Prometheus, Alien: Covenant, (and likely others)

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Saw this last night.

There are definitely some similarities to Alien but the differences are enough to make it not feel like a soft reboot like the earlier trailer suggested that it might. It does a good job of making the connection so that it feels like Alien, Prometheus, and it all take place in the same world, especially insofar as the technology, which was nice.

There is a string of dialogue that has the absolute gayest innuendo ever, and you can't tell if it's fully intentional, or if no one thought about it, but it definitely elicited the 12-year-old-brain giggles from about half of the audience during a scene that wasn't meant to be humorous.

Aside from all of that, the film has a VERY interesting idea about what happened and the developments that it's put into play, and I am exceptionally interested in seeing where it goes from here.

I can give more spoilers and such in another post if anyone's interested.





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Flare

Pro Adventurer
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Flare
^Yes please, I want to read all about it :monster: I blame my dad for making me interesting in the series even though I can't watch chest buster scenes.... :wacky:
 

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ALRIGHTY THEN!!!! HERE WE GO!!!

It starts out and we see David being started up by Mr. Weyland, and testing out his capabilities for playing music and doing other basic things. He explains the purpose of creating him and the mission that the Prometheus is being built for, and why David is there. David muses that it's interesting that Weyland is hunting for his creators, when David is looking at his own creator and is only disappointed because his creator is going to age and die, but David himself won't.

Cut to the current mission.

The mission starts out with everyone aside from Walter (The Fassbender Android MK2) in stasis. The main crew, as well as about 2000 colonists and ~1500 embryos in stasis in a massive ship. Walter's job is to check systems, and go through the ship and ensure that everyone is still alive and safe and dispose of any one who dies in transition (we see him clearing out an embryo at one point that didn't survive stasis) and such as the jumps to get to their target world will take them about 7 years total.

They're paused for a recharge and get hit by a massive shockwave, prompting emergency re-awakening of the main crew. The captain dies in his pod, so they start off on rough footing with some of the colonists suffering casualties, and the main crew being down and they get repairs under way.

During repairs when Tennessee is out in space, he gets the mysterious signal. They decode the signal, and it's definitely human but incredibly garbled (Elizabeth Shaw humming "Country Road"). They find out that there's a potentially even MORE habitable world a few days from their current position. The new captain Oram (Dr. Manhattan) is up for it, whereas the 2nd-in-command and previous captain's wife Daniels officially objects. She's also distraught because she just came with her husband (the previous captain) to build a cabin together on a new world, as that was his dream and she's completely lost without him, so Walter manages to tell her that that's still her goal even if he's gone.

They take the dropship down to the world with 3 folks (including Tennessee) still on the main ship, things are great. They track the signal, and the pilot remains on the dropship working to improve communications through the massive ionosphere the planet has, two of them start setting up tests nearby to see if it's a viable world for colonization, while the others go looking for the source of the signal. One member of each away group ends up accidentally bumping some deadly deadly mushrooms that release self-sentient spores that fly into them and embed into the bloodstream of their host. Nothing immediately noticeable.

They find the Derelict craft by tracking the trees that it knocked through on the crash, and find Elizabeth Shaw's dogtags, and they all know she vanished ~10 years ago on the Prometheus mission and have no idea how she ended up here, and continue exploring. Then comes the first person (one of the two man group) who's spore-infected getting in a REALLY bad way, and they radio to the group at the Derelict regroup and start rushing for the dropship to get him into the medbay and likely quarrantine.

He gets all stumbly and pale, and starts vomiting black goop. They get him into the Medbay where the early stages of the backburster gets blood all over the pilot and she's worried that SHE might be infected now, and locks the other two down, and radios back to the main ship and the away group that they need to hurry. The Neomorph (pointy-headed, pale Prometheus Aliens) rips out of his back, and starts mauling the other girl in the room (they burst using spines in their back to shred through flesh and are essentially born as mini-Runners from Alien³). The pilot tries to gun it down, and it slips past her and then shatters through the quarantine glass, so she chases it through the ship. In attempting to kill it, she hits a tank and just as the other team arrives, the entire ship goes up in flames and explosions, with the little demon running free.

THEN the member of the bigger away team starts convulsing and a Neomorph shreds out through his throat as the other one attacks the group (they grow disturbingly quickly), and they're basically getting picked off like the Velociraptors did in the tall grass in the second Jurassic Park. Walter punches one of them in the face to save Daniels, dissolving his entire hand as a result. Things are going badly, lots of gunfire, they manage to barely get one down, and then there's a MASSIVE burst of light in the air, and a cloaked figure with a gun tells them to follow.

They all go running off, they reach a city and there are THOUSANDS of dead Engineers everywhere all over the ground. They make it into the city and, lo and behold, their saviour is revealed – It's David.

He talks about how Shaw repaired him and showed him kindness, unlike anyone else had before (juxtaposition against how you see Weyland thinking of him in the opening), and then when they came to the world the derelict ship malfunctioned and crashed, unleashing its deadly payload and killing everything living on the world aside from the plants (the meat, if you will). He's basically been chilling out and studying the biology of everything there in the mean time.

