Who exactly were the real parents of Genesis?

[Lioneh]

I know there probably isn't a proper answer for this, but it's always left me curious because his 'parents' as referred to in Banora were quite clearly noted as foster guardians by the Crisis Core Scenario Q and A. Not to mention, both Angeal and Sephiroth's proper origins have been explained, with Angeal having Hollander and Gillian as parents and Sephiroth having Hojo and Lucrecia. However, Genesis's actual blood-related parents never really got a mention. The question pokes at me whether they were just random ShinRa scientist people or other characters who have yet to be introduced or made obvious.

I don't know, it's just bothering me. Maybe it'll be revealed in the next compilation title after DoC? I just think it would be interesting to know or to speculate. Heck, he could have even been a test tube baby or something.

 

[OWA-2]

It will probably be revealed in the next game, together with the secret about his genes.

 

[Lioneh]

Yeah, that be true, I'd just like to hear other people's opinions

 

[wayfarer]

Jesus and Chuck Norris.

 

[Dumb Apple]

Well, we know that Weiss and Nero share at least one biological parent; it would be interesting if the mother of those two was also the mother of Genesis.

It makes sense with the whole "Little Brother" statement, though even if they don't share a biological parent, they are still genetically related in a round about way.

 

[Lioneh]

OMG THREAD REVIVAL AGAINZ.

Okay, I have a whacked out theory here. So, as I understand it, the biological fathers of both Sephiroth and Angeal were both relatively important scientists within the Jenova Project - Hojo and Hollander. So, one would think the same logic would apply with Genesis also, right? Well, wouldn't it be totally weird if his father, his real father that is, was Professor Gast? [Yup, you can all call me insane right here. BUT IT'S JUST AN IDEA KAY? XD] I mean, it would make for a really interesting plot twist, because then Genesis would be the half-brother of Aerith. And she'd be his half-sister. At least biologically.

Besides. Both Aerith and Genesis have brown hair of a similar shade.
And so does Gast [and that's all I can establish about him, because the best image I can find is a blocky one from FFVII...].

But yeah. I'm insane. And I have no idea about his mother.
TELL ME WHAT YOU THINK. <3

 

[Ghost X]

Haha, would be even funnier if they were FULL brother and sister, and for some reason Ifalna doesn't mention to Aerith that she has a brother. That way he'd be an ancient or something. I haven't played Crisis Core, so excuse my ignorance, but I recall people saying it was a mystery why he is deteriorating? Perhaps its the virus that killed the Ancients that Jenova unleashed or something, and it affects him because he's half Ancient. It'd also explain perhaps why he has the connection with Minerva and the planet or whatever. You'd think Shinra would be more interested in him if he were half Ancient though. Once again, I haven't a clue for certain about storyline, so I ain't saying anything I have said is true. Proceed to riddle my theory with bullet holes of reason.

 

[Lioneh]

Dang it, I know, it would be totally awesome if they were [not so awesome for those who ship them as a pairing though... |D], but sadly they aren't D: Becuase Gast met Ifalna a few years later I presume, or at least after his involvement in the Jenova project. So it would be impossible [as Ifalna revealed the truth about Jenova and if Gast had known her previously he would have known Jenova not to be an Ancient and then the Jenova project would be canned early.] But dude, awesome reasoning anywho if it were plausible! And you are excused x3; But still, half brother/sister is still cool.

And slightly plausible.

[And as a side note, does Genesis have any physical resemblance to Gillian? Since he had her cells and all. I should have a look later xD]

 

[Tennyo]

All this stuff about Project Gillian kind of went over my head, actually. I really don't understand any of it.

 

[looneymoon]

Seconding Tennyo. That and I never really understood the "scientific" difference between Angeal, Genesis and Sephiroth.

 

[Tennyo]

I actually get that part, to an extent. Sephiroth was perfect. He was a highly successful experiment. Thus he cannot be copied. At least not easily. That's why Hojo was trying so hard for years to see if he could, and churning out a lot of failures in the process.

It was because he could be copied (to people, I think this might be the clincher) somehow that meant that his cells couldn't sustain themselves; as in, they couldn't be ripped apart.

Angeal I don't quite understand. He seemed to only be able to be copied to monsters. I think this makes a difference.

So yeah.

But the question of Gillian and their parents and all that, I have no clue.

