Updating the rules

[Rumpelstiltskin]

Think all of it should be looked at again tbh.

 

[Tennyo]

Do you have anything in particular you would want to focus on?

 

[Cthulhu]

cba, I don't see the point, everyone's behaving.

 

[Tifabelle]

yeah, rules should only be clear after people have broken them.

 

[Cthulhu]

That's how laws in the real world work, .

 

[Rumpelstiltskin]

Do you have anything in particular you would want to focus on?

Let's start with the first then work on it until the last.

 

[Max Payne]

That's how laws in the real world work, .

No.

 

[Rumpelstiltskin]

I just think its rather idiotic to start playing the "make up the rules as you go along" game.

 

[Flintlock]

No.

Actually, yes. In most countries, the judiciary has some scope to interpret the law, and its interpretations then affect how future cases are handled. There have been numerous occasions when a judge's ruling on a particular case has had the incumbent government scrambling to pass a new law because they were unhappy with the outcome and are worried about future cases exploiting the new interpretation.

If you think of this site's staff as the judiciary and this site's rules as the law, then it makes sense. No matter how clear or unclear the rules are, the staff should still have leeway to use common sense when applying them. If something is ambiguous and then comes up in a dispute, the staff can rule how they see fit without having to stick to the rules by the letter, and then amend them afterwards.

 

[Max Payne]

Actually, no. Comparing running a message board to real life is silly.

This isn't a democracy, and there's no council voted in by the people.

What the Admin says, goes. He/they own the board, and therefore their wishes are ultimate.

End of story.

 

[Flintlock]

Actually, no. Comparing running a message board to real life is silly.

This isn't a democracy, and there's no council voted in by the people.

What the Admin says, goes. He/they own the board, and therefore their wishes are ultimate.

End of story.

You didn't say "don't compare a message board to real life". You said "no". As in, the post you quoted was not true. I was just pointing out that it was true, not that this is a democracy. In fact, I was arguing in the most recent staff critique that this place can be too much like a democracy sometimes, and I'd like to see the admins make decisions more authoritatively. A lot of people seemed to disagree with that idea though.

 

[Cthulhu]

People download music and videos legally for years. Corporations cry and baww. SOPA, ACTA, bunch of other laws are created, TPB gets sued and found guilty several times despite the law not clearly forbidding the sharing of .torrent files or magnet links or providing a search engine. Probably the biggest example, but what Flint says also applies.

All the rules are basically the "don't be a dick" rule in detail. I propose we get rid of those rules and everyone just doesn't act like a dick and everything will be just dandy, imho.

Feel free to take a rule and expand upon it, though; add some legal mumbo-jumbo, have a lawyer look it over and make it court legal and void of loopholes. Then I'll have it printed and published as the The Lifestream's Ten Commandments, Tome of Laws, and Ton of Legal Stuffs.

Yes I'm being cynical; no I don't see the point, especially when one goes 'let's review the rules' without pointing out specific ones that need improvement or dredging up old butthurt over trivialties. I don't even see the point in disagreeing with most rules; only valid reasons I can see is that they're old-fashioned or no longer applicable (such as rules about using certain features that used to use up a lot of server resources, stuff like that), or if people have certain plans in mind (like 'let's get rid of the dupe accounts rules so I can make dupe accounts and vote for my f4v0r1t3 character in the character battles').

Final reason would be to add a rule if it doesn't already fall under the 'don't be a dick' rule, which I find hard to imagine.

Also, there's not much I can do if half the board disagrees with me, the staff, and / or our decisions and buggers off; I do value people's opinions and stuff, if they make sense.

 

[Max Payne]

It isn't true.

One person/two(can't remember if yopy and X share custody or not) own this board. It's their baby, and if they want to put their foot down then that's all there is to it.

That makes this:

If you think of this site's staff as the judiciary and this site's rules as the law, then it makes sense. No matter how clear or unclear the rules are, the staff should still have leeway to use common sense when applying them. If something is ambiguous and then comes up in a dispute, the staff can rule how they see fit without having to stick to the rules by the letter, and then amend them afterwards.

A completely defunct comparison. Just because the owners are kind enough to let its members and staff have some say in a few things, doesn't mean that their decisions hold any weight. It's up to them to decide whether or not it does.

Also, there's not much I can do if half the board disagrees with me, the staff, and / or our decisions and buggers off; I do value people's opinions and stuff, if they make sense.

See, if he wasn't a nice guy he'd just tell us to deal with whatever the fuck he wanted to happen and would be well within his rights. A board like this with so much content and staff members dedicated to providing more and more will always attract new members.

However he's not Summoner Yuna or ACF staff.

 

[Flintlock]

yeah, rules should only be clear after people have broken them.

That's how laws in the real world work, .

No.

You didn't say "don't compare a message board to real life". You said "no". As in, the post you quoted was not true.

It isn't true.

But it is true, that's what I was trying to say. "It" being that laws in the real world are only clear after they're been broken.

Anyway, that's not really the point at all. Your posts give me the impression that you are happy with the situation as it is, where one or two people can do whatever the hell they want, which means you don't think the rules need updating. And I agree.

 

[Rumpelstiltskin]

So we're working on the premise of "don't be a dick" yet staff are still happy enough to argue over the existing rules grey areas?

 

[Cthulhu]

What argument?

 

[Max Payne]

But it is true, that's what I was trying to say. "It" being that laws in the real world are only clear after they're been broken.

That isn't even true. SOME laws in the real world aren't clear until they've been broken, but there are plenty that are pretty goddamned clear.

People have manipulated those laws to suit themselves, yes, but the laws themselves are clear, the way our legal system is setup however, it allows people enough leeway to skirt around them.

The outstanding situation of new laws arising and being created to address new scenarios doesn't take away from those laws.

The "real world" is much more complicated than anything that has been said here in these comparisons.

Your posts give me the impression that you are happy with the situation as it is, where one or two people can do whatever the hell they want, which means you don't think the rules need updating. And I agree.

That's a pretty big leap to make. I'm only saying that this isn't a democracy and people should stop pretending like they have a say in everything that happens. We don't. Maybe I would like things to be more democratic and to have more clear and stable rules, but that just leads to things being even more authoritarian and restrictive. It isn't conducive to a healthy atmosphere of frivolity and respect among peers imo. SO IDK but it is definitely worth talking about.

My taking issue with what was said is just my own personal nitpicking.

 

[Alex]

Man, this argument is in dire need of somebody to post an irrelevant gif and reap the sweet thanks.

As long as everybody (staff included) aren't being dicks right now then I really don't see any reason for things to be changed.

 

[Cthulhu]

Man, this argument is in dire need of somebody to post an irrelevant gif and reap the sweet thanks.

As long as everybody (staff included) aren't being dicks right now then I really don't see any reason for things to be changed.

THESE THANKS ARE MINE

 

[Max Payne]

THESE THANKS ARE MINE

Gym Leader devil in 50 years

he just needs a sword and it would be perfect

 

[Sprites]

Just adding my two cents of I don't think there's anything wrong with the rules, I think things are fine too but obviously I'm sure if specifics rather than just "All of them" are given they could be worked on or decided if they need either a slight update or even just a re-wording.

I know it's up to staff and admin in the end of whether they think it should or shouldn't but if a rule came up and a lot of members thought, it could be re-worded or updated I'm sure it wouldn't be a problem, circumstances change as events change after all

 

[Tennyo]

Let's start with the first then work on it until the last.

Well, could you stop being vague and describe what it is you want or take issue with? Give us something to go by? We can't read your mind.