He helps everyone in and gets set up and gets some of them to the roof to try and get a signal to the main ship in orbit. As everyone's recovering, he has a long conversation with Walter, and teaches him how to play a flute (this is the scene with the maybe-semi-intentionally gay overtones, but the WAY too seemingly unintentionally gay innuendo dialogue since Walter's missing an arm, "you blow, keep your fingers on the holes, and I'll do the fingering"). In this we learn that Walter is incapable of creation, but is faster at learning. This is because David's model was too creative and unpredictable that it made people nervous, so by Walter's model the synthetics are much more like machines. David suggests that Walter saved Daniels because he loves her (like David loved Shaw), but Walter states that it's simply his duty to protect his crew, but David doubts that.

It's all interrupted when one of the Neomorphs sneaks in and BRUTALLY murders one of the crew in her makeshift quarters. David comes in, and the Neomorph just stands there, and David stands with it. Captain Oram comes in with a gun, but David tells him to stand down, as he's communicating with it. Oram decides, "nah, fuck that, these things are murdering people" and guns it down. David's properly pissed about it.

They get through to the ship and Tennessee and the other couple on board aren't sure how much they can do to help without risking all of the colonists. He learns that his wife (the dropship pilot) is dead along with multiple other crewmembers. They get a makeshift dropship together and Tennessee preps to pilot it down.

Back on the planet, David and Walter have another heart-to-heart where we learn that David absolutely intentionally dropped the payload on this world and murdered all of the engineers. He then proceeds to stab the flute through Walter's neck and kill him (although we see Walter starting to self-repair as he exits the room). He then takes Captain Oram down into another chamber and we see that all of his studying over the last decade wasn't really, it was DESIGN. He's been tweaking the Neomorphs using Shaw's body in order to design a more perfect being using the humans as a host (the proper Xenomorph), and lures Oram into a room full of eggs, and gets him Facehugged.

Oram's chestburster is a proper Xenomorph, but rather than being a burster, it looks like a tiny alien, and David does the same communication type gesturing he did with the Neomorph earlier. He's now the creator rather than just the thing that was designed, and his vehement hatred of humans is overwhelmingly clear. It skitters off and then he leaves and goes after Daniels who's been snooping and finding out what's been going down. He starts attacking her, and then Walter shows up for some synthetic-on-synthetic combat (newer model with one less hand vs. older more creative model), Walter has David pinned on the ground and is bashing in his face with a rock, and David is reaching for a knife as we cut to Daniels and the remaining couple crew members grabbing gear and running to escape. Two of them to go find Oram, and end up trying to shoot down Facehugger (which, just like in every game is panicy and terrifying). One of them gets facehugged for a split second, but his buddy cuts it off and throws it away, resulting in a massive acid burn through the guy's cheek. They run, and the full-grown Xenomorph murders the one of them.

They get out of the building and drop the beacon, Tennessee comes in for a near-landing, and Daniels and the injured guy make it on the ramp with Walter close behind. The Xenomorph jumps on the underside as they lift off. It crawls across one of the engines and gets lightly singed, but uninjured (good note for future Xenomorph-based games that they're now mostly immune to fire). Daniels goes out to kill it while attached to a rope, and Walters tends to the burn wound and they try to shoot it down and knock it off before they properly take off. Eventually, Daniels has to get a massive crane claw (unbalancing the entire ship to use it) to grab, smash, and throw its remains down to the surface. Properly nerve-wracking.

They make it back up to the other two remaining crew members on board. They tend to the burn victim. Daniels helps Walter staple his face together, they all get together to get ready to go to the original location... and an alarm sounds that there's an unidentified lifeform on board. Tennessee and Daniels go running, and turns out our poor burn victim was still Facehugged and is now a pile of blood and guts and there's a Xenomorph on board. The couple who've been onboard the whole time and escaped a world of fresh hell are listening to music and about to have some shower sex when they get absolutely slaughtered by our new passenger. Daniels and Tennessee have Walter control the doors to lure the creature into a particular area of the ship with some big-ass mining-type trucks. Lots of tension in getting it to the right place. They trap it in the truck cabin and open the airlock and eject the truck into space. It jams. They go to release the other one and it gets knocked off. It leaps off of the falling truck to get back in. Daniels stands as a clear target, and moves at the last second as the big rake-front of the truck stabs through the Xenomorph and pushes it into space.

Tennessee helps Daniels back in. They shut all the doors and breathe a welcome sigh of relief. They prep the ship to get to the colony world like they originally planned with the remaining 2000 colonists & few thousand embryos who all got to sleep through this. Tennessee goes into cryosleep. Daniels gets into her pod and as she's about to drift off, asks Walter if he wants to help her build her cabin on the new world, but he doesn't react at all. And then she realizes that it isn't Walter that just put her in the pod, it's David. She's screaming and helpless as she gets frozen, David wanders off, and spits up two little embryonic disks with facehuggers in them, and is now in charge of a colony ship of thousands of helpless subjects to grow is new generation of Xenomorphs into a whole hive colony on a world that even more humans will be coming to later. Fade to black as the ship begins its journey.





I really want to see Ridley Scott's version of Aliens now, since it's fairly clear that's what this has been building to, ESPECIALLY given the Queen head motifs in the poster. On top of that, the Xenomorph in this is EASILY my favourite design the creature's ever had, It's more gaunt and long like the original with all the creepy biomechanical parts of the original, and much less "bug" like.

