SPOILERS The Ending Explained to me by a Reddit Poster (Spoilers)

[FalloutCreation]

A lot of things could be explained away with that, perhaps, but not the way she acts when Cloud first mentions Sephiroth to her. That is just too layered with narrative shorthands and signposting.

I also have to agree with dbclick's assessment that Aerith begins acting like a completely different character towards the end of the game. She's essentially leading the team and suddenly guiding the objectives.

I would even go as far as to say she's essentially a different character from the person at this same point in the original game who set out to learn more about her heritage and herself. That doesn't seem to be on her mind here at all, nor is she wondering what the connection between herself, Sephiroth, and Jenova is. This go round, Aerith is already aware that Jenova is an alien.

yeah thats something that supports dbclicks review of events. She does act like an entirely different person. She does at some point can't answer questions, but thats only after they go through the portal. its boundless freedom. She cant know what will happen at this point, but she seems to know a lot about Sephiroth.
Cloud got some earlier from Sephiroth. One of them was given to him from Aerith, most likely when she touched him numerous times. One of them being when the materia Holy dropped after Aerith died. That is solid evidence enough to assume Aerith knew that would happen to her. at least up to the point of her death.

The other thing that happens is she gives Red some insight into some of the knowledge she has. Red shares some of that info as they are fighting the fate. The party, as they are killing parts of the fate, receives tiny clips of events of the first game.

At the end of the game its clear its going to be vastly different from the original. No one knows what will happen next, but Aerith might be a medium the other characters lean to for any information. The devs might deflect most of the other characters questions with, "I don't know the future now is unwritten." As if to say the events of the OG happened but not in this current timeline. A clean slate for the new game. This isn't necessarily evidence to Aerith knowing everything as written in the previous paragraphs but it did make me think thats how the direction they wanted to take with the remake.

 

[FalloutCreation]

I don't think Aerith has specific knowledge of her death or other future events. Like with the Plate I don't Aerith specifically knew the plate was going to drop beforehand, I feel like it was more the Planet told her something big/bad was going to happen, like say it told Aerith a bunch of souls were going to return to the Planet really soon, and as soon as Aerith heard the plan from Corneo, she simply put two and two together. Likewise with her death Aerith, I don't think Aerith will specifically be aware that she will/has to die, but more she becomes aware that she needs to go to The Forgotten capital and/or her state of being will dramatically change, but she won't understand/be aware that it means she is going to die until she is actually killed.

And the reply I would give to that is, The visions given to the characters were images, they weren't feelings. If it all translates the same thing and these things are given from the fates as it dies, its safe to assume Sephiroth and Aerith had all the same info.

Consider the conversation Sephiroth has with Cloud at the end. Consider all the details given about sephiroth. i doubt sephiroth is doing all this based on a feeling rather than having actual knowledge of knowing that he failed.
You might even look into the movie Avengers: End Game. Thanos see's himself die. He doesn't feel it, he knows he dies, but he also knows he succeeds. Its possible that Sephiroths and/or Jenova fail and he see's his own death. its no question to me Aerith was able to see the events given to her.
The fact that pieces of that knowledge being taken away would suggest that at some point Aerith knew everything that happened in the original game. Anytime she tried to interfere or in that scene in her room at the shinra building, share information with the party, the fates would intervene.

 

[LNK]

If you read each section in kind from the original post from dbclick and then watch the videos you see how convincing the argument is that Aerith knows everything that happens from the OG. The interactions with the other characters puts Aerith in "the know" with them. She is so familiar with Tifa when they first meet without ever talking before. She knows things about sephiroth, she recognizes Jenova, The whole conversation with Cloud in the dream sequence (if you unlock it) provides information that suggests she knows up to the point of her death what happens.
That's all this post was about and why dbclick wrote it up.

There is a convincing argument that Aerith knows everything that happens in the OG (people have brought it up on here), but there's also a convincing argument that she doesn't (which some of us have brought it up as well).

At this point in time, none of us can truly say though.

 

[Theozilla]

And the reply I would give to that is, The visions given to the characters were images, they weren't feelings. If it all translates the same thing and these things are given from the fates as it dies, its safe to assume Sephiroth and Aerith had all the same info.

