Shizuka]

i think the way sephiroth was written sort of prevents redemption. how do you atone for killing an entire town because you flipped out?

i mean, maybe it's just cause i never played any of the major compilation games but it honestly seems like they never really tried to give him a good side. they never put an actual attempt into making him seem multidimensional. the only really well developed side of him was his megalomaniac side. there isn't much in the actual game that shows him having sympathy/empathy for anyone.

Thank you Polar Bear for your reply.

It is true redemption does seem impossible for him but then again Rufus seems to be atoning for his sins and he wasn't exactly a good person.

In crisis core Sephiroth did have a human side and was shown a few times that he cared for others.

 

[Alessa Gillespie]

Thank you Polar Bear for your reply.

It is true redemption does seem impossible for him but then again Rufus seems to be atoning for his sins and he wasn't exactly a good person.

In crisis core Sephiroth did have a human side and was shown a few times that he cared for others.

but with rufus i don't think he ever outright just ran into people and stuck a knife in them cause he was mad. his policies did create a lot of problems for people and the planet, but at the same time i don't feel it is the same as killing everyone in cloud's hometown with the exception of tifa because he was upset over something.

 

[Tifabelle]

Crisis Core did a good job of showing Sephiroth's more human side and making it somewhat sympathetic when he realizes his questionable origins. (although I've seen some people disagree with me, I actually rather liked that). But despite that, I think Sephiroth is far beyond the point of no return. It's just not possible for him to return to that "human Sephiroth".

 

[Shizuka]

but with rufus i don't think he ever outright just ran into people and stuck and knife in them cause he was mad. his policies did create a lot of problems for people and the planet, but at the same time i don't feel it is the same as killing everyone in cloud's hometown with the exception of tifa because he was upset over something.

No true but I bet if there was any resistance against him they would of been dealt with and he didn't get his hands dirty he got other people to do his dirty work for him.

The problem with Sephiroth's redemption is during the Nibliheim incident he lost his mind completely (not excusing his actions) the Jenova cells kicked in big time. But after he came back was he still insane or had he turned pure evil?

 

[Alessa Gillespie]

No true but I bet if there was any resistance against him they would of been dealt with and he didn't get his hands dirty he got other people to do his dirty work for him.

The problem with Sephiroth's redemption is during the Nibliheim incident he lost his mind completely (not excusing his actions) the Jenova cells kicked in big time. But after he came back was he still insane or had he turned pure evil?

well, in the end he was killed by cloud (or at least tossed into the lifestream) and then he came back with the intention of being god. somehow, i don't get the feeling he would easily give that up especially for the ff7 party or whatever to just go fight genesis.

 

[Shizuka]

Crisis Core did a good job of showing Sephiroth's more human side and making it somewhat sympathetic when he realizes his questionable origins. (although I've seen some people disagree with me, I actually rather liked that). But despite that, I think Sephiroth is far beyond the point of no return. It's just not possible for him to return to that "human Sephiroth".

Thank you Ayra Stark. I truly enjoyed CC seeing Sephiroth's human side. Wish we could of seen a bit more. There is quite a difference in the English and Japanese version. Zack seems to like Sephiroth less in the English version and more in the Japanese version.

I agree I highly doubt SE will ever have Sephiroth turn good again as it would cause a lot of problems for them.

 

[Captain Jack Harkness]

I agree with Arya.
Even i'm a Sephiroth fan i think that he's gone to far, and he can think about redeption only if the planet will do a brainwash to him.(don't talk about became Cloud's ally )
i think that this genre of sequel can be possible only in fanfics.
and if he want to KO Genesis for personal revenge (Gen wasn't really kind at Nibelheim) he can do it by himself, without need ally or better motives.

 

[Tifabelle]

I agree I highly doubt SE will ever have Sephiroth turn good again as it would cause a lot of problems for them.

Well I don't even mean from a game development standpoint, but rather looking at Sephiroth as if he were an actual person. I think mentally he's just too far gone to come back.

and if he want to KO Genesis for personal revenge (Gen wasn't really kind at Nibelheim) he can do it by himself, without need ally or better motives.

This, if anything, would be a more feasible scenario, although I don't think he has any personal grudge against Genesis, nor could gain anything from killing him off. (at least not that has already been shown in the compilation.)

And quite frankly, I don't want to see Sephiroth anymore. As much as I may like him, he's come back from the dead more than enough times imo

 

[Shizuka]

I agree with Arya.
Even i'm a Sephiroth fan i think that he's gone to far, and he can think about redeption only if the planet will do a brainwash to him.(don't talk about became Cloud's ally )
i think that this genre of sequel can be possible only in fanfics.
and if he want to KO Genesis for personal revenge (Gen wasn't really kind at Nibelheim) he can do it by himself, without need ally or better motives.

