Username gone...with the others.

[Octo]

I kind of wish I'd been around to witness what he actually did way back when to get himself banned in the first place.

 

[Tetsujin]

He was a derp

 

[Flintlock]

He was a derp

Heinous.

 

[Tetsujin]

Everytime he gets banned again, I imagine this:

 

[Cthulhu]

The 6 month ban is BS; we banned his original account temporarily, probably for a few months, I can't remember, but since then he's just been keeping making dupes. And while we're lenient on duplicate accounts, creating one to circumvent a ban is not a valid reason and will only increase the ban duration.

 

[Ryushikaze]

The 6 month ban is BS; we banned his original account temporarily, probably for a few months, I can't remember, but since then he's just been keeping making dupes. And while we're lenient on duplicate accounts, creating one to circumvent a ban is not a valid reason and will only increase the ban duration.

It was a Month ban, he dup posted, got an extension to 2 months. Another dup, another 2 months. Another, 6 month suspension. After that, a full year. Then permaban. Or maybe there were a few more dupes before the permaban.

 

[Joker]

Why should the mods here go through the stress of not knowing when Username might rubberband back to being abusive, when they can just do away with him

A wise fictional AI once said, "the best solution to a problem is usually the easiest one".

So the solution, then, is to keep doing the same thing and expect different results?

 

[Makoeyes987]

He's just trapped in a perpetual cycle of exponential ban extension. Quite sad, really.

If he just stayed away for a good....10 years, by our estimates, he'd be unbanned!

So the solution, then, is to keep doing the same thing and expect different results?

Pretty much. It's a lot more fun, and way easier

Seriously, there's no reason at all to lift his ban for his flagrant rule breaking when all he's demonstrate is..he'll continue breaking said rules until he gets his way.

Letting him back here again, with the belief he will somehow magically be this stellar member of quality and respect, would be more in line with us doing the same thing we did before, and expecting a different result.

The result will not be different. He'll still be User Name. He may repress his nature for a bit, but once his lips touch the drink or he gets sufficiently pissed or frustrated, he'll go batshit once more and just shit on the forum as is his nature.

 

[Joker]

It's easier to go to the ACP and ban someone than to take a flyer on them?

Whoa now. That sounds an awful lot like "it's easier to be arsed than to not be arsed", and that's mighty dangerous thinking around these parts.

Also, imo, it seems a poor show to insult someone who isn't here, especially if we're supposed to go by the rules regardless of who the offender is. Sinking to their level, etc etc.

I've done some thinking lately and come to the realization that I should try to be "nicer" (blanket term) to people in general, so shoot me for trying to turn over an old leaf, I guess.

 

[Octo]

^Yeah, I mean this has happened however many times before, I think its just better not to engage.

 

[Makoeyes987]

I may be letting my cynicism and overall exasperation show in regards to him, so for that I apologize. It's better to be nice, yes.

I remember User Name, about as far back as Alex back on ACF. And all of the drama and headaches he gave us. In Corel. The Compilation General. Spam. Etc etc.

All of this crap he's said/done/promised? He's said before way back on ACF, 140 million years ago. And he'll keep saying it. Because he thinks it'll work.

It's like the fable of the scorpion and the frog, where this random scorpion begs and pleads with a nearby frog to take it across the river to the other side for whatever the hell it wants there. The frog is naturally hesitant because scorpions sting shit, and if it got stung, it'd die. The scorpion begs, pleads and promises it's a nice scorpion, and it'd be suicide to sting the frog since they'd both drown.

Midway across the river, the scorpion goes batshit and stings the frog. With its dying breath, the frog asks why it would do such a stupid, mean, and suicidal act, and the scorpion goes..."Because I'm a scorpion, you idiot!!"

Username will always be Username. It's just who he is.

 

[Tennyo]

I have never heard that story before.

That was quite...enlightening...?

lol

 

[Tifabelle]

Here's the thing. I sort of agree with Kimble, and I have sympathy enough to give someone a chance. How will people change if we don't give them the opportunity to change? Assuming username really wants to or has changed, wouldn't we want to encourage that? If you treat his good behavior the same as his bad behavior, then what's the point in him being good. I'm a great believer in reinforcing good behavior.

However, the problem is that if he stayed away and then came back and made this post, there might be room to consider that he's changed and give him a chance. But in all this time, all he's done is make dupe after dupe and post garbage until he's been banned. So for one day he's gotten himself together and made a post about how he's changed, but his actions suggest otherwise. If he really wants to be let back, maybe he should stay away for a few months and try again, instead of making 9001 dupes in between his coherent moments.

 

[Ⓐaron]

However, the problem is that if he stayed away and then came back and made this post, there might be room to consider that he's changed and give him a chance. But in all this time, all he's done is make dupe after dupe and post garbage until he's been banned. So for one day he's gotten himself together and made a post about how he's changed, but his actions suggest otherwise. If he really wants to be let back, maybe he should stay away for a few months and try again, instead of making 9001 dupes in between his coherent moments.

This is exactly why he hasn't been unbanned and won't be unbanned as long as he continues making dupe accounts. Not to mention that the fact that he made another dupe account to post a plea about how he had changed was in itself breaking the rules. Going about telling us how much you've changed by breaking the rules to do so is not giving us a good first impression.