Consider the conversation Sephiroth has with Cloud at the end. Consider all the details given about sephiroth. i doubt sephiroth is doing all this based on a feeling rather than having actual knowledge of knowing that he failed.
You might even look into the movie Avengers: End Game. Thanos see's himself die. He doesn't feel it, he knows he dies, but he also knows he succeeds. Its possible that Sephiroths and/or Jenova fail and he see's his own death. its no question to me Aerith was able to see the events given to her.
The fact that pieces of that knowledge being taken away would suggest that at some point Aerith knew everything that happened in the original game. Anytime she tried to interfere or in that scene in her room at the shinra building, share information with the party, the fates would intervene.

The visions the characters receive during the chapter 18 boss fight are deliberately obscured and taken out of context. Aside from understanding that a meteor was coming in some respect and that Red XIII was running through a wasteland, none of the characters understood anything else from the visions (like the pond vision deliberately "whites-out" Cloud and Aerith's figures, they aren't comprehending what they are seeing).
And I am not talking about feelings either. Outside of the Chapter 18 fight no one else gets visions aside from Cloud, who again is shown not understanding them. I think Aerith and Sephiroth definitely have a greater understanding and knowledge of how their world works, but none of what I experienced in the Remake convinced me that the two have (or had) specific knowledge of the future.
And like Pandemonium says, until the next installment comes out (or maybe clarification from the Ultimania/interviews), we won't know for sure who's interpretation is more accurate until then.

 

[LNK]

yeah thats something that supports dbclicks review of events. She does act like an entirely different person. She does at some point can't answer questions, but thats only after they go through the portal. its boundless freedom. She cant know what will happen at this point, but she seems to know a lot about Sephiroth.
Cloud got some earlier from Sephiroth. One of them was given to him from Aerith, most likely when she touched him numerous times. One of them being when the materia Holy dropped after Aerith died. That is solid evidence enough to assume Aerith knew that would happen to her. at least up to the point of her death.

The other thing that happens is she gives Red some insight into some of the knowledge she has. Red shares some of that info as they are fighting the fate. The party, as they are killing parts of the fate, receives tiny clips of events of the first game.

At the end of the game its clear its going to be vastly different from the original. No one knows what will happen next, but Aerith might be a medium the other characters lean to for any information. The devs might deflect most of the other characters questions with, "I don't know the future now is unwritten." As if to say the events of the OG happened but not in this current timeline. A clean slate for the new game. This isn't necessarily evidence to Aerith knowing everything as written in the previous paragraphs but it did make me think thats how the direction they wanted to take with the remake.

There were instances before walking through the portal, where she didn't have answers either.

The vision of Holy dropping could also just be showing them that Holy would need to be used. The fact that WE know that she died around that time in the OG, doesn't mean the characters know that is coming.

They did receive visions, but they are all vague visions of the future. In the game, they might not know the context of those visions.

How is it clear at the end of the game, that the next part will be vastly different from the original?

Edit: Also, if any of them knew Aerith was going to die, I would think someone would've said something

 

[LNK]

The visions the characters receive during the chapter 18 boss fight are deliberately obscured and taken out of context. Aside from understanding that a meteor was coming in some respect and that Red XIII was running through a wasteland, none of the characters understood anything else from the visions (like the pond vision deliberately "whites-out" Cloud and Aerith's figures, they aren't comprehending what they are seeing).
And I am not talking about feelings either. Outside of the Chapter 18 fight no one else gets visions aside from Cloud, who again is shown not understanding them. I think Aerith and Sephiroth definitely have a greater understanding and knowledge of how their world works, but none of what I experienced in the Remake convinced me that the two have (or had) specific knowledge of the future.
And like Pandemonium says, until the next installment comes out (or maybe clarification from the Ultimania/interviews), we won't know for sure who's interpretation is more accurate until then.

Lol you beat me to it!

 

[FalloutCreation]

Lol you beat me to it!

Yeah i totally get what you are saying. For sure there is a level of understanding that needs to be setup before grasping the concepts of this first game.
I would suggest watching

Easy Allies podcast. They touch on everything we've been taking about.
I do agree that the visions were pretty vague and from the perspective of Cloud and crew, aside from Aerith. But from the perspective of both OG vets and new players experiencing Remake for the first time, its obvious Aerith and Sephiroth know more than they are telling. That should be obvious. Sure we don't know how much they know, but its safe to assume they know enough that something is not right and it has to change or we have to do something. (Aerith commenting on Sephiroth saying, "you're wrong." as if to say he isn't suppose to be here.)