Thank you Loki, I did say Sephiroth becoming Cloud's ally was a joke: The first part of this topic was "what if SE did a FFVII-2 and this was the crappy storyline"

And the second part of the topic was whether or not Sephiroth deserved redemption.

 

[Shizuka]

Well I don't even mean from a game development standpoint, but rather looking at Sephiroth as if he were an actual person. I think mentally he's just too far gone to come back.

I agree again I have said Sephiroth shouldn't come back as he's had more lived than a cat and should just admit defeat. As for redemption he has gone to far for it but in a way I can't help feel sorry for him.


This, if anything, would be a more feasible scenario, although I don't think he has any personal grudge against Genesis, nor could gain anything from killing him off. (at least not that has already been shown in the compilation.)

And quite frankly, I don't want to see Sephiroth anymore. As much as I may like him, he's come back from the dead more than enough times imo

 

[Aki]

I think one way to have it work would be Sephiroth returns in a weakend state, either in a host or as a spirit/force. And he has found a way to fuse with Genesis to attain a new god like strength and destroy humanity himself.

Genesis is the main story arch, and a sub story runs of Sephiroth trying to track him down to do whatever he needs to do. He never seeks redemption its just pride now, he cant allow Genesis to suceed where he failed

 

[Alex Strife]

What if Sephiroth was only bad because Jenova took over his "brain"?

Maybe he's just a really cocky warrior who thinks he rocks, but no evil dude.


Of course, that's not my opinion, but something that Square-Enix could pull off, in the event Sephy was actually good in a sequel. To be honest, in CC, he seemed like quite a good guy. Cocky, but a good guy. I think there's a point where Zack seems to be wanting to go back to Aeris/th and then Sephiroth's all "You go rest, dude". I thught that was endearing.

 

[Shizuka]

I think one way to have it work would be Sephiroth returns in a weakend state, either in a host or as a spirit/force. And he has found a way to fuse with Genesis to attain a new god like strength and destroy humanity himself.

Genesis is the main story arch, and a sub story runs of Sephiroth trying to track him down to do whatever he needs to do. He never seeks redemption its just pride now, he cant allow Genesis to suceed where he failed

Thank you Aki for your reply :-). I like your theory I just couldn't see Sephiroth having to use with Genesis. Can you imagine the arguments? Sephiroth is far too arrogant to go and find help of someone.

What if Sephiroth was only bad because Jenova took over his "brain"?

Maybe he's just a really cocky warrior who thinks he rocks, but no evil dude.


Of course, that's not my opinion, but something that Square-Enix could pull off, in the event Sephy was actually good in a sequel. To be honest, in CC, he seemed like quite a good guy. Cocky, but a good guy. I think there's a point where Zack seems to be wanting to go back to Aeris/th and then Sephiroth's all "You go rest, dude". I thught that was endearing.

Thank you Cloche Leythal Pastalia for your reply :-) Before the creators of FFVII said that Sephiroth was in control of Jenova I actually believed it was the other way round. It kinda made more sense to me now if Sephiroth's will was that strong why doesn't he "will" himself to win?

As for when Sephiroth didn't loose his marbles. I played on CC the Japanese version and the English one. Now the Japanese version his character is not as cocky I preferred that version and Zack seems to be in awe of Sephiroth more. I the English version to me it was quite different.

Now I'm just saying this (don't want it to happen) can you imagine if he became good again. His life would be incredibly hard. No one like him, he certainly would not be a hero and how exactly could he have a life?

 

[Captain Jack Harkness]

i think that vincent will accept him (he's Lucrecia' son).
maybe Vincent will bring him to see her *fangirl's inner desire*

 

[Alex Strife]

If Sephiroth became a good guy, he would not survive. I literally can't see that happening. Like, 100%.

It would simply be too much of a ridiculous development. Can you imagine?:

Tifa: Strife Delivery Service, what can we do for you?
Sephiroth: Hey Tifa. Is Cloud home?
Tifa: I'm sorry, Sephiroth (you killed my father but I interact normally with you), he's working now.
Sephiroth: Okay, just tell him to meet me at the usual place later on.
Tifa: I will.
Sephiroth: Thanks.



Uhhh... what?

 

[Captain Jack Harkness]

Tifa: I'm sorry, Sephiroth (you killed my father but I interact normally with you)

but tifa&co do the same