Sequels that aren't as bad as people say

[Max Payne]

Ghost in the Shell: Innocence

idk I hear people slagging the film on occasion, telling me it's pretentious and will never stand up to the reputation of the first film

I honestly think that's something in its favor. It functions on its own as a great standalone film, Kenji Kawai did an absolutely smashing job (which I think he did better than the first movie) and there's just something about the atmosphere and palette which I absolutely love over the sharp gloom of the original.

It is true; the first Ghost in the Shell set a huge standard, and I don't think Innocence surpassed it, but Innocence was a fantastic film in its own right.

And it wins in terms of creepiness:

or more specifically,

The original Gits film wasn't that great either. It had fantastic animation, but that was about it.

 

[Octo]

^don't forget the soundtrack!

I think the first one was good, but it did get a bit bogged down in its own artfulness. I think if I'd read the manga first I would have been dissapointed, the manga was a lot more fun.

 

[DrakeClawfang]

The major problem is them not really lining up with the original trilogy on way too many things to ignore. However, a friend of mine likes to think of the prequels as their own universe of sorts, and I find watching them in that way they are very enjoyable movies. Maybe 2 is a bit painful, but only the romance scenes.

Agreed. Ep I had pretty good action scenes, but Ep II with Anakin being a total turd and the forced romance, it was insufferable. What really bugged me is how they tried to sell us that even when they were kids Anakin and Padme had fallen for each other.

4-year old Anakin: "When get I older, I am so totally gonna tap that."

 

[Ryushikaze]

9 year old. Who then grew up in a Monastery for the next 10 years.

The point is that the boy has a warped idea of what romance is.
They conveyed this for shit, but that's sort of the general premise of the prequels- best of intentions, worst of results.
Also, the one man who could have prevented all this died in the first movie.

The prequels are lackluster partly for their content and largely for the expectations people had of them.
And I say that as probably the biggest Warsie on this forum.

 

[Elisa Maza]

Rescuers Down Under is one of the most underrated movies ever. And one of the best sequels.

 

[Kobato]

Lion King II
Aladdin and the King of Thieves
Bambi II even though it's more of a midquel xD
Cinderella Twist in Time.
Return to Neverland.
Toy Story II

 

[OneWingedDemon]

Fast & Furious 4 and 5. Dun care, love them bitches.

 

[Max Payne]

Fast & Furious 4 and 5. Dun care, love them bitches.

Bah, those films aren't remotely bad.

Dumb fun, yes. Bad?

HAH.

Tokyo Drift however.....

 

[Cat Rage Room]

I'm unsure why Toy Story II is being mentioned in the context of 'sequels that aren't as bad as people say'. The entire Toy Story series is literally (look it up) the most critically acclaimed trilogy of all time. What crackhead claims that Toy Story 2 was bad, or fuck, even not good?

 

[Vendel]

Return of the Living Dead II.

If a horror/comedy about brain eating zombies is your thing, you should check this out.

 

[OneWingedDemon]

Tokyo Drift gives me second hand embarrassment. That shit ain't even watchable.
2 was not as bad, but was still shit.
Which goes to show that F&F isn't F&F without the epic gay love of Dom & Brian.

What crackhead claims that Toy Story 2 was bad, or fuck, even not good?

LOL, I don't care about its critical acclaim. I never liked Toy Story 1, 2 or 3.

 

[Cat Rage Room]

LOL, I don't care about its critical acclaim. I never liked Toy Story.

I hate you.

 

[Vendel]

I hate you.

So. she doesn't have a friend in you?

 

[Hisako]

LOL, I don't care about its critical acclaim. I never liked Toy Story 1, 2 or 3.

I might be wrong here but sometimes personal beliefs =/= actual quality of the film

 

[Ite]

Are we talking about objective quality in a thread about which sequels we think are good even though the world says they're shit?

Which sequels!?


...okay!

I'll throw in my vote for Rescuers Down Under, although aside from the new Winnie the Pooh it's the only non-Pixar sequel Disney has actually put in theatres. It also came out during the Disney Renaissance and is largely credited for saving the company from financial ruin. So I don't know if it's underrated...

Clerks 2 was almost universally hated and I'm glad I'm not the first to champion it on here. I thought it was an excellent follow up to Clerks, and it avoided the trap of trying to be too much like the first film. I might be one of the only people I know who has the Clerks Animated Series on DVD, and what I liked so much about that was how absolutely ridiculous it was, and was such a huge departure from the original (it was a kind of proto-Clone High). So I didn't go into Clerks 2 expecting anything but a movie about assholes talking shit, and what I got was a charming romcom that maintained all the thematic grace of its disillusioned predecessors. It was the absolute best that a sequel to a cult classic could be.

Ya, ya, cool story bro etc.

I liked The Lost World: Jurassic Park. So sue me, I haven't seen it in years and I'm sure it's awful, but I thought that movie was just fucking awesome when I saw it. It satisfied me on all counts: More smarmy Jeff Goldblum, more dinosaurs, less heart-warming kid scenes. It's not, you know, Jurassic Park, but DINOSAURS.