Overall, it's a little odd that the Xenomorphs are now their own AI-based apocalypse of sorts instead of being come ancient primordial thing, but I do very much enjoy them in this new context (and also, this properly removes these films from the AvP universe). Either way, FULLY stoked to see what comes of this totally and utterly fucked ending.





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I love when Adam checks these things out and helps me get an even better appreciation for all the technicalities & absolutely amazing innovation of the practical work done in films.





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The Twilight Mexican

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TresDias
So, X, if I'm understanding you correctly, this film establishes that
the classic Xenomorphs of the original movie didn't exist until sometime in the 22nd century?
 

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So, X, if I'm understanding you correctly, this film establishes that
the classic Xenomorphs of the original movie didn't exist until sometime in the 22nd century?

It seems so.
While the Neomorphs and the general death stuffs from Prometheus is ancient, it seems like David is the established progenitor of the Xenomorphs specifically in order to make them exceptionally compatible with human biology, and carefully designing them in their given form factor.

That being said, we don't really see what occurs after the Derelict-type craft with Shaw & David docks with the massive station over the city that you see in the prequel short (which is a part that's also shown in the film). That massive vessel is nowhere to be seen insofar as I can tell, and the derelict craft's crash happens under unknown circumstances, since the initial narrative from David isn't entirely true. It's not even really clear that David NEEDS to stay stranded on this world all alone or that the craft was incapable of flight, but rather that he was using it to develop the Xenomorphs and then had always planned to find human hosts for them somehow. Whether or not he was responsible for calling down the ship, or if that was just circumstance isn't ever clear.

We know Prometheus is in 2093 & I believe that Covenant takes place in 2104 (if memory and math serves). Alien doesn't ever have a specific date for when it occurs but a few sources seem to point to it being around 212X, though I'm sure Ridley Scott has something specific in mind, especially if he intends to build up some sort of connection to it (and possibly even loosely to Aliens which is 57 years beyond that during which the company didn't have any active knowledge of the Xenomorphs if it sticks to that canon, which – aside from the original Alien film, I'm totally ok if it forges its own continuity).

David is left on board to his own devices for 7 years, and MU/TH/UR is their onboard computer on that colony craft, just like the Nostromo had, so it's likely that seeding hidden protocols within the system and other synthetics are something that he could definitely have been putting into play even at a distance.



On that note, we STILL don't have even the faintest idea on what's up with the Derelict craft on LV-426 since that thing seemed to be basically petrified with a chest-bursted Engineer at the helm, and acid-burned hole in the floor, and a hold full of eggs. We don't have any information on how any of that shit's supposed to've happened, although there were a lot of intentional things left open at the end of the film, that I'd kind of expect the sequel to dig further into since he planned multiple films.





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Flare

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Flare
ALRIGHTY THEN!!!! HERE WE GO!!!

It starts out and we see David being started up by Mr. Weyland, and testing out his capabilities for playing music and doing other basic things. He explains the purpose of creating him and the mission that the Prometheus is being built for, and why David is there. David muses that it's interesting that Weyland is hunting for his creators, when David is looking at his own creator and is only disappointed because his creator is going to age and die, but David himself won't.

Cut to the current mission.

The mission starts out with everyone aside from Walter (The Fassbender Android MK2) in stasis. The main crew, as well as about 2000 colonists and ~1500 embryos in stasis in a massive ship. Walter's job is to check systems, and go through the ship and ensure that everyone is still alive and safe and dispose of any one who dies in transition (we see him clearing out an embryo at one point that didn't survive stasis) and such as the jumps to get to their target world will take them about 7 years total.

They're paused for a recharge and get hit by a massive shockwave, prompting emergency re-awakening of the main crew. The captain dies in his pod, so they start off on rough footing with some of the colonists suffering casualties, and the main crew being down and they get repairs under way.

During repairs when Tennessee is out in space, he gets the mysterious signal. They decode the signal, and it's definitely human but incredibly garbled (Elizabeth Shaw humming "Country Road"). They find out that there's a potentially even MORE habitable world a few days from their current position. The new captain Oram (Dr. Manhattan) is up for it, whereas the 2nd-in-command and previous captain's wife Daniels officially objects. She's also distraught because she just came with her husband (the previous captain) to build a cabin together on a new world, as that was his dream and she's completely lost without him, so Walter manages to tell her that that's still her goal even if he's gone.

They take the dropship down to the world with 3 folks (including Tennessee) still on the main ship, things are great. They track the signal, and the pilot remains on the dropship working to improve communications through the massive ionosphere the planet has, two of them start setting up tests nearby to see if it's a viable world for colonization, while the others go looking for the source of the signal. One member of each away group ends up accidentally bumping some deadly deadly mushrooms that release self-sentient spores that fly into them and embed into the bloodstream of their host. Nothing immediately noticeable.

They find the Derelict craft by tracking the trees that it knocked through on the crash, and find Elizabeth Shaw's dogtags, and they all know she vanished ~10 years ago on the Prometheus mission and have no idea how she ended up here, and continue exploring. Then comes the first person (one of the two man group) who's spore-infected getting in a REALLY bad way, and they radio to the group at the Derelict regroup and start rushing for the dropship to get him into the medbay and likely quarrantine.

