Rise/Dawn/War of the Planet of the Apes

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Finally got the chance to read your review, X.

The moment directly after the iconc line, "Get your stinking paws off me, you damn dirty ape!" where Caesar suddenly erupts with, "nnNNOOO!!!!", the chilling, shocked reaction of the audience was almost palpable. The only thing I heard in the silence was some girl's voice very timidly whispering, "w-what?" The execution is perfect, because you're wrapped up in the moment of them fighting, and fans will be recognizing the homage to the line from the original film, that when Caesar suddenly vocalizes a word, it hits with absolutely no warning, and immediately shifts the tone. It takes the iconic moment from the original, makes it into its own, and re-sells it absolutely spectacularly.
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The really interesting thing is that there's this sort of harmonious feeling of the Apes being free, while at the same time getting the feeling that they can't stay in the Redwoods forever, but then rather than going to credits, we see the scene of the shiity neighbor Hunsiker leaving, as an airplane pilot, and that after his brief encounter with the ailing Franklin, he's been infected by the ALZ113 virus, and as the credits roll, it reveals a graphic of the virus - specifically designed to withstand the human immune system, travelling all across the world. It leaves this sort of nervous, and unerring feeling of both satisfaction and horror that I can't really describe that just sat with me long after I left the theater, and really felt that I'd just watched something incredibly profound, and that one small scene and a little graphic running behind the credit sequence has totally changed what I felt moments before.
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I just wanted to highlight these two paragraphs because I don't think I could have summarized my thoughts so well as this. Definitely the two parts of the film that stuck with me the most.

That, and the image of Caesar dosing all the apes with the ALZ113. It was just such a great image.

this was a really engaging film. You don't see Hollywood do reboots/spin offs quite as well as this. The sense of forboding was amplified by the fact it was a prequel, There is a grimm sense of inevitability in the story. Even though you know where it's all leading to, you are just so enthralled to see how it all plays out. That is very good film making/story telling right there. I would recommend this movie to anyone. I really hope this movie gets the appreciation that it deserves.
 
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Balthea said:
Movie was all sold out when we got there. Should have known it being cheap night, but now might not see it for another week. :(
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Awwww... Sadtimes. I hope you can see it soon.

Kanaya said:
Finally got the chance to read your review, X.

I just wanted to highlight these two paragraphs because I don't think I could have summarized my thoughts so well as this. Definitely the two parts of the film that stuck with me the most.

That, and the image of Caesar dosing all the apes with the ALZ113. It was just such a great image.

This was a really engaging film. You don't see Hollywood do reboots/spin offs quite as well as this. The sense of forboding was amplified by the fact it was a prequel, There is a grimm sense of inevitability in the story. Even though you know where it's all leading to, you are just so enthralled to see how it all plays out. That is very good film making/story telling right there. I would recommend this movie to anyone. I really hope this movie gets the appreciation that it deserves.
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I'm glad that you felt the same about those scenes. There's so much about the film that's tough to articulate, I think because the story is told emotionally. I agree with the fact that the story was sold really well because of a prequel. I really hope that it draws in more people over this next weekend.


Also, I'm still surprised how much the International Trailer manages to translate the concept of what the film is about, and generally intrigue people more than the first trailer. Between the difference in tone, the initial trailer feels like it was for a completely different film, check them out now and see if you feel the same way.

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X :neo:
 
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Yeah, the first trailer makes it seem like science run amuck and the apes are mutated to become violent/rebellious as well as smart. Effecting their brains outside of intelligence.

The international one actually tells what the movie's about.
 
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Since it'll be till next month before i can watch this beauty, TO THE TORRENT MACHINE BITCHES!
 
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Tets
Just seen it.

When Caesar said "no" you could hear the entire audience gasp. O.o

When I saw the trailer for the first time it kinda felt like "lolwut?" but the movie is actually pretty good. I was pleasantly surprised.

Btw, I've never watched any of the Planet of the Apes movies. :wacky:
 
Pixel

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They should have just called it Rise of the Apes. Hollywood treats audiences like idiots, instead of letting them make the connection with the original for themselves. Thought they would learn that from titles like "the dark knight".