When Sephiroth gives the line in the edge of creation he says, "You have 7 seconds" or something to do with 7 seconds. Thats not just a call back to the original game, (if you look at time i took Sephiroth, to stab Aerith) its also a sign that, Sephiroth knows this happened. He should know this happened because the Sephiroth we got is the one from Advent Children. Its the Sephiroth from the future. He went back in time to change things in the story.
Thats why the whispers of fate are trying to maintain the timeline. Because sephiroth has caused a butterfly effect and is messing all this shit up. I respect that everyone has a different opinion and the default is to say, "Well we will just wait for the game to come out." Most definitely, won't know for sure until they finish the next couple games. But go watch this podcast. I have a very good feeling about the current game and was is being described to us about Aerith knowing and Sephiroth knowing.
Call it my 20+ years of writing intuition. But I maybe wrong and I'm totally fine with that. If it comes out differently than I expect. But I do have a strong feeling about it.

 

[FalloutCreation]

In fact i strongly suggest you watch the video because when you read something, the only thing you can go on is your own interpretation of the words. Unless you are really listening to what is being said. I've seen a lot of conversation online, text only, where it comes out more of an argument of words, but no one is listening to each other.
If you hear their voices I can promise you what I'm saying will make more sense.

 

[billy22]

A lot of these are actually weak reasons. But sure, it's possible she knows the future. Or at least, some details about it. I doubt she knows everything.

God I hate time travel

 

[FalloutCreation]

A lot of these are actually weak reasons. But sure, it's possible she knows the future. Or at least, some details about it. I doubt she knows everything.

God I hate time travel

watch the video. you might still be on level 1 or level 2 of understanding this. When you hit level 3 it really gets interesting. What I will say is remove all concepts you have of time. Time does not exist. There is something that happens in the game that transcends time. And I'm not going to explain it because its best said in the video.

 

[billy22]

watch the video. you might still be on level 1 or level 2 of understanding this. When you hit level 3 it really gets interesting. What I will say is remove all concepts you have of time. Time does not exist. There is something that happens in the game that transcends time. And I'm not going to explain it because its best said in the video.

I watched that full video the other day.

 

[FalloutCreation]

Aerith acted very familiar with Tifa even in the OG, that's just part of Aerith's personality.
As for her behavior with the plate this is what my interpretation/understanding of what that stuff was.

I don't agree with it, but I still again, I acknowledge that you have a different opinion about it.

 

[Theozilla]

Yeah i totally get what you are saying. For sure there is a level of understanding that needs to be setup before grasping the concepts of this first game.
I would suggest watching

Easy Allies podcast. They touch on everything we've been taking about.
I do agree that the visions were pretty vague and from the perspective of Cloud and crew, aside from Aerith. But from the perspective of both OG vets and new players experiencing Remake for the first time, its obvious Aerith and Sephiroth know more than they are telling. That should be obvious. Sure we don't know how much they know, but its safe to assume they know enough that something is not right and it has to change or we have to do something. (Aerith commenting on Sephiroth saying, "you're wrong." as if to say he isn't suppose to be here.)

When Sephiroth gives the line in the edge of creation he says, "You have 7 seconds" or something to do with 7 seconds. Thats not just a call back to the original game, (if you look at time i took Sephiroth, to stab Aerith) its also a sign that, Sephiroth knows this happened. He should know this happened because the Sephiroth we got is the one from Advent Children. Its the Sephiroth from the future. He went back in time to change things in the story.
Thats why the whispers of fate are trying to maintain the timeline. Because sephiroth has caused a butterfly effect and is messing all this shit up. I respect that everyone has a different opinion and the default is to say, "Well we will just wait for the game to come out." Most definitely, won't know for sure until they finish the next couple games. But go watch this podcast. I have a very good feeling about the current game and was is being described to us about Aerith knowing and Sephiroth knowing.
Call it my 20+ years of writing intuition. But I maybe wrong and I'm totally fine with that. If it comes out differently than I expect. But I do have a strong feeling about it.

