The "Which FF military force would win in a war" poll idea.

[Roger]

See what I mean?

Both armies primary weapinry is swords and we are talking taking 8 years to take over one continent versus taking two weeks if that to defeat every other major power in their actual entire world, period.

 

[Splintered]

Shinra's capacity is inconsistent?

They pretty much curbstomped Corel and Sephiroth alone razed Nibelheim to the ground in a matter of hours without breaking a sweat. It could be Wutai was a formidable enemy, that or the nature of the conflict wasn't suppose to destroy, just to suppress. Military suppression is only a tool for capitalistic dominance, although that's probably just reaching.

 

[Cat Rage Room]

Both armies primary weapinry is swords and we are talking taking 8 years to take over one continent versus taking two weeks if that to defeat every other major power in their actual entire world, period.

Uh, yes? Replace Shinra with the German Wehrmacht and Baron with Alexander the Great, both real world examples of what kind of power you're talking about and the Wehrmacht would still win. One took over a continent in about 8 years and one took over the entire civilized world.

That's like saying America couldn't beat the Mongols because the Mongols took over all of Asia and we didn't 'win' the Vietnam War. Do you realize what you're saying?

Also, keep in mind the Palamecian Army and Baron aren't exactly on the same page, the Palamecian Army had tons of demons in its ranks in addition to human soldiers. Hell, they may have had more demons than anything.

 

[Roger]

Uh, yes? Replace Shinra with the German Wehrmacht and Baron with Alexander the Great, both real world examples of what kind of power you're talking about and the Wehrmacht would still win. One took over a continent in about 8 years and one took over the entire civilized world.

That's like saying America couldn't beat the Mongols because the Mongols took over all of Asia and we didn't 'win' the Vietnam War. Do you realize what you're saying?

Yes. I don't feel you appreciate how big the difference between how quicly the two examples were able to destroy everything that wasn't theirs in their planet and I do not feel the technological difference is as huge as current day America and the freaking Mongols.

Again, Shinra main fighting force is guys that are really good at swinging swords. Same as all the others.

Also, keep in mind the Palamecian Army and Baron aren't exactly on the same page, the Palamecian Army had tons of demons in its ranks in addition to human soldiers. Hell, they may have had more demons than anything.

Baron had plenty of Demons too at the height of their strength too. And they had Golbez as their appointed captain of the Red Wings.

 

[Cat Rage Room]

Again, Shinra main fighting force is guys that are really good at swinging swords. Same as all the others.

Actually, Shinra's main fighting force is the Shinra Army, who are really good at automatic weapons. SOLDIER does use swords, but they're so fucking stronger than the average person their total manning levels is only a fraction of the main infantry and is still more powerful than them, the machine gun toting hordes, by leaps and bounds. Saying that SOLDIER uses swords and the Baron army uses swords so they're equal is faulty logic. SOLDIER is fucking ridiculous.

Don't forget the leagues of automatons, helicopters, heavy artillery, universal magic access for all personnel, air force, naval power, and various superweaons that Shinra had at their disposal. And the fact that not even Baron had what Shinra has, total and complete power projection. Shinra is effectively a fantasy inspired modern army.

 

[Roger]

Actually, Shinra's main fighting force is the Shinra Army, who are really good at automatic weapons. SOLDIER does use swords, but they're so fucking stronger than the average person their total manning levels is only a fraction of the main infantry and is still more powerful than them, the machine gun toting hordes, by leaps and bounds. Saying that SOLDIER uses swords and the Baron army uses swords so they're equal is faulty logic. SOLDIER is fucking ridiculous.

Don't forget the leagues of automatons, helicopters, heavy artillery, air force, naval power, and various superweaons that Shinra had at their disposal. And the fact that not even Baron had what Shinra has, total and complete power projection. Shinra is effectively a fantasy inspired modern army.

Rufus needed to go to Cid to ask if he could borrow the Tiny Bronco so he can chase Sephiroth. He had to take a boat to get there from the Junon airport cause their one airship and their Gelnika was in disrepair. Maybe you're thinking of Deepgrounds military might. And I didn't say equal. But comparing it to the difference between AMERICA and the Mongols is ****ing crazy.

 

[Cat Rage Room]

Rufus needed to go to Cid to ask if he could borrow the Tiny Bronco so he can chase Sephiroth. He had to take a boat to get there from the Junon airport cause their one airship and their Gelnika was in disrepair. Maybe you're thinking of Deepgrounds military might. And I didn't say equal. But comparing it to the difference between AMERICA and the Mongols is ****ing crazy.

I will give it to you that aspect of the narrative has always been pretty weird to me and a lot of other people since other times Shinra has been shown to have their airforce shit pretty tight. Besides that though, the other points I listed have always been pretty consistent.