 

[Cat Rage Room]

That's why Hojo was trying so hard for years to see if he could, and churning out a lot of failures in the process.

Why didn't he just replicate the procedure he did to create Sephiroth exactly? If he wanted to copy Sephiroth, why keep doing it half assed?

 

[Tennyo]

Because I think that requires finding a woman willing to get pregnant for science and then injecting Jenova cells into a fetus and waiting a good 20+ years for the kid to grow up.

Not exactly cost effective, I would think.

 

[Makoeyes987]

Hojo was never trying to make copies of Sephiroth. He was never trying to make a new one. The Sephiroth Copies, were just people who underwent the same SOLDIER procedure and got Sephiroth's cells...Jenova cells.

The Sephiroth Copy Project was about proving the Jenova Reunion Theory.

Sephiroth can't be copied because his genetic material and traits are static. He doesn't manifest the copy phenomenon, which is a manifestation of Jenova's virus and mutative abilities. Genesis and Angeal can because they inherited that ability, but it comes at the price of their genetic stability and life.

Sephiroth, Genesis, and Angeal are separated by the fact that Sephiroth's body and genetic material are a perfect hybridization of Jenova and human. Genesis and Angeal's integration of the alien DNA is poor and thus their body degrades and slowly transforms into a monster because of it. That's the difference of between Project G and Project S. Sephiroth is a better hybrid and is more Jenova than Genesis and Angeal. Hollander didn't go the full step of actually implanting Jenova cells inside the ovum like Hojo did.

Angeal could copy his cells just like Genesis but we only see it being used on monsters. There's no difference between Genesis and Angeal in terms of copying.

 

[Lioneh]

The Sephiroth Copies, were just people who underwent the same SOLDIER procedure and got Sephiroth's cells...Jenova cells.

See, this confuses me - these dumb 's-cells' and Jenova cells. I mean, are they essentially the same thing? Because Genesis was originally seeking Jenova cells, then he suddenly switched to Sephiroth's cells because of their perfect integration with Jenova, and then it was 's-cells' - presumably, because Sephiroth was 'dead', the only way Genesis could obtain these cells was through those created by the reunion theory project. So are s-cells Sephiroth's cells, or are they Jenova? -flail-

Um. Yeah. Anyway, back on topic - are there are other plausible parents for Genesis? I like my Gast idea, but that leaves him with a mystery for a mother. And I'd like to hear people's opinions on the half brother/sister thing with Aerith.

And by the way, who else thinks it's cool that Genesis and Angeal share some genetic material? They both have genetic makeup from Gillian [Genesis less so, but still some]. So they're like relatives. Almost.

 

[Loxetta]

Why didn't he just replicate the procedure he did to create Sephiroth exactly? If he wanted to copy Sephiroth, why keep doing it half assed?

He wanted a more efficient way of mass-creating 'Sephiroths', like how they could create SOLDIERs. Recreating the original S Project enough times to have an army or at least an elite fighting force just wasn't practical.

Angeal could copy his cells just like Genesis but we only see it being used on monsters. There's no difference between Genesis and Angeal in terms of copying.

Don't forget Lazard. And there is a difference between Genesis and Angeal's copy abilities -- Angeal can re-absorb his copies, and as far as we know Genesis cannot.

See, this confuses me - these dumb 's-cells' and Jenova cells. I mean, are they essentially the same thing? Because Genesis was originally seeking Jenova cells, then he suddenly switched to Sephiroth's cells because of their perfect integration with Jenova, and then it was 's-cells' - presumably, because Sephiroth was 'dead', the only way Genesis could obtain these cells was through those created by the reunion theory project. So are s-cells Sephiroth's cells, or are they Jenova? -flail-

Pretty sure they're Sephiroth's cells.

Um. Yeah. Anyway, back on topic - are there are other plausible parents for Genesis? I like my Gast idea, but that leaves him with a mystery for a mother. And I'd like to hear people's opinions on the half brother/sister thing with Aerith.

You know, this has been a pet theory of mine for a long time. Gast is the one that discovered Jenova and kickstarted the Project, so it's not unreasonable to say he could have been Genesis' father. His mother is the stumbling block though. Ifalna would be interesting, and it would explain a few things about Genesis (like his degradation sickness being so bad, and his aptitude for magic, for example) but the timeline gives that a big fat no. Gillian is out, because Genesis would be the same as Angeal, and he's not. I toyed with the idea of Lucrecia as well, but I don't know enough about her timeline in the Project to really say if it was possible or not.