I have already watched that video too, and I still don't agree with the idea that anyone (besides the Whispers) is time traveling or knows the future beyond vague premonitions. And I certainly don't think the Sephiroth in Chapter 18 is him from post-Advent Children or his memories. And the what the "seven seconds" line is referring to is already revealed in the game's own log.

And Aerith's "you're wrong statement can be interpreted so many different ways. Personally, I've interpreted it as Aerith recognizing how Sephiroth/Jenova is an infection to the Planet and inherently bad for it.

 

[FalloutCreation]

yeah these are big theories being thrown lately. I appreciate you bringing that image into the thread because it says the 7 seconds he was referring to was the end of the game. So thinking about it the Sephiroth we got saying this to Cloud at the end in the edge of creation was showing Cloud this happening in the Cosmo Theater in the Shinra building right?
We see the Cetra, we see Shinra's plan to the promise land and all that. They also see a meteor right? But Barret and Tifa are not really there for the latter half when Midgar is being torn apart. They phase out like part of the theater just like the other holograms. This is confirmed that they were not actually there seeing that, only cloud because the children in the video that walk through the characters also do the same visual animation, right?

So having established that, Sephiroth has to be the one Showing Cloud more of this messed up future, where meteor hits. So that would me Sephiroth knows what is going to happen at the end of the original game. He knows because he is showing it to Cloud.
The sephiroth you get throughout most of the game is very preachy and vague. And only shares blips. Because he is trying to manipulate Cloud. BUT the Sephiroth we get at the edge of creation is very very different. He speaks very plainly. He even invites Cloud to join him to defeat Destiny. This Sephiorth resembles our Advent Children Seph right after you beat the whispers. Now you can right it off as an easter egg, but this feels too much like a Sephiroth that is from that future of the Advent Children movie. Post OG. He already knows what happens to the planet at that moment.
So again I'll repeat it, what does he say to Cloud. Basically he is saying you have 7 seconds before this meteor hits, what are you going to do?"

Obviously we see in Holy, then the lifestream, and then Aerith. Its as if they all joined in to save the planet.

What Max describes as level 4 goes even further than that. I kinda touched on it with some time travel possibilities, but for me I'm on board so far with how Sephiroth and Aerith know the events of the original game. Sure Aerith is familiar with the characters, and sure they added depth to what those characters acted like in the original, but don't you see? She isn't just acting like she would normally be like, she is acting in an odd way as well. You must feel it with her. She knows more than she is telling. The only time she didn't know what was going to happen was the events of the Remake that were not in the original game. Specifically noted near the end and voiced by her.

 

[LNK]

I have already watched that video too, and I still don't agree with the idea that anyone (besides the Whispers) is time traveling or knows the future beyond vague premonitions. And I certainly don't think the Sephiroth in Chapter 18 is him from post-Advent Children or his memories. And the what the "seven seconds" line is referring to is already revealed in the game's own log.
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And Aerith's "you're wrong statement can be interpreted so many different ways. Personally, I've interpreted it as Aerith recognizing how Sephiroth/Jenova is an infection to the Planet and inherently bad for it.

I was just about to reference that picture lol.

 

[Theozilla]

yeah these are big theories being thrown lately. I appreciate you bringing that image into the thread because it says the 7 seconds he was referring to was the end of the game. So thinking about it the Sephiroth we got saying this to Cloud at the end in the edge of creation was showing Cloud this happening in the Cosmo Theater in the Shinra building right?
We see the Cetra, we see Shinra's plan to the promise land and all that. They also see a meteor right? But Barret and Tifa are not really there for the latter half when Midgar is being torn apart. They phase out like part of the theater just like the other holograms. This is confirmed that they were not actually there seeing that, only cloud because the children in the video that walk through the characters also do the same visual animation, right?

So having established that, Sephiroth has to be the one Showing Cloud more of this messed up future, where meteor hits. So that would me Sephiroth knows what is going to happen at the end of the original game. He knows because he is showing it to Cloud.
The sephiroth you get throughout most of the game is very preachy and vague. And only shares blips. Because he is trying to manipulate Cloud. BUT the Sephiroth we get at the edge of creation is very very different. He speaks very plainly. He even invites Cloud to join him to defeat Destiny. This Sephiorth resembles our Advent Children Seph right after you beat the whispers. Now you can right it off as an easter egg, but this feels too much like a Sephiroth that is from that future of the Advent Children movie. Post OG. He already knows what happens to the planet at that moment.
So again I'll repeat it, what does he say to Cloud. Basically he is saying you have 7 seconds before this meteor hits, what are you going to do?"