Anyway, best film ive seen in years. I love the the slow approach they took, building to an amazing third act. You really connect with the characters.

James Franco isnt the greatest actor imo, but he does an ok job i guess.

Wasnt there a scene in one of the trailers with Ceasar and Cornelia sharing a moment? in the film we only get a mention of her :huh:
 
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Umm, it wasn't Hollywood treating people like idiots, it was honouring the original saga by maintaining "of the Planet of the Apes" in the title.
 
Ryushikaze

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Yeah, all of the old movies had 'planet of the apes' in the title.

Regardless of how well that fit into the title. Or how little the title had to do with the film.

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Madame Mayor

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Wasnt there a scene in one of the trailers with Ceasar and Cornelia sharing a moment? in the film we only get a mention of her
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There's a Cornelia? Like, meant to make you think Cornelius? Cause that's pretty awesome.

God damn it you people seeing it a second time. :(
 
Super Mario

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Yeah! I do recall a Cornelia being mentioned during his stay at
ape prison
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And I thought ceasar's motives for starting a revolution was to break her out or something.
 
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First, I'm going to have to say this was an amazing movie. One of the best of the year, and among the very best prequel films I've ever seen.

I may write more about how impressed I am with the movie as a movie in general, but I want to go ahead and respond to some things others have said while I have time.

X-SOLDIER said:
The moment directly after the iconc line, "Get your stinking paws off me, you damn dirty ape!" where Caesar suddenly erupts with, "nnNNOOO!!!!", the chilling, shocked reaction of the audience was almost palpable. The only thing I heard in the silence was some girl's voice very timidly whispering, "w-what?" The execution is perfect, because you're wrapped up in the moment of them fighting, and fans will be recognizing the homage to the line from the original film, that when Caesar suddenly vocalizes a word, it hits with absolutely no warning, and immediately shifts the tone. It takes the iconic moment from the original, makes it into its own, and re-sells it absolutely spectacularly.
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Absolutely agree. One of my very favorite moments in the movie.

I also like how it was an homage to Aldo and Lisa saying "No" in "Conquest for the Planet of the Apes."

Actually, "Rise" has a lot of clever references to the original film series.

One thing I wonder is whether -- despite this movie being intended as a reboot and the beginning of a new film series -- if it could still be part of the original's continuity in a sense. While "Conquest of the Planet of the Apes" depicted the apes rising to power under completely different circumstances, it also followed the events of "Escape from Planet of the Apes," which were the result of time travel.

This "Planet of the Apes" reboot could be similar to the J. J. Abrams "Star Trek" reboot, only in reverse. While that reboot involved creating a new timeline based on events in the original, "Rise" could be depicting the original timeline, with the new one having been already depicted in the film series from several decades ago.

In other words, "Rise" could be a depiction of how the apes originally became the dominant civilization, leading to the events of the original movies -- with a new timeline emerging during the course of that original series.

Though Paul Dehn, writer of the four sequels to the original, intended for a time loop to be in effect, there's no reason for this reboot to be bound to that. I've even read that James Cameron had intended to do a film back in the 90s that would have picked up following the events of the original series, with the crew of the Icarus once again landing on the future Earth, but with the timeline having been changed as a result of the three apes who traveled back in time to the 1970s in "Escape from Planet of the Apes."

For that matter, scenes depicting the Alpha-Omega Bomb from "Beneath the Planet of the Apes" -- which would have cemented the time loop idea -- were deliberately cut from "Battle for the Planet of the Apes" in order to leave the suggestion that the timeline was open to change.

X said:
The assault scene on the bridge was absolutely epic in its execution. We see Caesar leading, and the Apes using tactics, Koba and the chimps taking to the top of the bridge, the Orangutans coming from below, and the Gorillas pushing the main front.
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That really was an amazing sequence. Very creative on the filmmakers' part.

X said:
I find it funny reading all the comments asking how hyper intelligent apes would defeat humanity, when in fact they do their best not to kill us, while still protecting themselves as a new/intelligent species.
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One of my very favorite elements of the film is that the actions of the humans really did lead to their own undoing, though this was, sadly, a result of Will having only the best of intentions. Rather than the apes rising to power through strength of arms (which would have been a difficult sell, even though that's what was done in "Conquest" 30 years ago), they just happened to thrive while the dominant species waned.