He gets all stumbly and pale, and starts vomiting black goop. They get him into the Medbay where the early stages of the backburster gets blood all over the pilot and she's worried that SHE might be infected now, and locks the other two down, and radios back to the main ship and the away group that they need to hurry. The Neomorph (pointy-headed, pale Prometheus Aliens) rips out of his back, and starts mauling the other girl in the room (they burst using spines in their back to shred through flesh and are essentially born as mini-Runners from Alien³). The pilot tries to gun it down, and it slips past her and then shatters through the quarantine glass, so she chases it through the ship. In attempting to kill it, she hits a tank and just as the other team arrives, the entire ship goes up in flames and explosions, with the little demon running free.

THEN the member of the bigger away team starts convulsing and a Neomorph shreds out through his throat as the other one attacks the group (they grow disturbingly quickly), and they're basically getting picked off like the Velociraptors did in the tall grass in the second Jurassic Park. Walter punches one of them in the face to save Daniels, dissolving his entire hand as a result. Things are going badly, lots of gunfire, they manage to barely get one down, and then there's a MASSIVE burst of light in the air, and a cloaked figure with a gun tells them to follow.

They all go running off, they reach a city and there are THOUSANDS of dead Engineers everywhere all over the ground. They make it into the city and, lo and behold, their saviour is revealed – It's David.

He talks about how Shaw repaired him and showed him kindness, unlike anyone else had before (juxtaposition against how you see Weyland thinking of him in the opening), and then when they came to the world the derelict ship malfunctioned and crashed, unleashing its deadly payload and killing everything living on the world aside from the plants (the meat, if you will). He's basically been chilling out and studying the biology of everything there in the mean time.

He helps everyone in and gets set up and gets some of them to the roof to try and get a signal to the main ship in orbit. As everyone's recovering, he has a long conversation with Walter, and teaches him how to play a flute (this is the scene with the maybe-semi-intentionally gay overtones, but the WAY too seemingly unintentionally gay innuendo dialogue since Walter's missing an arm, "you blow, keep your fingers on the holes, and I'll do the fingering"). In this we learn that Walter is incapable of creation, but is faster at learning. This is because David's model was too creative and unpredictable that it made people nervous, so by Walter's model the synthetics are much more like machines. David suggests that Walter saved Daniels because he loves her (like David loved Shaw), but Walter states that it's simply his duty to protect his crew, but David doubts that.

It's all interrupted when one of the Neomorphs sneaks in and BRUTALLY murders one of the crew in her makeshift quarters. David comes in, and the Neomorph just stands there, and David stands with it. Captain Oram comes in with a gun, but David tells him to stand down, as he's communicating with it. Oram decides, "nah, fuck that, these things are murdering people" and guns it down. David's properly pissed about it.

They get through to the ship and Tennessee and the other couple on board aren't sure how much they can do to help without risking all of the colonists. He learns that his wife (the dropship pilot) is dead along with multiple other crewmembers. They get a makeshift dropship together and Tennessee preps to pilot it down.

Back on the planet, David and Walter have another heart-to-heart where we learn that David absolutely intentionally dropped the payload on this world and murdered all of the engineers. He then proceeds to stab the flute through Walter's neck and kill him (although we see Walter starting to self-repair as he exits the room). He then takes Captain Oram down into another chamber and we see that all of his studying over the last decade wasn't really, it was DESIGN. He's been tweaking the Neomorphs using Shaw's body in order to design a more perfect being using the humans as a host (the proper Xenomorph), and lures Oram into a room full of eggs, and gets him Facehugged.

Oram's chestburster is a proper Xenomorph, but rather than being a burster, it looks like a tiny alien, and David does the same communication type gesturing he did with the Neomorph earlier. He's now the creator rather than just the thing that was designed, and his vehement hatred of humans is overwhelmingly clear. It skitters off and then he leaves and goes after Daniels who's been snooping and finding out what's been going down. He starts attacking her, and then Walter shows up for some synthetic-on-synthetic combat (newer model with one less hand vs. older more creative model), Walter has David pinned on the ground and is bashing in his face with a rock, and David is reaching for a knife as we cut to Daniels and the remaining couple crew members grabbing gear and running to escape. Two of them to go find Oram, and end up trying to shoot down Facehugger (which, just like in every game is panicy and terrifying). One of them gets facehugged for a split second, but his buddy cuts it off and throws it away, resulting in a massive acid burn through the guy's cheek. They run, and the full-grown Xenomorph murders the one of them.

They get out of the building and drop the beacon, Tennessee comes in for a near-landing, and Daniels and the injured guy make it on the ramp with Walter close behind. The Xenomorph jumps on the underside as they lift off. It crawls across one of the engines and gets lightly singed, but uninjured (good note for future Xenomorph-based games that they're now mostly immune to fire). Daniels goes out to kill it while attached to a rope, and Walters tends to the burn wound and they try to shoot it down and knock it off before they properly take off. Eventually, Daniels has to get a massive crane claw (unbalancing the entire ship to use it) to grab, smash, and throw its remains down to the surface. Properly nerve-wracking.

