Channy
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Things most people dont know about FF7
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Mayo Master
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Actually, it becomes a lot less obscure once you figure that memory is allocated in bytes, and 65536 corresponds to 2^16
Which is also why Vincent can do one-hit kills once you get the corresponding damage variable past that point, because the variable gets an "overflow" value.
Mayo Master
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Sorry, allow me to expand: on computer media, and video games more specifically, information is coded in binary (strings of zeros and ones). Each "0" or "1" is a bit. So each bit can take 2 possible values. A "byte" is a unit of digital information made of eight bits. In other words, it's a sequence of zeros and ones which is eight bits long. Because of that, a byte can get 2^8 (i.e., 256) possible values.
Many variables in the code of the original game of FF7 were coded with 2 bytes of memory, in other words a string of zeros and ones which is sixteen bits long. Thus the variable can get 2^16 (i.e., 65536) possible values. So if your code gives to that particular variable a value greater than 65536, then there is some kind of "error" in the code, which can create odd cases (such as Vincent one-hit kills).
I hope that's a bit clearer.
Many variables in the code of the original game of FF7 were coded with 2 bytes of memory, in other words a string of zeros and ones which is sixteen bits long. Thus the variable can get 2^16 (i.e., 65536) possible values. So if your code gives to that particular variable a value greater than 65536, then there is some kind of "error" in the code, which can create odd cases (such as Vincent one-hit kills).
I hope that's a bit clearer.
Mayo Master
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I could probably attempt a better, longer explanation, but I'm not really sure you'd be all that interested in it 
Long story short, it has to do with the way information is structured in computer programming.
At least I might have gotten points for how obscure my piece of trivia is
Long story short, it has to do with the way information is structured in computer programming.
At least I might have gotten points for how obscure my piece of trivia is
Cthulhu
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TL;DR 16 bit number, . That's why 255 is also often a magic number in a lot of FF games, it's the highest number you can express with an 8-bit number.
These numbers are often closely associated with the platform the games came out on. The NES had an 8-bit CPU, so a lot of scores and whatnot are limited to 255; you can use higher numbers, but you'll need to combine the values of two memory addresses then. or something. IDK. The SNES had a 16-bit CPU, max representable value there is 65thousand something.
The PS1 got a 32 bits CPU, but iirc the FF games still stuck with numbers below 10K on that generation, not sure if there was a specific reason. FFX was the first FF game for the PS2, which had an 128 bits CPU (or something?) and which was the first FF game that allowed you the damage limit of 9999. IIRC the PS3 and PS4 are 64 bits again, but, idk, what I know is hazy and wikipedia isn't conclusive on those (or, I can't read / don't understand these things)
. That's why 255 is also often a magic number in a lot of FF games, it's the highest number you can express with an 8-bit number.These numbers are often closely associated with the platform the games came out on. The NES had an 8-bit CPU, so a lot of scores and whatnot are limited to 255; you can use higher numbers, but you'll need to combine the values of two memory addresses then. or something. IDK. The SNES had a 16-bit CPU, max representable value there is 65thousand something.
The PS1 got a 32 bits CPU, but iirc the FF games still stuck with numbers below 10K on that generation, not sure if there was a specific reason. FFX was the first FF game for the PS2, which had an 128 bits CPU (or something?) and which was the first FF game that allowed you the damage limit of 9999. IIRC the PS3 and PS4 are 64 bits again, but, idk, what I know is hazy and wikipedia isn't conclusive on those (or, I can't read / don't understand these things)
Wolf_
Pro Adventurer
Cool find. You could play the game a million times and potentially never spot that. I imagine these two are far less obscure but.. There is a key stuck in the floorboards in mideel if you listen for a creaking sound. If you take it to the shop (weapon shop I think) there is a door. Use the key on the door and it snaps in the lock. If you talk to the owner and tell the truth he gives you a gift and tells you that the door is painted on. Second is known by most I think but if you have only completed the game once or twice you may have missed it. Near the end of the game, if you talk to Cid in the highwind a few times he tells you he saw the play loveless and describes the final scene to you.
Mayo Master
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Well, there's more where that came from.
If you wish to have some insight into the code of the original game, then from the qhimm community you can find a whole 200+ pages document about it
If you wish to have some insight into the code of the original game, then from the qhimm community you can find a whole 200+ pages document about it
SeraphSephiroth
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Fortuna Imperatrix Mundi - O Fortuna (And yes that is the actual name. Rolls right off the tongue) is the first (And last) track in Carmina Burana.
Tennyo
Higher Further Faster
There is a difference. The screen opens up just a tiny bit earlier on the greatest hits version.
Not that it's a big deal I guess but it's there.
Right when the song switches to the quick succession of notes going from high to low. That's when it happens. The original opens after that part of the song starts, the greatest hits version opens up just as it happens.
Not that it's a big deal I guess but it's there.
Right when the song switches to the quick succession of notes going from high to low. That's when it happens. The original opens after that part of the song starts, the greatest hits version opens up just as it happens.
JechtShotMK9
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Russell
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I only know a couple:
- Yuffie will say different things depending on who is leading the party. (You can wait until Cloud is missing and recruit her as Tifa or Cid.) She says "Old man" for Cid, "Spikey headed Jerk" for Cloud and "BOOBS!" for Tifa.
- Tifa says "Cloud stop being a retard." if you climb the stairs at ShinRa HQ instead of going in the front door.
- This happened:
Cloud is in a hottub with 7 guys, and his response can be "It hurts". Yeah..
Animexcel
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I played both versions when my sister's then ex-boyfriend had the black label; I had to return it and got the greatest hits and wanted to battle Safer Sephiroth again using my memory card. There I noticed the footage and the music was off sync when he started to descend into the frame.
Nanaki Skywalker
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For the longest time, I did not know the Enemy Lure Materia could be stackable up to 3 times at level 2/3. That could've saved me time during grinding for all those years.