Obviously we see in Holy, then the lifestream, and then Aerith. Its as if they all joined in to save the planet.

What Max describes as level 4 goes even further than that. I kinda touched on it with some time travel possibilities, but for me I'm on board so far with how Sephiroth and Aerith know the events of the original game. Sure Aerith is familiar with the characters, and sure they added depth to what those characters acted like in the original, but don't you see? She isn't just acting like she would normally be like, she is acting in an odd way as well. You must feel it with her. She knows more than she is telling. The only time she didn't know what was going to happen was the events of the Remake that were not in the original game. Specifically noted near the end and voiced by her.

Both Barret and Tifa saw the Meteor descending on Midgar in the Cosmo Theater, they probably didn't see themselves getting "killed", but they definitely were there for the rest of the sequence, Tifa asks what that last bit was and Barret even comments afterwards that the meteor scene wasn't appropriate for children.
And I don't know if "the planet's demise" is specifically referring to Meteor hitting the planet or not (or perhaps the its meant to be the end of the Planet's natural lifespan like in DoC with Omega) as Meteor isn't supposed to destroy the planet (as a celestial body), it's just supposed to wound it in order for the Lifestream to congregate in one spot so Sephiroth can absorb it.
And I have already explained how I am interpreting Sephiroth and Aerith's greater knowledge/awareness, and I do not think they are indicating knowledge of the future events or time travel from them. Unless the the next Remake installment (or Ultimania/interviews) says otherwise, that's how am going to be interpreting the this first part.

 

[LNK]

Yeah i totally get what you are saying. For sure there is a level of understanding that needs to be setup before grasping the concepts of this first game.
I would suggest watching

Easy Allies podcast. They touch on everything we've been taking about.
I do agree that the visions were pretty vague and from the perspective of Cloud and crew, aside from Aerith. But from the perspective of both OG vets and new players experiencing Remake for the first time, its obvious Aerith and Sephiroth know more than they are telling. That should be obvious. Sure we don't know how much they know, but its safe to assume they know enough that something is not right and it has to change or we have to do something. (Aerith commenting on Sephiroth saying, "you're wrong." as if to say he isn't suppose to be here.)

When Sephiroth gives the line in the edge of creation he says, "You have 7 seconds" or something to do with 7 seconds. Thats not just a call back to the original game, (if you look at time i took Sephiroth, to stab Aerith) its also a sign that, Sephiroth knows this happened. He should know this happened because the Sephiroth we got is the one from Advent Children. Its the Sephiroth from the future. He went back in time to change things in the story.
Thats why the whispers of fate are trying to maintain the timeline. Because sephiroth has caused a butterfly effect and is messing all this shit up. I respect that everyone has a different opinion and the default is to say, "Well we will just wait for the game to come out." Most definitely, won't know for sure until they finish the next couple games. But go watch this podcast. I have a very good feeling about the current game and was is being described to us about Aerith knowing and Sephiroth knowing.
Call it my 20+ years of writing intuition. But I maybe wrong and I'm totally fine with that. If it comes out differently than I expect. But I do have a strong feeling about it.

I've seen most of that video. While interesting, I still disagree about anyone time traveling (besides the whispers)

We are in agreement that Sephiroth and Aerith know more, than what their characters did in the OG (SE said this as well)

Theozilla already posted what I was going to about the seven seconds theory, and Sephiroth knowing that he kills Aerith.
I don't think it's the Sephiroth from AC either. I think it's still the same Sephiroth from the Remakes current timeline, who just gained some vague insight to the future via the Whispers/Lifestream. That's not to say that he isn't though. None of us know for sure right now.

That's totally fine if you have a really good feeling about about what you've said. I also have a really good feeling about what I've said. I'm on the side of not knowing for sure, until more info (or the next game) comes out though.