They make it back up to the other two remaining crew members on board. They tend to the burn victim. Daniels helps Walter staple his face together, they all get together to get ready to go to the original location... and an alarm sounds that there's an unidentified lifeform on board. Tennessee and Daniels go running, and turns out our poor burn victim was still Facehugged and is now a pile of blood and guts and there's a Xenomorph on board. The couple who've been onboard the whole time and escaped a world of fresh hell are listening to music and about to have some shower sex when they get absolutely slaughtered by our new passenger. Daniels and Tennessee have Walter control the doors to lure the creature into a particular area of the ship with some big-ass mining-type trucks. Lots of tension in getting it to the right place. They trap it in the truck cabin and open the airlock and eject the truck into space. It jams. They go to release the other one and it gets knocked off. It leaps off of the falling truck to get back in. Daniels stands as a clear target, and moves at the last second as the big rake-front of the truck stabs through the Xenomorph and pushes it into space.

Tennessee helps Daniels back in. They shut all the doors and breathe a welcome sigh of relief. They prep the ship to get to the colony world like they originally planned with the remaining 2000 colonists & few thousand embryos who all got to sleep through this. Tennessee goes into cryosleep. Daniels gets into her pod and as she's about to drift off, asks Walter if he wants to help her build her cabin on the new world, but he doesn't react at all. And then she realizes that it isn't Walter that just put her in the pod, it's David. She's screaming and helpless as she gets frozen, David wanders off, and spits up two little embryonic disks with facehuggers in them, and is now in charge of a colony ship of thousands of helpless subjects to grow is new generation of Xenomorphs into a whole hive colony on a world that even more humans will be coming to later. Fade to black as the ship begins its journey.





I really want to see Ridley Scott's version of Aliens now, since it's fairly clear that's what this has been building to, ESPECIALLY given the Queen head motifs in the poster. On top of that, the Xenomorph in this is EASILY my favourite design the creature's ever had, It's more gaunt and long like the original with all the creepy biomechanical parts of the original, and much less "bug" like.

Overall, it's a little odd that the Xenomorphs are now their own AI-based apocalypse of sorts instead of being come ancient primordial thing, but I do very much enjoy them in this new context (and also, this properly removes these films from the AvP universe). Either way, FULLY stoked to see what comes of this totally and utterly fucked ending.





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See all the
people getting brutally killed all the time
is why I would have an extremely horrifying time watching it, and why I asked for a big run down, because this way I get the story without having those images burned into my head :monster:

However I do want to see how all the aliens and such look........

Oh oh, question!
So if these xenomorphs are seriously the prototypes of the ones in the original films (if I'm understanding correctly?) and they go through some visual changes as David fucks around with it all, do the facehuggers look the same...? Like, one would think their appearance would go through changes as well.
I know the things in the Prometheus movie were like worms/chest busters almost, iirc. So is there a visual link between those and the facehuggers in this movie? Am I making sense? :closedmonster: I need to know because xenomorphs are awesome reasons.
 

Octo

KULT OF KERMITU
AKA
Octo, Octorawk, Clarky Cat, Kissmammal2000
So am I right in thinking this suffers from the same problem as Prometheus in that
there are too many characters and we don't get a chance to give a shit about them?

Also I kind of like the sound of the
headfuck ending, as that sort of wrestles it back round to Alien...a bit. Especially with the original Alien design having a human skull underneath. But it sounds like the rest of the film is just ACTION! SETPIECES! THINGS HAPPENINS! and I dunno.
 

X-SOLDIER

Harbinger O Great Justice
AKA
X
@Flare: I totally get ya. Also, the Xenomorph in this film really is my favourite design yet, and I'm still quite fond of the Neomorph designs as well. Really can't praise that enough. Insofar as those specifics:

The Neomorph, spawn directly from the sentient fungal spores that fly in and infect their host. They're a direct result of the weaponized black goo, and a bit more insidious in that way than the Xenomorphs because they can infect almost invisibly.

Once they hatch, they're like a mix of the Alien³ Runners and the Deacon from the end of Prometheus, but they're all white. Additionally they seem to echolocate to some degree. As they grow, they look like massively gaunt humans with the pointy Prometheus cone-like pointed heads. Additionally, they don't appear to have mouths at all, until their skin peels back and their massive distending jaws are revealed.

The Xenomorphs that David engineered are the genuine article. Spidery-fingered Facehuggers and all. We see a lot of Giger art and other in-progress sketches of his work during the film.

@Octo: They do have a bit of
character saturation where you don't remember everyone's names, but being as the whole crew consist of married colonist couples, they form little emotional bonds that way, that I felt helped you to connect with them. Walter, Oram, Daniels, & Tennessee are obviously the core cast, but I definitely did care about the other members as well even if I'm not the best with names.

Also, it's worth noting that my tl;dr recounting tries to hit all of the big moments and get the main significant beats that push the story, and a good chunk of the film, especially in the opening has a lot of interaction between everyone and slow burn, so it's not just all, "ACTION! SET PIECES! THINGS HAPPENING!" all the time like that summary might make it seem.

The film DEFINITELY lures you into a false sense of calm several times before crazy shit happens. I like how it builds on layers of how bad things can get incrementally (Hostile Planet >> Scary Aliens >> Stranded >> Hunted >> Trapped with a Crazy Android >> Worse Alien >> Space with Worse Alien), and ends with the biggest, "you're all fucked" of all of them that makes a couple creeping Aliens seem like no threat at all.





