Sephiroth: What the fuck happened?

[Cat Rage Room]

Spoiler: ATTRACTIVE YOUNG PROFESSIONAL looking for singles w/ no strings

I am an unmarried, 30yo male, no kids, approx. 6 feet tall, slim but strapping build. I am career-oriented with a stable job as the first and best of Shinra's SOLDIER First Class. I am motivated, driven, resourceful, a little stubborn but my ears will be open to the right person. I enjoy practicing sword moves, watching movies, using materia, Gold Saucer (Battle Square in particular), reading scientific journals, and myriad other interests. I am loyal, reliable, affectionate, caring, smart, honest, and a good listener.

If this sounds good to you, plz include n00ds pics with your reply and I will get back to you.

• Location: Midgar
• it's NOT ok to contact this poster with services or other commercial interests

[/COLOR]

Okay, this is good.

 

[megas_sephiroth]

@Mako

I don't see reality like a Disney movie. I told you I'm not usually a very romantic person. What I'm saying is that if he meets the right person, why not?

But I agree with MOG, even if he doesn't have romantic interests he probably would still have sex.

@mutanik

We clearly have nothing better to do.

The add is great.

 

[Makoeyes987]

No, MOG. I'm not misunderstanding you. That's exactly what I was talking about. I have no idea where you got me talking about him loving. I said, "non-committed" sex and "fling." So why did you think I was talking about him falling in love? I *was* talking about just sex.

@munatik

Wow, that's..surprisingly in character.

I don't think he'd call himself affectionate though, to be honest.

 

[Cat Rage Room]

Ah Mako, I saw the post before you edited it, brah. My bad.

@Notorious M.O.G.

Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if Sephiroth had non-committed sex for the hell of it. But I don't see him falling in love with anyone. I could see him having sex and having a fling now and then but...while possible, I just don't see him as the type to open up himself that way. It's possible and I wouldn't be that surprised but I just see it as unlikely. I honestly see him sublimating his sexual urges and frustration through fighting and violence.

I don't think Sephiroth fell in love with anyone at any point. The dude barely had friends. He couldn't keep a woman. I agree 100%.

But considering his pride, arrogance (two very sexual personality traits), and massive worldwide popularity, I wouldn't be surprised if he had sex for the mere sake of puffing up himself. Having sex with a multitude of beautiful women for no particular reason is a tried and true arrogance feeder. I'm not saying Sephiroth slept around or anything, he doesn't have the interest, but it's hard to swallow the possibility that the man died a virgin.

Twice.

As an aside, a lot of writers try to write antagonists as being 'above petty human emotions such as sexual desire', but then those same characters go and do something else that's also driven by petty human emotion, such as mass murder or megalomania. Those are very human things in itself as well.

"I'm above such petty human failings as sex! However, I'm going to kill everyone in this city in RAGE"

A good example of an antagonist that's consistently above humanity's emotive responses in every respect is Krelian from Xenogears. He doesn't give a fuck. About anything. He just gets shit done. But that's just a non related example.

 

[Munatik]

Yeah well, I figured he'd fudge a few details if he thought it would help his chances.

 

[Cthulhu]

Yeah well, I figured he'd fudge a few details if he thought it would help his chances.

You mean 3/4th of that is a lie? .

 

[Munatik]

Probably. But I'm sure there's at least one sucker out there who would cross ocean and mountain alike just to be with him.

 

[Makoeyes987]

....There's a REEEAAL obvious joke in your statement munatik that I just don't feel the need to say. Suffice to say, yes. There are suckers out there who would die to have the other half...of his one wing.

 

[Cat Rage Room]

But I'm sure there's at least one sucker out there who would cross ocean and mountain alike just to be with him.

 

[Munatik]

....There's a REEEAAL obvious joke in your statement munatik that I just don't feel the need to say. Suffice to say, yes. There are suckers out there who would die to have the other half...of his one wing.