Another movie that I probably shouldn't mention is An American Tail: Feivel Goes West. Featuring James Stewart's final performance as a cartoon dog mayor. Wow, even typing out that sentence makes me doubt that I ever should have liked that movie. Let me watch it again and get back to you...

Tron Legacy was good. Other than that, I disagree with all of you. Also, I'm glad no one has said Advent Children yet, and I hope no one ever does.

edit: Oh yeah, and about Toy Story, just tonight my roommates and I rewatched TS3 (all in our mid-20s) and we bawled like little bitches. Again. Most people I know also cry during that Sarah Machlachlach(?) sequence in TS2, and I've never heard anyone with a soul utter a bad word against that trilogy. So you must be a bot.

 

[Kobato]

LOL, I don't care about its critical acclaim. I never liked Toy Story 1, 2 or 3.

Didn't really like the movies either. Toy Story 3 is just Brave Toaster with Buzz Lightgear, and the whole original concept was ripped off from Raggedy Ann's Musical adventure. They are not really original. xD Though the main reason why I didn't really like Toy Story was because of the main song " Friend in you " the main song tells a story of a deep friendship between a boy and a toy that will never die, and 5 mins later, Woody is rejected... it's just... LIES. xD

 

[Master Bates]

I'm unsure why Toy Story II is being mentioned in the context of 'sequels that aren't as bad as people say'. The entire Toy Story series is literally (look it up) the most critically acclaimed trilogy of all time. What crackhead claims that Toy Story 2 was bad, or fuck, even not good?

I never mentioned Toy Story 2, only the third installment. I don't know about those dudes, but I love the trilogy. They think the ending was bad. No really, I've seen some people bitch about the ending and hate the movie because of it. Sad but true.

But I guess they were just not ready to move on yet.

Didn't really like the movies either. Toy Story 3 is just Brave Toaster with Buzz Lightgear, and the whole original concept was ripped off from Raggedy Ann's Musical adventure. They are not really original. xD Though the main reason why I didn't really like Toy Story was because of the main song " Friend in you " the main song tells a story of a deep friendship between a boy and a toy that will never die, and 5 mins later, Woody is rejected... it's just... LIES. xD

In fairness to Andy though, he was just a kid excited about his new "popular" toy, but he NEVER rejected Woody. I thought that was obvious in the movie.

 

[Celes Chere]

Buzzlightgear? Friend in you? Those are incorrect, it makes me think you didn't really watch the movie. xD But yeah that aside, I do not see the resemblance at all between Toy Story and The Brave Little Toaster.

OWD and Litchi are smoking the good shit.

 

[Elisa Maza]

Also, I'm glad no one has said Advent Children yet, and I hope no one ever does.

Advent Children Complete.

 

[Alessa Gillespie]

What crackhead claims that Toy Story 2 was bad, or fuck, even not good?

my boyfriend

 

[Octo]

But yeah that aside, I do not see the resemblance at all between Toy Story and The Brave Little Toaster.

There is a bit of a resemblence, as in anthropomorphic objects being concerned about being left behind or forgotten.

 

[OneWingedDemon]

OMG I loved Brave Little Toaster <3

Bitches plz, I think Toy Story is vastly overrated. Anyway, I totally agree that my personal preference probably doesn't speak to the quality of the actual films in this case. I just have no attachment to any of the characters like I do with the rest of the Dinsey stock. They're not bad. I just honestly don't care for TS.

 

[Cat Rage Room]

Anyway, I totally agree that my personal preference probably doesn't speak to the quality of the actual films in this case.

It most certainly doesn't. Like I said, the series isn't just critically acclaimed, it's just well, plain old acclaimed. It usually has ratings that range into the 97-100 range, and the quality of the actual films isn't just praised for the content itself, the films were a very important milestone of films of it's kind and genre. It's easily one of the most important film series of all time, and it set the bar for pretty much everything after it.

It's not your cup of tea, yeah, but its quality cannot be questioned.

 

[Kobato]

Buzzlightgear? Friend in you? Those are incorrect, it makes me think you didn't really watch the movie. xD

I have seen it, just never really bothered to learn the names and songs >> Buzz LightYEAR, close enough.

OMG I loved Brave Little Toaster <3

Bitches plz, I think Toy Story is vastly overrated. Anyway, I totally agree that my personal preference probably doesn't speak to the quality of the actual films in this case. I just have no attachment to any of the characters like I do with the rest of the Dinsey stock. They're not bad. I just honestly don't care for TS.

Thankyou <3

 

[Mariketsu]

I'm not crazy about the Toy Story Trilogy but I did enjoy them all. Hell the last one made me bawl like a freakin' baby . I would say it is a great movie series that kept the original magic that it had and didn't lose most of it, if none at all really. Truth be told tho, while most people in general vastly enjoyed it, there are going to be those who just don't really like it all that much. People are different that way, as OWD said above.

As for underrated sequels, I agree about Bambi II. I loved the portrayal of the time he spent with his father and honestly felt it had more depth and memorability than the original movie did. Plus, not only was Bambi learning as he grew up, but his father was also learning his own lessons as well. (I'll add, Patrick Stewart was a great vocal choice for the role of his father ). The original movie was good, but I felt it lacked story somewhat however, the characters were none-the-less good.

~ Raz