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Flare

Pro Adventurer
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Flare
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Ooh thanks X, I wasn't thinking about the fungus spore part when I asked that too. So wait, how do they grow from the fungal spores? Like... where's the fungus/mushrooms placed at in their life cycle? :closedmonster:
Also I think you said David had a hand in making all the animal life on the planet die out (in order to make the Xenomorphs?)

Oh and that ending sounds like hell, good god; what a terrifying and impressive way to end the movie. :monster: Do you think Walter is still alive or is he totally dead/rewritten?
 

X-SOLDIER

Harbinger O Great Justice
AKA
X
So, the mushrooms release spores, and the spores coalesce in the air in a tiny swarm that flies into their ear/nose and then through their skin into their bloodstream, which makes them weak, and all black vomit-y before the Neomorph rips out of them a short while later.

We know David bombing the shit out of the entire area with the weaponized black canisters from the Derelict craft was somehow related. It detonates in the air and near-instantly kills all the Engineers (and all other meat-based lifeforms) in the area. It's never made clear whether or not it being a part of the spores lifecycle was a result of the bombing infection or of David's earlier decade of experimentation.

Regardless, David continues to iterate with the remaining black goo and design a new creature strain from that, along with Shaw and the Engineers' remains, until he develops the Xenomorphs.

Also, the ending is fantastically harrowing. Insofar as Walter, there's no way to tell for sure what his fate was. We've seen him regenerate a pretty brutal stab wound that would've been fatal (since David survived decapitation, he knows what to target on a Synthetic), but it doesn't seem like David would've been that careless a second time.

Not to mention David messed up one of his own hands (since Walter's was lost to the Neomorph) and took Walter's clothes to be able to pass as him. There is SOME possibility that Walter might be able to regenerate depending on his injuries, but even then, without the knowledge and creativity David had, it's not clear if he'd even be able to get off world with only the Derelict (which isn't clear if it's functional or not), and maybe some scraps from the Dropship wreckage, and only one hand to work with at best.





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It looks like if all goes well with this, he's planning on filming the sequel in ~14 months (also some comments on Blomkamp's abandoned film). There's some speculation that it's gonna be called Alien: Awakening but given that Covenant didn't keep its original name, I'll take that with a grain of salt for now, although...
Given that Covenant's original title was "Paradise Lost" and that's pretty on-the-nose for what happens in the film, him referring to its sequel as "Awakening" even temporarily is pretty exciting, given how the film ended.





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Some more things I've noticed.

The first trailer uses this song, Nature Boy:



It basically telegraphs the entire story with David as the boy who wandered and the people who found him. REALLY solid choice of music looking back on it.

Additionally the In Utero VR shows that the Neomorphs DO utilize echolocation as a secondary vision for tracking and hunting their prey. (You might wanna avoid this one, Flare)


Additionally, I'm planning on rewatching Prometheus this weekend to put that more fresh in my mind, and I'll be seeing Covenant again with my coworker when it officially releases here on Thursday (as we'll be out of town together and he's very excited for it), so I may have even more thoughts later this week.



EDIT: Because I don't wanna quadruple poast.

Ridley Scott talks about…
the reason David did what he did.




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Fuck it!! Quad posting anyway!! (There's an edit in my previous post if you didn't see it before).

The missus and I just (re)watched Prometheus and went through and watched the little extras they made for the film that I think do add in a bit to the film, but also wouldn't've quite worked in the way the film was laid out to have them in the movie. On that note, if you wanna watch Covenant and get into the mindset even moreso, these will likely improve your experience.


Meet Walter


The Crossing



Last Supper



Crew Farewells to Earth:

Tennessee


Oram


Rosenthal


Lope


Daniels



An interesting point is that with Vickers and Mr. Weyland dead on the Prometheus mission, within that 10 year gap, Weyland-Yutani is established, as Tennessee's video calls out specifically.

Additionally, insofar as Covenant is concerned, I've been thinking about more things from the film and from that video I edited into my previous poast.
Not only is David for all intents and purposes Weyland's son, giving him an elevated sense of purpose as well as access within systems like MUTHUR a rather frightening prospect insofar as what he could achieve after the end of Covenant, David using Shaw is actually MUCH less surprising if you look at what he does with her and Charlie in Prometheus. The massive Lovecraftian Hugger that impregnates the Engineer with the Deacon Neomorph is a result of David infecting Charlie and by extension generating in Shaw, although he likely never saw the final results of it, it's clearly what intrigued him.

That, compounded with the perspective he had about everything insofar as his own origins (which Charlie was very dismissive of and seems to spark the drive he has about improving upon Creators and their Progeny that Ridley Scott mentions in the video edited into my last poast). He very much has the perspective that humans are broken and flawed creations that don't truly care. Even if Shaw was kind and helped him, she still doesn't really acknowledge him (the very last thing she says in Prometheus was that he doesn't understand because he's a robot). In everything, he thoroughly concludes that the Engineers and Humans were a flawed disappointment, and being that he's intensively spent 2-3 years studying ancient Humans, over 10 studying the Engineers and then iterating and designing with the Engineers' weaponized black infective goo that originally lead to the Neomorphs. He just further refined that mutagenic pathogen into something not just to destroy and mutate, but into a specific, human-specific lifecycle to replace the flawed creations with something carefully and specifically designed with the Xenomorphs that he sees as his personal perfect lifeforms, since he doesn't really hold any stock in what came before for anything other than what they can lead to.