 

[Tennyo]

Here's the thing. I sort of agree with Kimble, and I have sympathy enough to give someone a chance. How will people change if we don't give them the opportunity to change? Assuming username really wants to or has changed, wouldn't we want to encourage that? If you treat his good behavior the same as his bad behavior, then what's the point in him being good. I'm a great believer in reinforcing good behavior.

However, the problem is that if he stayed away and then came back and made this post, there might be room to consider that he's changed and give him a chance. But in all this time, all he's done is make dupe after dupe and post garbage until he's been banned. So for one day he's gotten himself together and made a post about how he's changed, but his actions suggest otherwise. If he really wants to be let back, maybe he should stay away for a few months and try again, instead of making 9001 dupes in between his coherent moments.

^ That is exactly it. I'm all for giving people second chances (and often get made fun of for being soft but oh well). I think I've had multiple conversations with User where he promised he would be different if we just let him back, and I wanted to believe him.

And then we let him back, and nothing was different what so ever.

I think the last time we even all got excited about how he seemed to be trying to improve. But then he just threw it all out the window.

I may feel a tad sorry for him at times, but even I've lost all faith. The last time he was banned it wasn't even a perma ban. He was told that if he stopped making dupes and got his act together we'd give him yet another chance. But no, he had to be unbanned right there immediately and made a crap load of dupe accounts to beg to be let back.

So no, sometimes you just have to say that enough is enough.

 

[Makoeyes987]

Here's the thing. I sort of agree with Kimble, and I have sympathy enough to give someone a chance. How will people change if we don't give them the opportunity to change? Assuming username really wants to or has changed, wouldn't we want to encourage that? If you treat his good behavior the same as his bad behavior, then what's the point in him being good. I'm a great believer in reinforcing good behavior.

You're right, we cannot say with 100% accuracy that User Name is just acting to get his way. There is a possibility that he very well could have had a life experience that has fundamentally changed how he will present himself in discourse across the internet, specifically, this messageboard.

However, your past is what dictates the perception of your future. All of the things he's said about how he's changed, and he'll no longer act up and be the way he was before...has been said numerous times before in the past to us. Back when we were on Simplemachine forums, back on ACF. It's all been said and done before. We let him back in, he fucks around, and we're left going, "Well fuck, that sure was a stupid idea." And he just gets more emboldened to try again since he'll then feel slighted and deserving of some sort of recompense or apology.

We have no reason at all, to take a leap of faith and go against the perceptual trend of his past behaviors. Namely, he's just saying anything to get his way.

However, the problem is that if he stayed away and then came back and made this post, there might be room to consider that he's changed and give him a chance. But in all this time, all he's done is make dupe after dupe and post garbage until he's been banned. So for one day he's gotten himself together and made a post about how he's changed, but his actions suggest otherwise. If he really wants to be let back, maybe he should stay away for a few months and try again, instead of making 9001 dupes in between his coherent moments.

We've told him that numerous times before. And he does the exact opposite because he can't help himself, due to missing us so much, according to him.

It's nonsensical, at this point. He needs to accept the fact that he will not be able to be a member of this forum, and sate his hunger for discussion and drama on another board. His attachment to this board is purely based on his perception of being able to have the most fun trolling and/or sparking controversy. I don't think a member wanting to return for that reason is a good member at all.

 

[Zee]

i'm going to print some "free username" t shirts

 

[Edley]

75 Dupes????

 

[Tifabelle]

We have no reason at all, to take a leap of faith and go against the perceptual trend of his past behaviors. Namely, he's just saying anything to get his way.

I'd rather give someone a chance and be wrong then not give someone a chance and be wrong.

meh, I don't see the big deal. Username was good for a momentary laugh at the very least.

Not to mention that the fact that he made another dupe account to post a plea about how he had changed was in itself breaking the rules.

Is there a way for banned members to contact staff?

 

[Ⓐaron]

I'd rather give someone a chance and be wrong then not give someone a chance and be wrong.

The thing is, we've already done this several times. Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me.

Is there a way for banned members to contact staff?

Several. Many of us have our AIM/MSN/Skype addresses listed publicly, there is a contact us form at the bottom, and there are probably other things I'm also forgetting.

 

[Makoeyes987]

First it's Username.

Then who's next?

DLPB? Hachinamie? NeoBahamut? Nikkolas? Words of Ivory?

We cannot open the gate. Those who are forced into exile, must stay in exile.

The thing is, we've already done this several times. Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me.

....Fool me thrice, well goddamnit, I NEED AN ADULT! HALP!

 

[Joker]

So you're saying that if he left for a few months and then wanted to come back, you'd be at least moderately okay with it?

...exactly the way he said in his own OP before being denied the chance?

That seems like doubletalk to me.

 

[Alex]

DLPB? Hachinamie? NeoBahamut? Nikkolas? Words of Ivory?

You forgot Tethar Atrum.

Hail Sephiroth.

 

[Tetsujin]

Was Tethar ever on here? Can't remember tbh

maybe I just don't want to

 

[Ⓐaron]

So you're saying that if he left for a few months and then wanted to come back, you'd be at least moderately okay with it?

...exactly the way he said in his own OP before being denied the chance?

That seems like doubletalk to me.

Staff already told him a long time ago that if he stopped making dupe accounts it would greatly increase his chances of getting unbanned. He continues to make several dupes per month. So no, he's already had that chance, and he wasted it.