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Sephiroth is like a stone in the Planet's shoe that it just can't shake loose. He simply doesn't belong there.
SPOILERS Whisper Harbinger and Sephiroth
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grooveorganic
Lv. 25 Adventurer
The party actually really needs to sit down and talk about what Sephiroth said on the highway.
"All born are bound to her. Should this world be unmade, so too shall her children."
Did he lie? Is he wrong? I mean... preach. The party doesn't really question or react to that (and Cloud basically just says "Fuck you." to him in a nice way), so how were we supposed to interpret this? Was Sephiroth warning us? Wouldn't saying this right before a decisive battle, with The Keeper of Destiny, possibly backfire on him if the party had been like, "Hmm, this seems like a trickery, we should leave."?
You cannot tell me the quote above isn't something the Cetra have probably said word for word. It kind of reads like sacred scripture to me. And Sephiroth is one of those children, despite what anyone says.
No planet, no Sephiroth.
Can we, at minimum, all agree that stopping Harbinger from course correcting doesn't guarantee anyone anything, regardless of how, "GO TEAM!" Aerith was being at the end of the game? Toriyama and them keep on insisting things are the same too, so... What the hell was that fight then? What did we subvert? (I'm glad Zack is alive, but what's the point if he can't do shit to help or interact with Cloud and co.?)
It--oh my god--it annoys me so much that Aerith comments as if we messed up last time. Girl, I was there. You weren't. (I know I'm hard on her. There's reasons.)
I won't deny that Sephiroth was being manipulative, but he didn't trick us into fighting Harbinger. He opened a door, said, "I'm waiting." (what kind of invitation was that?), but we could have walked away. Instead, Aerith was like, "NO, no! My door is better." to a group of people who have always been strike first, wonder about the consequences later. They saw something that looked like a threat and attacked it. I do get that. My issue is why didn't Aerith even wonder why Harbinger had a problem with them to that degree. If the whispers chose our group, because they play an active role in the future of the planet's fate, why suddenly be okay with potentially killing them?
Viridi, Cocero, and Rubrum were out for blood. We weren't surviving that fight if not for plot armour and that wasn't on Sephiroth. He doesn't want Cloud to die.
Shouldn't Aerith's connection to the planet have warned her of this? Okay, did Aerith even know of Harbinger's existence? What it does? Why it's important? Red mentionsed that the Singularity may be the planet's last line of defense but even that was a passive statement with no follow-up.
Everyone is gambling. Our party is straight up trying to beat the house with no fucking chips... Hell, we're in debt. Aerith didn't even have a stake in the game last time because she died. She might die again if she keeps banking on Cloud. Dude's got zero poker face.
Let's figure that Sephiroth knows the odds aren't exactly tipped in his favor. I 100% believe he wouldn't have attempted to become frenemies with Cloud if he knew it was game, set, match. Right? This is why I don't think we've seen the last of the whispers and Harbinger. As I said in my earlier post, Sephiroth's the Arbiter/Master of his own fate now so he can probably push and pull situations however he sees fit. That's not an out and out defiance of his future if someone/some thing can always throw it back onto the og track though. (Hi Zack!)
We'll have to wait and see how Seph uses this new freedom, but uh... the determining factor that got his ass beat last time was his ego, pettiness level set to max, and his obsession with fucking with Cloud.
All that's stopping Sephiroth from succeeding is himself. He can blame the whispers, Harbinger, Hojo, and that damn dog all he wants but if he got his shit together and left Cloud alone, he'd be quite successful.
Anyway, I'm rambling. LOL! I mostly wanted to say that Sephiroth would want to protect his investment so his desire to preserve the planet makes sense. I mean, serial killers probably still recycle and live green or whatever. He needs the planet at 100% HP to do what he needs to do, assuming his end goal is to still the same in the og. The planet is his birthright (his words) and if anyone is going to bleed it dry and destroy it, it's him. Obviously, we don't want this to happen, but I sometimes wonder how we'd feel about this if Sephiroth was a neutral party and a SOLDIER 1st. We'd actually be seeking the help of this man in the fight against Shinra or whatever else is out there trying to hurt the planet.