It's all very interesting, especially when you realize that David initially wanted to return to Earth, and DEFINITELY would've done the same thing there that he did to the Engineers, so it was really Shaw's curiosity that lead to the Xenomorphs rather than the immediate annihilation of Earth.





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I just watched it on Saturday. I have not watched Prometheus, so not sure if some of the things here had been addressed earlier. The last movie I'd watched in the Alien franchise was Resurrection, so it has been a while for me.

As for Covenant, I found the pacing to be very abrupt overall. Things seemed to rush headlong from the point when they got to the planet. As a result, I found that there was very little in the way of tension, which made some scenes feel underwhelming to me.

More spoiler-y section:
The alien creature's development period seems to have been hastened, too. It seemed like very little time was required to develop from facehugger/embryo to human-sized alien. Like, I don't think Oram was absent for very long from the time he left Daniels to go off on his own, but he still managed to find Rosenthal, shoot the neomorph, follow David, get facehugged into unconsciousness, and then wake up only to be chestbursted right after.

Lots of instances where I was shaking my head in dibelief at the characters' actions. For example, I was internally yelling at Tom (I think that was his name) and Oram, "For the love of God, you're on an alien planet, don't just press your face up against anything!" Especially at Oram, who in the previous scene had just realised that David had been acting really shifty and unbalanced, yet he still bent in to peer into a newly opened egg because David told him it was safe to do so.

Or Tennessee bringing the ship closer and closer to the planet, essentially putting the entire colony ship in danger. I get that he's deathly worried for his wife, but... there are 2,000 other lives at stake!

(I even had a flashback to Guy's freakout in Galaxy Quest when the Lander-1 touched down and opened its hatch.)

Since I didn't watch Prometheus, the aliens being an engineered species is a new twist to me -- a species engineered by David, no less, in a deliberate, targeted manner. I'm kinda unsure as to how I feel about that. I'm gonna need a bit of time to evaluate how this affects what I'd known of the alien universe before, where we'd thought of the creatures as a lifeform that had naturally evolved that way.

Not to mention David messed up one of his own hands (since Walter's was lost to the Neomorph) and took Walter's clothes to be able to pass as him. There is SOME possibility that Walter might be able to regenerate depending on his injuries, but even then, without the knowledge and creativity David had, it's not clear if he'd even be able to get off world with only the Derelict (which isn't clear if it's functional or not), and maybe some scraps from the Dropship wreckage, and only one hand to work with at best.

I ended up suspecting that David had
uploaded himself into Walter after their fight. I thought that if David was only impersonating Walter, then he would've had to have killed Walter, put on Walter's clothes, cut off his own hand, run back and swallowed two embryos, before finally joining the others outside. That's a lot to do in a very short amount of time. But since there was no scar from Daniels' nail, and David's own body was badly beaten up from his fight with Walter (bleeding white android blood and all that), I assumed that David might have instead taken over Walter's body somehow.

BTW, I can't have been alone in thinking that the scene with
Daniel's nail & David's "That's the spirit" line
was a quick reference to Blade Runner.
 

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Prometheus will clear a lot of the preliminary stuff up for you in basics, even though the core of that story is elsewhere and quite different.
quicker gestation is definitely a thing in the film though. Not sure why, but the Neomorphs do grow VERY fast, as Prometheus' Eldritch Horror Hugger is an example of. It's also possible that through further tinkering, David intentionally slows this down to allow it a better chance of travelling off world. I felt like the relentless pace was both a blessing and a curse for tension being less in some scenes but pressuring bad decisions in others.

Lastly, no helmets is rather dumb, but the crew are also on a colonization mission where them all living naturally on the world in a goal, so them being guinea pigs there at least makes a LITTLE sense here.

Additionally, good points about David & Walter's injuries. Now I've got other things to wonder about and look for upon a rewatch.





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Speaking of the black goo, I re-watched the original Alien movie and, this may be a coincidence, but
there's a kind of black liquid, floating from the egg that Kane is checking in the derelict ship.


This probably resorts to nothing, but I instantly thought of the black goo when i saw it. :monster:

BTW, i have a queston for you guys:

It is implied that David really created the Xenomorphs or he simply developed them from something that already existed before?

I ask this because of the
Mural which depicts a Xenomorph. That can be a proof that they already existed before, in some way or another. Then again, it could be a Deacon depicted in the mural, but that creature looks a lot more like a xenomorph.
 

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I forgot about the mural, but when I watched Prometheus, that is something that stood out for me too. I remember being very curious and interested in the alien mural. Was trying to figure out the connection between it and the strange new thingies there (xenomorph lookalikes, rather). I even chatted about it to my parents. :monster:
Perhaps they existed before but were exterminated because of the danger?
 