I used the America/Mongols comparison as a loose analogy because I wasn't agreeing with your logic of Baron and Shinra being comparable since one took over their world in a short amount of time and the other took a longer time taking over theirs. You're making a comparison of two totally different worlds and situations. It's too basic.

 

[Ghost X]

I realise now that perhaps it would be better to have 16 or 32 groups, since they're divisible by 2 all the way down. Unless anyone has other suggestions. Otherwise, feel free to think of any group (Tycoon? =p) or think of which of them to place on the cutting room floor. I have merged Shinra Inc with Deepground, and added Caius's Army and the Aegyl.

 

[The Twilight Mexican]

The Tiny Bronco thing is super weird. Yes, the airship was under repair, but they had multiple Gelnikas.

I know it was just an excuse to introduce Cid. But damn.

 

[Ghost X]

I've added these to make up numbers:

FFII: Wild Rose Rebellion.
FFVII: Wutai.
FFVI: AVALANCHE Ravens (the first AVALANCHE group).
FFXI: Bastokan Military.
FFXI: San d'Oria Military.
FFXI: Windurstian Military.

We now have 32 teams. Feel free to critique these additions if you feel necessary.

 

[Ghost X]

Having not received any critique, I guess I shall go straight into it. A seed system might have been better, but I have simply used RANDOM.ORG's list randomizer. There are three instances below where groups from the same universe clash, but I swear I have not rigged anything .

I will put this up for critique again, if people would prefer a seeded system for example. If that's the case, feel free to make recommendations, if a seeded list randomising generator exists =p.

I'll then start making polled threads for this.

FIRST ROUND

1. FFVII: AVALANCHE Ravens VS FFVII: Shinra Inc.
2. FFII: Wild Rose Rebellion VS FFIX: Lindblum.
3. FFXII: The Resistance VS FFX: Al Bhed.
4. FFXII-RW: The Aegyl VS FFVIII: Esthar.
5. FFVII: THE WRO VS FFXIII: PSICOM.
6. FFVIII: Galbadia VS FFXIII-2: Caius's Army.
7. FFVIII: SeeD VS FFT: Knights Templar.
8. FFIX: Cleyra VS FFIX: Burmecia.
9. FFII: The Palamecian Empire VS FFXIII: Guardian Corps.
10. FFIV: The Baron Kingdom VS FFVI: The Gestahl Empire.
11. FFX: Yevonites VS FFIV: The Dwarf Kingdom.
12. FFXII: Kingdom of Dalmasca VS FFXII: Rozarrian Empire.
13. FFT: Nanten Knights VS FFXII: Archadian Empire.
14. FFXI: San d'Oria Military VS FFVII: Wutai.
15. FFXI: Windurstian Military VS FFIX: Alexandria.
16. FFT: The Hokuten VS FFXI: Bastokan Military.

 

[The Twilight Mexican]

FFVII: AVALANCHE Ravens VS FFVII: Shinra Inc.

This competition is making all sorts of impossible, never-before-seen match-ups come to life.

 

[Ghost X]

This competition is making all sorts of impossible, never-before-seen match-ups come to life.

With so many groups from the same games, it was and will be bound to happen.

 

[Roger]

I will give it to you that aspect of the narrative has always been pretty weird to me and a lot of other people since other times Shinra has been shown to have their airforce shit pretty tight. Besides that though, the other points I listed have always been pretty consistent.

When exactly? When Rufus needed to move the people from Midgar elsewhere, nobody mentioned their large navalforce as a resource. When Genesis attacked Junon or Midgar, they didn't deploy a gigantic airforce in their defense. When they needed to take Zack down, they sent a 1000 men with guns and swords and a few helicopters. No artillery, no automatons or anything. Just guns and swords. In Before Crisis, when Shinra needs a problem taken care of, they sent in a Turk or two, or a SOLDIER or two. Sending in a couple of Turks is their most effective way of dealing with an enemy. Junon had an impressive artillery built into it along with the giant canon as showcased by the Weapon attack and they did sent that one Gelnika to bomb Banora after Zack made sure nothing got away that's as impressive as they get.

So I'm sorry, I don't see them being portrayed as having the total and complete power projection that you refer too all that consistently.

 

[Cat Rage Room]

When exactly? When Rufus needed to move the people from Midgar elsewhere, nobody mentioned their large navalforce as a resource. When Genesis attacked Junon or Midgar, they didn't deploy a gigantic airforce in their defense. When they needed to take Zack down, they sent a 1000 men with guns and swords and a few helicopters. No artillery, no automatons or anything. Just guns and swords. In Before Crisis, when Shinra needs a problem taken care of, they sent in a Turk or two, or a SOLDIER or two. Sending in a couple of Turks is their most effective way of dealing with an enemy. Junon had an impressive artillery built into it along with the giant canon as showcased by the Weapon attack and they did sent that one Gelnika to bomb Banora after Zack made sure nothing got away that's as impressive as they get.