 

[FalloutCreation]

Both Barret and Tifa saw the Meteor descending on Midgar in the Cosmo Theater, they probably didn't see themselves getting "killed", but they definitely were there for the rest of the sequence, Tifa asks what that last bit was and Barret even comments afterwards that the meteor scene wasn't appropriate for children.
And I don't know if "the planet's demise" is specifically referring to Meteor hitting the planet or not (or perhaps the its meant to be the end of the Planet's natural lifespan like in DoC with Omega) as Meteor isn't supposed to destroy the planet (as a celestial body), it's just supposed to wound it in order for the Lifestream to congregate in one spot so Sephiroth can absorb it.
And I have already explained how I am interpreting Sephiroth and Aerith's greater knowledge/awareness, and I do not think they are indicating knowledge of the future or time travel from them. Unless the the next Remake installment (or Ultimania/interviews) says otherwise, that's how am going to be interpreting the this first part.

Yeah I think we all have to come to our own conclusion and how to interpret the story. I don't think everyone would be on board with the same ideas, but I do like the fact that these discussions take place. I mean I wouldn't be talking about it on forums or reddit if I didn't love what they did with the game.
However there was one event that can get convoluted and that is the different timelines with Zack. And they make it obvious by showing 2 different Stamps. They kept referring to stamp through the game constantly and then at the end blatantly show it as Zack carries cloud at the end. You also see Aerith and Zack passing each other at that exact same moment, but apparently in another timeline.
So the event that Zack sees with the whisperers in the shape of a giant bubble is essentially where Aerith and Cloud and party go into to fight the final battle, right?
But if that is happening in the future at the end of Midgar, and Zack is arriving at Midgar at the end of this journey, how would he see that portal. That's where we get into singularity theory. Where essentially time does not exist and all things happen at once. But because the ending of the game is open ended we can't know what will happen in future games, except for the fact that someone in this timeline changed something. All because you could see two different stamps in each timeline. Its not the same timeline. there is some back to the future alternate timeline stuff happening.

 

[Theozilla]

Yeah I think we all have to come to our own conclusion and how to interpret the story. I don't think everyone would be on board with the same ideas, but I do like the fact that these discussions take place. I mean I wouldn't be talking about it on forums or reddit if I didn't love what they did with the game.
However there was one event that can get convoluted and that is the different timelines with Zack. And they make it obvious by showing 2 different Stamps. They kept referring to stamp through the game constantly and then at the end blatantly show it as Zack carries cloud at the end. You also see Aerith and Zack passing each other at that exact same moment, but apparently in another timeline.
So the event that Zack sees with the whisperers in the shape of a giant bubble is essentially where Aerith and Cloud and party go into to fight the final battle, right?
But if that is happening in the future at the end of Midgar, and Zack is arriving at Midgar at the end of this journey, how would he see that portal. That's where we get into singularity theory. Where essentially time does not exist and all things happen at once. But because the ending of the game is open ended we can't know what will happen in future games, except for the fact that someone in this timeline changed something. All because you could see two different stamps in each timeline. Its not the same timeline. there is some back to the future alternate timeline stuff happening.

Yes, Zack sees the Whisper dome explode because it's a Singularity, no argument there. I don't agree that Zack is alive or that another timeline was a created for him.
I already discussed this in the chapter 18 thread (you should go there if you want to discuss more ending theories) but I don't think the different Stamps are meant to indicate that Zack is in an alternate timeline, I think it's largely there for visual symbolic purposes to hint at how Zack is the "original" Stamp to Cloud (since Cloud get associated with Stamp a lot in the Remake). I think the ending cutscenes with Zack are just meant to be the Remake's way of combining the Crisis Core and OG depictions of Zack's death, so that Zack still has his last stand battle but he also gets fatally shot from behind while carrying Cloud (with the last Remake flashback cutting right before that occurs).
So no, I don't even agree that something or someone as changed anything in any timeline by the end of the Remake.

 

[LNK]

yeah these are big theories being thrown lately. I appreciate you bringing that image into the thread because it says the 7 seconds he was referring to was the end of the game. So thinking about it the Sephiroth we got saying this to Cloud at the end in the edge of creation was showing Cloud this happening in the Cosmo Theater in the Shinra building right?
We see the Cetra, we see Shinra's plan to the promise land and all that. They also see a meteor right? But Barret and Tifa are not really there for the latter half when Midgar is being torn apart. They phase out like part of the theater just like the other holograms. This is confirmed that they were not actually there seeing that, only cloud because the children in the video that walk through the characters also do the same visual animation, right?