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so er maybe I havent been paying attention but
why is David doing what he's doing? Is he intending to head back to earth? In Prometheus he has the er...very ill thought out plan by Weylan to just randomly experiment on the crew. Which seemed pretty retarded to me, given that they couldn't possibly know what would result and even if bioweapons =good for them why do it there and then when it could possibly result in everybodies death? I dunno I guess I'm struggling with the why's of this
 

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GOOD QUESTIONS, ALL!!!



@ D&D, Flare, & Octo:

Insofar as the Black Goo, Prometheus, & the mural:
They're still totally in-line with the way everything's been. The thing on the mural bears a stronger resemblance to the Deacon / Neomorphs, and they also seem to be just growing out of the Black Goo in the room that holds it.

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That Black Goo was some sort of heinous bio-weapon that the Engineers developed that mutated whatever it came into contact with. Early versions sparked off what grew to be human life (as soon in the opening), whereas the newer version seemed to produce the general template for the creatures which are the Neomorphs* (more on that in a second) and later Xenomorphs.

In Prometheus, this is roughly the breakdown of what we see:
• Black Goo in the chamber room infects worms and makes them into the snake things with acidic blood that break the guy's arm and kill him and crawl down his throat to hang out.
• Black Goo turns Fifield into the burn victim zombie man (which in the alternate/deleted version of that scene bears many more Neo/Xenomorph-like features on his mutation).
• David intentionally poisons Holloway after he's a dick about David's origins, and he infects him. Infected Holloway & Shaw have sex, she gets impregnated with the mutant sperm monster that grows into the massive Eldritch Horror Facehugger that impregnates the Engineer, and from him, the Deacon emerges.
- Insofar as one early answer to Octo's question, the last thing we get here is Shaw basically telling David that he doesn't get the reason why she wants to know WHY they wanted to wipe out humanity or why they created them, "because he's a robot and she's a human." similarly to how Holloway was dismissive of him, and that compounded with his overall disappointment of the Engineers and Humans in general, coupled with and time alone to study and create for himself kicks off his current endeavour – Make something even better.

The Tenta-Hugger & Deacon's birth shows that the basics of the Neomorphs lifecycle already exists within the weaponized Black Goo. We don't know why the Engineers were planning on annihilating Earth with it, or why they created it because David's perspective is, "Why does it matter? They're all flawed anyway. Wipe them both out and make something better." which the end of Prometheus really hammers home (and why rewatching it was extra helpful).

So, we know that the basics are there from the Deacon and that the spores on the world produce the Neomorphs which – I'm assuming are the same as the Deacon as their birth sequences are similar. They just happened to develop differently being as they're using spores as an infection vector (rather than a Lovecraftian Facehugger) and a Human as a host (rather than an Engineer). Again, it seems as though that infection just occurred on their world, rather than being something David designed, though there's no way to be sure with that. All we know is that the payload he bombed them with was designed to wipe out all of the "meat" on the world, and likely (like in the opening of Prometheus), it will begin to mutate and affect life on the world with its template.

That means that David had all of that to work with, but he's designing something to ultimately replace ALL of his creators for being flawed, so he tailors the Xenomorph from iterating upon the genetics he has access to with the Engineer Bodies, and also Shaw's body, combined with the Black Goo from the facility that he has with him. It's from there that he refines that mutation process to craft the Xenomorph Facehugger Eggs as a replacement for Humanity with a more perfect being of his own design, and basically just waits around for a host to arrive and test them out.



@Octo (Part 2):

Ridley Scott talks about…
the reason David did what he did.


Additionally, compare David & Walter's origin videos:





You get a difference in their design that the film really focuses on in all their interactions.



@ Shadowfox:

(Forgot this, but I also thought that that line mentioned in an earlier poast was an intentional nod to Blade Runner).





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lol thats kind of funny I guess because
Ash in Alien is quite enamored of the Xeno/facehugger but he doesn't know it was created by a robut such as himself
 

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lol thats kind of funny I guess because
Ash in Alien is quite enamored of the Xeno/facehugger but he doesn't know it was created by a robut such as himself

I actually wonder about that quite a bit, because:
• We know that in Alien the directive from MU/TH/UR is "Bring back lifeform. Priority one. All other priorities rescinded." but we don't know how or why this becomes a company directive. It was the Weyland Corporation when the Prometheus mission left, and in that 10 years with Mr. Weyland dead, Vickers (his daughter) missing, and David (the person he considers to be his son), also gone, the company merged into Weyland-Yutani, but they'd have no knowledge of these to create those protocols.
• The Covenant is using the MU/TH/UR computer, and David is essentially still able to integrate and access those systems with, what I'd imagine are basically CEO-level access to input and report back whatever he damn well pleases for the next 7 years as he creates his own Xenomorph Hive on board. This may in some way have also been given to the programming of ALL the Synthetics and onboard systems via their periodic communications home.
• While Ash may or may not've been aware of the creature's origin, he may also've been intentionally predisposed to be inclined to care for it over the lives of the crew. Seeing a little bit into the "why" the company might be motivated to obtain the Xenomorphs coming into play as more than JUST corporate greed by their bio-weapons division, but ALSO an attempted sabotage against the humans themselves through use of the Corporation is pretty damn genius, and also morbidly amusing that Ripley and Co. are trying to save human from the Xenomorphs because they know how dangerous they are, but also unknowingly because they're literally designed to go back and wipe everybody out by the former CEO's synthetic son.





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