I'm not 100% sure what you mean, but I'll take your word for it. Goodie on Sephiroth...I think.

Oh, and /blush at my obvious ignorance

 

[Cat Rage Room]

Here's a hint; who's the only yahoo that went out of his way to go on a worldwide trek to find Sephiroth?

 

[Munatik]

Here's a hint; who's the only yahoo that went out of his way to go on a worldwide trek to find Sephiroth?

Aye, that's to whom I was referring, at least...

 

[Shadow Rogue]

Because he's

A.) Not a normal human being.

and

B.) He has shown virtually no interest in other people save for his close circle of friends.

And equating Sephiroth's fucking bowel movements to dating is just downright stupid. No genius. One's a vital bodily function of waste removal that is necessary for survival, while the other is a facet of human bonding that is hardly necessary for one's continued living, and not every individual chooses to do it.

Characters that are shown dating and having interest in relationships in FFVII are shown to have said relationships and encounters. Out of all the gossip, dialogue, and information regarding Sephiroth we know that he is reclusive, uninterested in people save for his friends, and he spends most of his free time either training, reading, or being alone. That's not conducive of having romantic entanglements.

And there's no genius in intentionally not getting the point used by illustrating the bowel movement argument; not everything that goes on is seen. I would have hoped you would have understood that; am I expecting too much?

We've pretty much established that Sephiroth definitely has the opportunity to persue romantic ideals, even if they are shallow pursuers. The obvious question is whether he decided to have these romantic ideals, or waved them off. However, even with all this canon by games; we still have a very vague notion of how he lived. Intentionally done by Squeenix I'd say. However, with his over-abundance of "confidence", some might say thats an indication of one who's fulfilled everything that makes life enjoyable. But as Sephiroth does not have a normal life, or a normal creation, we cannot be sure of anything. However, he does seem to value friends, so why WOULDN'T he also want a romantic relationship? Some would argue I'd be comparing apples to oranges, some say that a lover is like a friend with just a deeper relationship (and the sex of course.) Depends on what you're looking for. Comradery isn't as neccesary as the urge to continue your genetic legacy which we disguise with romantic thoughts, and is the root of alot of heartbreak and even deaths. Sure we could say Sephiroth was a highly intellectualized person that felt he didn't have the time, or the inclination to embrace someone, but this is the same person that upon learning of how he was created, killed an entire village. Tell me the intellectual process behind that; I still say he's quite attached to his own feelings and urges.

Or maybe he just has really high standards

 

[Ravynne Nevyrmore]

I can't imagine Sephiroth having an actual relationship. You could convince me of him being attracted to someone, you could convince me of him having sex (ypu'd have a harder time convincing me he didn't), but an actual relationship? And the words "romance" or "dating" anywhere in it? Hell no.

 

[Shadow Rogue]

I'm only using flowery words so I'm not offending anyone's ears. That and, in my eye, romance, sex, and fucking are pretty much just accomplishing the same thing.

 

[Cat Rage Room]

That and, in my eye, romance, sex, and fucking are pretty much just accomplishing the same thing.

Very, very false, brah!

 

[Shadow Rogue]

Very, very false, brah!

Dress it up however you like. Those romantic ideals of companionship and loyalty are nothing more than ethereal ideas inspired by chemicals that drive you to beat out your genetic competition by infesting the world with more of your kin, thus winning the game. It's an illusion. Something to 'seperate' us from animals.

 

[Cat Rage Room]

So is everything else you do. If you want to play the 'trivialize every aspect of humanity' game, I'm game, man. Having sex for kicks and having sex as a result of very real, very scientifically documented emotional attachment are two very different things.

I mean I'm by far not an expert on the field but given what my major is I've studied this shit to hell and back.

 

[Shadow Rogue]

So is everything else you do. If you want to play the 'trivialize every aspect of humanity' game, I'm game, man. Having sex for kicks and having sex as a result of very real, very scientifically documented emotional attachment are two very different things.