It just seems to me that your examples are just Shinra using the amount of force that they need to, not all that they're capable of.

 

[Ghost X]

I was just thinking, due to the potential of draws happening, what should I do? Flip a coin? =p.

 

[Ghost X]

First Round Results

1. FFVII: AVALANCHE Ravens loses to FFVII: Shinra Inc.
2. FFII: Wild Rose Rebellion loses to FFIX: Lindblum.
3. FFXII: The Resistance defeats FFX: Al Bhed.
4. FFXII-RW: The Aegyl loses to FFVIII: Esthar.
5. FFVII: THE WRO loses to FFXIII: PSICOM.
6. FFVIII: Galbadia defeats FFXIII-2: Caius's Army.
7. FFVIII: SeeD defeats FFT: Knights Templar.
8. FFIX: Cleyra loses to FFIX: Burmecia.
9. FFII: The Palamecian Empire defeats FFXIII: Guardian Corps.
10. FFIV: The Baron Kingdom loses to FFVI: The Gestahl Empire.
11. FFX: Yevonites loses to FFIV: The Dwarf Kingdom.
12. FFXII: Kingdom of Dalmasca loses to FFXII: Rozarrian Empire.
13. FFT: Nanten Knights loses to FFXII: Archadian Empire.
14. FFXI: San d'Oria Military defeats FFVII: Wutai.
15. FFXI: Windurstian Military loses to FFIX: Alexandria.
16. FFT: The Hokuten defeat FFXI: Bastokan Military (decided by coin toss).

Second Round

1. FFVII Shinra Inc VS FFIX Lindblum.
2. FFXII The Resistance VS FFVIII Esthar.
3. FFXIII PSICOM VS FFVIII Galbadia.
4. FFVIII SeeD VS FFVIII Burmecia.
5. FFII Palamecian Empire VS FFVI Gestahl Empire.
6. FFIV Dwarf Kingdom VS FFXII Rozarrian Empire.
7. FFXII Archadian Empire VS FFXI San d'Oria Military.
8. FFIX Alexandria VS FFT The Hokuten.

Shall post the polls eventually =p.

 

[Ghost X]

I think time has escaped me... uh...

Second Round Results

1. FFVII Shinra Inc demolishes FFIX Lindblum.
2. FFXII The Resistance is destroyed by FFVIII Esthar.
3. FFXIII PSICOM is conquered by FFVIII Galbadia.
4. FFVIII SeeD mow down FFVIII Burmecia.
5. FFII Palamecian Empire rip apart FFVI Gestahl Empire.
6. FFIV Dwarf Kingdom dug too deep against FFXII Rozarrian Empire.
7. FFXII Archadian Empire blitzed FFXI San d'Oria Military.
8. FFIX Alexandria murderised FFT The Hokuten.

Third Round

1. FFVII Shinra Inc VS FFVIII Esthar.
2. FFVIII Galbadia VS FFVIII SeeD...
3. FFII Palamecian Empire VS FFXII Rozarrian Empire.
4. FFXII Archadian Empire VS FFIX Alexandria.

Polls shall be up shortly.

 

[Ghost X]

Third Round Results

1. FFVII Shinra Inc manages a victory over FFVIII Esthar.
2. FFVIII Galbadia is defeated... again... by FFVIII SeeD.
3. FFII Palamecian Empire is toasted by FFXIII Rozarrian Empire.
4. FFXII Archadian Empire is disappointing against FFIX Alexandria.

Fourth Round / Semi-final.

1. FFVII Shinra Inc VS FFVIII SeeD.
2. FFXII Rozarrian Empire VS FFIX Alexandria.

 

[Ghost X]

Fourth Round / Semi-final Results.

1. FFVII Shinra Inc sister rays FFVIII Seed.
2. FFXII Rozarrian Empire receives Odin to the face from FFIX Alexandria.

Final Round...

FFVII Shinra Inc VS FFIX Alexandria

 

[Ghost X]

Final Round Results

FFVII Shinra Inc defeats FFIX Alexandria

Thanks for participating, folks. I'd like to do something like this again in future, perhaps with a twist. Anyways, now I've been asked to write a report on this particular series of battles. Wish me luck! .

 

[LicoriceAllsorts]

Now we need fanart of this epic battle.

 

[Flintlock]

The report is now visible on the front page