So having established that, Sephiroth has to be the one Showing Cloud more of this messed up future, where meteor hits. So that would me Sephiroth knows what is going to happen at the end of the original game. He knows because he is showing it to Cloud.
The sephiroth you get throughout most of the game is very preachy and vague. And only shares blips. Because he is trying to manipulate Cloud. BUT the Sephiroth we get at the edge of creation is very very different. He speaks very plainly. He even invites Cloud to join him to defeat Destiny. This Sephiorth resembles our Advent Children Seph right after you beat the whispers. Now you can right it off as an easter egg, but this feels too much like a Sephiroth that is from that future of the Advent Children movie. Post OG. He already knows what happens to the planet at that moment.
So again I'll repeat it, what does he say to Cloud. Basically he is saying you have 7 seconds before this meteor hits, what are you going to do?"

Obviously we see in Holy, then the lifestream, and then Aerith. Its as if they all joined in to save the planet.

What Max describes as level 4 goes even further than that. I kinda touched on it with some time travel possibilities, but for me I'm on board so far with how Sephiroth and Aerith know the events of the original game. Sure Aerith is familiar with the characters, and sure they added depth to what those characters acted like in the original, but don't you see? She isn't just acting like she would normally be like, she is acting in an odd way as well. You must feel it with her. She knows more than she is telling. The only time she didn't know what was going to happen was the events of the Remake that were not in the original game. Specifically noted near the end and voiced by her.

How does Sephiroth showing meteor, mean he kn

yeah these are big theories being thrown lately. I appreciate you bringing that image into the thread because it says the 7 seconds he was referring to was the end of the game. So thinking about it the Sephiroth we got saying this to Cloud at the end in the edge of creation was showing Cloud this happening in the Cosmo Theater in the Shinra building right?
We see the Cetra, we see Shinra's plan to the promise land and all that. They also see a meteor right? But Barret and Tifa are not really there for the latter half when Midgar is being torn apart. They phase out like part of the theater just like the other holograms. This is confirmed that they were not actually there seeing that, only cloud because the children in the video that walk through the characters also do the same visual animation, right?

So having established that, Sephiroth has to be the one Showing Cloud more of this messed up future, where meteor hits. So that would me Sephiroth knows what is going to happen at the end of the original game. He knows because he is showing it to Cloud.
The sephiroth you get throughout most of the game is very preachy and vague. And only shares blips. Because he is trying to manipulate Cloud. BUT the Sephiroth we get at the edge of creation is very very different. He speaks very plainly. He even invites Cloud to join him to defeat Destiny. This Sephiorth resembles our Advent Children Seph right after you beat the whispers. Now you can right it off as an easter egg, but this feels too much like a Sephiroth that is from that future of the Advent Children movie. Post OG. He already knows what happens to the planet at that moment.
So again I'll repeat it, what does he say to Cloud. Basically he is saying you have 7 seconds before this meteor hits, what are you going to do?"

Obviously we see in Holy, then the lifestream, and then Aerith. Its as if they all joined in to save the planet.

What Max describes as level 4 goes even further than that. I kinda touched on it with some time travel possibilities, but for me I'm on board so far with how Sephiroth and Aerith know the events of the original game. Sure Aerith is familiar with the characters, and sure they added depth to what those characters acted like in the original, but don't you see? She isn't just acting like she would normally be like, she is acting in an odd way as well. You must feel it with her. She knows more than she is telling. The only time she didn't know what was going to happen was the events of the Remake that were not in the original game. Specifically noted near the end and voiced by her.

Sephiroth could also just be showing Cloud Meteor, because that is what is going to happen in the future. It doesn't necessarily mean he knows it happened in the OG (which BTW, SE has said this game is separate from the OG/Compilation. They are just using characters/elements/plot points, to tell a new FF7 story) Maybe the whispers showed him the visions of meteor?

How do we even know that was Holy that was bouncing in the vision? If you look at the game, as someone brand new to ff7, it just looks like a regular green materia. We only think it's holy, because we played the OG. So far, there has been no reference of Holy, in the remake.

I agree that Aerith knows more than what she is telling, especially towards the end of the game. But, that doesn't mean she knows she is going to die, or that she has to summon Holy to combat meteor. I think she just knows Sephiroth is bad, and something needs to be done (which is what she said in ch 18)

 

[Theozilla]

Sephiroth could also just be showing Cloud Meteor, because that is what is going to happen in the future. It doesn't necessarily mean he knows it happened in the OG (which BTW, SE has said this game is separate from the OG/Compilation. They are just using characters/elements/plot points, to tell a new FF7 story) Maybe the whispers showed him the visions of meteor?