I mean I'm by far not an expert on the field but given what my major is I've studied this shit to hell and back.

You're putting the horse before the carriage on the emotional attachment. The emotional attachment is there because of the sex, not the other way around. Though some might say it's akin to what came first, the chicken or the egg.

I'm not trying to trivialize any part of humanity. why jump to such conclusions? I'm saying that's what we feel to get the job done, and fulfill our social neediness. Additionally, why would such grand work as the complex chemistry of the human brain be trivial?

 

[Ⓐaron]

In any case I definitely don't see any evidence Sephiroth had a libido. If he had sex it would've most likely been to fulfil his ego, not out of sexual desire.

 

[Cat Rage Room]

You're putting the horse before the carriage on the emotional attachment. The emotional attachment is there because of the sex, not the other way around.

Not always.

I'm not trying to trivialize any part of humanity. why jump to such conclusions? I'm saying that's what we feel to get the job done, and fulfill our social neediness

I got the impression you were jumping on the sad bandwagon that's 'EVERYTHING WE DO CAN BE ATTRIBUTED TO CHEMICALS SO WHY TRY TO ASSIGN MEANING TO ANY OF IT *shits self*, which is a stupid, stupid line of thinking brought upon the world by misinformed pseudo intellectuals looking for a cop out in arguments pertaining to anything regarding emotion or human meaning.

Fact is, whatever the case, there's a big difference between having sex for kicks (ego, sexual release, power, etc) and having sex as a result of emotional attachment. Big difference.

In any case I definitely don't see any evidence Sephiroth had a libido. If he had sex it would've most likely been to fulfil his ego, not out of sexual desire.

Yeah I said the same thing a while ago; I can definitely see that.

 

[Shadow Rogue]

Just for argument sake, Does Angeal or Genesis appear to have any libido? Disregarding evidence recounted by others, and going by their actions alone...

 

[Gale]

Angeal at points seems the most "normal" in that he bonds easily with Zack and seems rather well liked. He definitely seems the most well adjusted of the three SOLDIERS, and I wouldn't be surprised at all if he had pursued a relationship in the past - or at least had the drive to.

Whenever we see Genesis in Crisis Core he seems a bit off-balance so I'm not sure I can rightly judge how he would normally interact with others. But I'd certainly argue that Sephiroth seems to be the most aloof of the three, and that I'm far more skeptical of his libido than I am of Angeal's, and to a lesser degree Genesis'.

 

[Masamune]

The Angry Video Game Nerd?


Do I think Sephiroth was a virgin? Pfff....that's anyone's guess. He was an anti-social, detached individual, but that doesn't mean he wouldn't be at least curious about it or use it to fulfil a specific purpose other than emotional attachment (ala Griffith from BERSERK).

 

[Ravynne Nevyrmore]

I got the impression you were jumping on the sad bandwagon that's 'EVERYTHING WE DO CAN BE ATTRIBUTED TO CHEMICALS SO WHY TRY TO ASSIGN MEANING TO ANY OF IT *shits self*, which is a stupid, stupid line of thinking brought upon the world by misinformed pseudo intellectuals looking for a cop out in arguments pertaining to anything regarding emotion or human meaning.

Incidentally, it sounds eerily like something Hojo says in my doujin when Lucrecia asks him (in a dream) if he loved Sephiroth. I hate to spoil something I have planned for next chapter, but fuck, it's not like anyone's reading it anyway.

"What is love? An instinctual response instilled in our brains designed to propagate the species. You think your love means anything? You only feel it so that you'll reproduce and then protect your offspring. Did I protect him? Yes, I did. I saw him to adulthood, which I suppose is more than we can say for you. Whatever else you're looking for in that is a petty illusion romanticized by mankind's need to make themselves feel significant."

Thought it may have been semi-relavent.

However, in order to even form an emotional attachment to someone with any speakable degree of emotional intimacy, one has to not be a fucked up, emotionally stunted twat to begin with. And that could speak to either one of them.