In fact, even had Caesar not orchestrated the grand breakout of the other apes, the battle on the bridge, or the intellectual evolution of his fellows, the humans would have been set to be wiped out by the events set in motion when Will and the other scientists used ALZ-113 on its first test subject. The decline of the humans had absolutely nothing to do with the apes here, which was both very clever and very fitting, I think.

It actually seems like great care was taken to ensure that things played out this way.

Kanaya said:
this was a really engaging film. You don't see Hollywood do reboots/spin offs quite as well as this. The sense of forboding was amplified by the fact it was a prequel, There is a grimm sense of inevitability in the story. Even though you know where it's all leading to, you are just so enthralled to see how it all plays out. That is very good film making/story telling right there. I would recommend this movie to anyone. I really hope this movie gets the appreciation that it deserves.
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Have to agree fully. It's rare that a prequel you know can't end well keeps you this engaged throughout, either in films or video games. Crisis Core certainly didn't pull off this level of foreboding, and even "Halo: Reach" didn't quite do it.
 
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*fingers double crossed that you actually get to see it*

Couldn't you check ahead to get tickets online or something like that?


X :neo:
 
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The movie premieres tomorrow in Sweden. However I will have to wait about two more weeks to see it, because then the theatre won't be as crowded and my friend will have money for his ticket.
It irks me to not be able to comment movies as soon as you guys in the US. I have to sit here and wait. =(
 
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Madame Mayor

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Wow.

Okay.
Not going to read anyone else's reviews yet and just write out my own fangirling thoughts first. Bad things out of the way. Tom Felton. Both of the original Planet of the Apes lines done by him were really awkward and I feel like there could have been better takes. These should have sounded natural, well, the first one should have been more mocking, and the second one needed more rage and less "I'm saying a line from a classic movie".

I really hope the DVD has an extended version with a lot of the deleted scenes. Cornelia needed notice. No regular person is going to realise that he had a girlfriend and he was going to the lab to save her. As well, Charles' mental capabilities in the beginning could have been made clearer. I understood, but it felt like an extra scene or two of him just messing things up to get us used to the character like that, THEN the 180 to him being healthy would have been more affective.

That girlfriend character. Who seemed like she was suppose to be the 'I'm warning you, Planet of the Apes is going to happen' character, but she just came across with her lines as irrelevant and inappropriate especially when he's packing up his dad's things.

ANYWAYS

Things I loved.

Jimmy Farrell! Man I need to go watch Breaker High.

OKAY ACTUALLY ANYWAYS

This movie didn't really feel like a Planet of the Apes movie, though I don't think a modern movie could. However, it certainly had the right quality to be a faithful successor (unlike some other movie). Apes evolving through a drug is a better explanation than time travel mishap from the original series that I don't think could ever fly today.

Caeser was great and watching him grow and become more intelligent was done very well. I felt so horrible when he didn't understand why he couldn't go home, because I felt like at that point he was intelligent enough to know it wasn't Will's fault, and that Will wanted him to come home. Maybe it was just an act so he could stage his breakout.

I feel like I'm still saying bad things but I did really love it. It's the kind of sci-fi movie a regular movie goer is going to enjoy, and it's also going to be very interesting to your average nerd. Hollywood doesn't do this nearly often enough.

I'm hoping for the sequels and hope they are a similar quality to this one. Perhaps since they showed a manned mission to Mars, a sequel having a mission sending some astronauts far into space for a cryo sleep would be a cool touch. But maybe most of the humans will be wiped out by then. Guess it could still work as their way to save humanity. /rant

EDIT: Something else I appreciated as a homage to the original series was the apes all being separated into species types on the bridge and having their own jobs to do. Maybe it wasn't on purpose, but it gave me a chilling feel to that scene from the original movie (or is it the second movie now I can't remember) where they are all in their groups talking about the Gorilla's going on the hunt and you can really feel the class system. Now actually I think it is the second movie I'm thinking of.

Loved it so much. Please make a Caeser plushie for the special dvds. This is all.
 
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