Actually Pan, the Compilation is still the basis of the Remake and going forwards. TresDias put it best

To expand on what @oty said, what we know for certain at the moment is that the original game and the remake exist in separate universes. Beyond that, it seems some version of the Compilation is supposed to apply to both.

We still have to wait for more details to see where all it's going to go, but they have stressed that "Advent Children is at the core of Final Fantasy VII Remake" (around the 18:00-minute mark) and "all of the lore from the works created after the original game, the Compilation of Final Fantasy 7, that’s all very much in the base of the canon for the remake, and going forward it will be too."

 

[LNK]

Yeah I think we all have to come to our own conclusion and how to interpret the story. I don't think everyone would be on board with the same ideas, but I do like the fact that these discussions take place. I mean I wouldn't be talking about it on forums or reddit if I didn't love what they did with the game.
However there was one event that can get convoluted and that is the different timelines with Zack. And they make it obvious by showing 2 different Stamps. They kept referring to stamp through the game constantly and then at the end blatantly show it as Zack carries cloud at the end. You also see Aerith and Zack passing each other at that exact same moment, but apparently in another timeline.
So the event that Zack sees with the whisperers in the shape of a giant bubble is essentially where Aerith and Cloud and party go into to fight the final battle, right?
But if that is happening in the future at the end of Midgar, and Zack is arriving at Midgar at the end of this journey, how would he see that portal. That's where we get into singularity theory. Where essentially time does not exist and all things happen at once. But because the ending of the game is open ended we can't know what will happen in future games, except for the fact that someone in this timeline changed something. All because you could see two different stamps in each timeline. Its not the same timeline. there is some back to the future alternate timeline stuff happening.

I agree that the ending with Zack looks convoluted. I think SE did that on purpose so not even OG fans will know what is going to happen next. With that said, I still think it was just a flashback scene, to set up more Zack flashback scenes for part 2. SE said they would not be changing main plot points. Zack's death is a big part of who Cloud has become. Unless SE is going back on what they said, I don't think Zack is alive.

 

[LNK]

Actually Pan, the Compilation is still the basis of the Remake and going forwards. TresDias put it best

Tres, said the same thing to me about it being the basis but from what I understood of SE, is the remake is totally separate from the OG/compilation. It's like Rob Zombie's Halloween and the OG. While Rob Zombie used the same core elements of the OG, it is it's own movie. They are not connected.

 

[Theozilla]

Tres, said the same thing to me about it being the basis but from what I understood of SE, is the remake is totally separate from the OG/compilation. It's like Rob Zombie's Halloween and the OG. While Rob Zombie used the same core elements of the OG, it is it's own movie. They are not connected.

I mean that’s not what it sounds like Kitase (and thus SE) is saying. From my understanding the Remake and OG are separate entities yes, but both are compatible/canon with the Compilation itself.

Like how the Shōwa and Heisei era Godzilla films are both canon to the 1954 Godzilla film but not to each other.

 

[FalloutCreation]

How does Sephiroth showing meteor, mean he kn


Sephiroth could also just be showing Cloud Meteor, because that is what is going to happen in the future. It doesn't necessarily mean he knows it happened in the OG (which BTW, SE has said this game is separate from the OG/Compilation. They are just using characters/elements/plot points, to tell a new FF7 story) Maybe the whispers showed him the visions of meteor?

How do we even know that was Holy that was bouncing in the vision? If you look at the game, as someone brand new to ff7, it just looks like a regular green materia. We only think it's holy, because we played the OG. So far, there has been no reference of Holy, in the remake.

I agree that Aerith knows more than what she is telling, especially towards the end of the game. But, that doesn't mean she knows she is going to die, or that she has to summon Holy to combat meteor. I think she just knows Sephiroth is bad, and something needs to be done (which is what she said in ch 18)

that is an interesting thing about Holy. So question, did you see in I think it was chapter 5 or 6 where cloud meets aerith at the church. And she shows him her Materia. But for some reason I didn't see anything in her hair where she put it in the original.