That was originally SOLDIER's whole thing if I'm remembering right.
Saving the planet is the goal and the right thing to do. We just don't want Sephiroth to be the pioneer of this.
"All born are bound to her. Should this world be unmade, so too shall her children."
Did he lie? Is he wrong? I mean... preach. The party doesn't really question or react to that (and Cloud basically just says "Fuck you." to him in a nice way), so how were we supposed to interpret this? Was Sephiroth warning us? Wouldn't saying this right before a decisive battle, with The Keeper of Destiny, possibly backfire on him if the party had been like, "Hmm, this seems like a trickery, we should leave."?
You cannot tell me the quote above isn't something the Cetra have probably said word for word. It kind of reads like sacred scripture to me. And Sephiroth is one of those children, despite what anyone says.
No planet, no Sephiroth.
Can we, at minimum, all agree that stopping Harbinger from course correcting doesn't guarantee anyone anything, regardless of how, "GO TEAM!" Aerith was being at the end of the game? Toriyama and them keep on insisting things are the same too, so... What the hell was that fight then? What did we subvert? (I'm glad Zack is alive, but what's the point if he can't do shit to help or interact with Cloud and co.?)
It--oh my god--it annoys me so much that Aerith comments as if we messed up last time. Girl, I was there. You weren't. (I know I'm hard on her. There's reasons.)
I won't deny that Sephiroth was being manipulative, but he didn't trick us into fighting Harbinger. He opened a door, said, "I'm waiting." (what kind of invitation was that?), but we could have walked away. Instead, Aerith was like, "NO, no! My door is better." to a group of people who have always been strike first, wonder about the consequences later. They saw something that looked like a threat and attacked it. I do get that. My issue is why didn't Aerith even wonder why Harbinger had a problem with them to that degree. If the whispers chose our group, because they play an active role in the future of the planet's fate, why suddenly be okay with potentially killing them?
Viridi, Cocero, and Rubrum were out for blood. We weren't surviving that fight if not for plot armour and that wasn't on Sephiroth. He doesn't want Cloud to die.
Shouldn't Aerith's connection to the planet have warned her of this? Okay, did Aerith even know of Harbinger's existence? What it does? Why it's important? Red mentionsed that the Singularity may be the planet's last line of defense but even that was a passive statement with no follow-up.
Everyone is gambling. Our party is straight up trying to beat the house with no fucking chips... Hell, we're in debt. Aerith didn't even have a stake in the game last time because she died. She might die again if she keeps banking on Cloud. Dude's got zero poker face.
Let's figure that Sephiroth knows the odds aren't exactly tipped in his favor. I 100% believe he wouldn't have attempted to become frenemies with Cloud if he knew it was game, set, match. Right? This is why I don't think we've seen the last of the whispers and Harbinger. As I said in my earlier post, Sephiroth's the Arbiter/Master of his own fate now so he can probably push and pull situations however he sees fit. That's not an out and out defiance of his future if someone/some thing can always throw it back onto the og track though. (Hi Zack!)
We'll have to wait and see how Seph uses this new freedom, but uh... the determining factor that got his ass beat last time was his ego, pettiness level set to max, and his obsession with fucking with Cloud.
All that's stopping Sephiroth from succeeding is himself. He can blame the whispers, Harbinger, Hojo, and that damn dog all he wants but if he got his shit together and left Cloud alone, he'd be quite successful.
Anyway, I'm rambling. LOL! I mostly wanted to say that Sephiroth would want to protect his investment so his desire to preserve the planet makes sense. I mean, serial killers probably still recycle and live green or whatever. He needs the planet at 100% HP to do what he needs to do, assuming his end goal is to still the same in the og. The planet is his birthright (his words) and if anyone is going to bleed it dry and destroy it, it's him. Obviously, we don't want this to happen, but I sometimes wonder how we'd feel about this if Sephiroth was a neutral party and a SOLDIER 1st. We'd actually be seeking the help of this man in the fight against Shinra or whatever else is out there trying to hurt the planet.
That was originally SOLDIER's whole thing if I'm remembering right.
Saving the planet is the goal and the right thing to do. We just don't want Sephiroth to be the pioneer of this.