And by the way, who else thinks it's cool that Genesis and Angeal share some genetic material? They both have genetic makeup from Gillian [Genesis less so, but still some]. So they're like relatives. Almost.

I'm surprised that wasn't played with more, really

 

[Lioneh]

Pretty sure they're Sephiroth's cells.

Okay, sounds reasonable enough [I mean, 's-cells'...Sephiroth cells, duh.]. Just another point I'm not too sure on, but the Reunion theory counts for all of those with regular Jenova cells, right? Because if Hojo was testing this, why would he use specifically s-cells for the project? Sure, they contain Jenova, but Seph also has genetic material from Lucrecia and Hojo. I'm just a little unsure here, is all. One would think it would be all of Jenova's cells...

You know, this has been a pet theory of mine for a long time. Gast is the one that discovered Jenova and kickstarted the Project, so it's not unreasonable to say he could have been Genesis' father. His mother is the stumbling block though. Ifalna would be interesting, and it would explain a few things about Genesis (like his degradation sickness being so bad, and his aptitude for magic, for example) but the timeline gives that a big fat no. Gillian is out, because Genesis would be the same as Angeal, and he's not. I toyed with the idea of Lucrecia as well, but I don't know enough about her timeline in the Project to really say if it was possible or not.

OMG YAY I'M NOT ALONE.
Yes, that is exactly what I have been thinking :3 ~ [Yes, and if Ifalna was actually his mother, then all these explanations that people have been throwing out regarding Genesis would work so well! I mean, as said before, Genesis degrading badly because he has Jenova and it's attacking his semi-Ancient self like so many years ago, his linkage with Minerva/magic, etc. It all fits! But it can't, because of the timeline difference of when Gast met Ifalna...darn.]
Well, Lucrecia WOULD be strange [I mean, Genesis related to Aerith AND Sephiroth!?], but probably not, as Lucrecia was working with Hojo and Project G and S were rival projects, so Hojo wouldn't want any involvement with Hollander's work. And obviously, Gillian is a no too.
WHO IS THIS MYSTERY WOMAN? D:

I'm surprised that wasn't played with more, really

I reckon. I should really compare their faces some time soon.

 

[The Twilight Mexican]

See, this confuses me - these dumb 's-cells' and Jenova cells. I mean, are they essentially the same thing? Because Genesis was originally seeking Jenova cells, then he suddenly switched to Sephiroth's cells because of their perfect integration with Jenova, and then it was 's-cells' - presumably, because Sephiroth was 'dead', the only way Genesis could obtain these cells was through those created by the reunion theory project. So are s-cells Sephiroth's cells, or are they Jenova? -flail-

Either. Or both.

It's actually one of CC's logic gaps -- he was right there in the Mako reactor at Nibelheim where JENOVA was being housed, yet he didn't take any of her cells.

The only possible way to explain Genesis' stupidity then is that he didn't take JENOVA's cells then because he had wanted Sephiroth's cooperation as part of some recreation/fulfillment of Loveless.


EDIT: Also, I love the idea of Genesis being Gast or Ifalna's son. Given that the CC Complete Guide seems to put Ifalna in Midgar prior to Gast's "escape" from Shin-Ra (says she escaped with him), it could easily be written that Genesis was her son biologically.

 

[Tennyo]

This thread is making me feel even more lost. But I do like the idea of Genesis being Aerith's brother/half brother for some reason...

 

[Super Mario]

Some rich family on that poor village. The End.

 

[Tennyo]

I got the impression that Genesis was adopted.

 

[Super Mario]

Nah. he was born and raised in the West side of that village. Don't you worry.

 

[Lioneh]

Either. Or both.

It's actually one of CC's logic gaps -- he was right there in the Mako reactor at Nibelheim where JENOVA was being housed, yet he didn't take any of her cells.

The only possible way to explain Genesis' stupidity then is that he didn't take JENOVA's cells then because he had wanted Sephiroth's cooperation as part of some recreation/fulfillment of Loveless.

Ahhh. That's kinda what I was thinking...but I did go over the Crisis Core Complete Guide Keyword collection and it said that 's-cells' where Jenova cells that had been treated in a special way that hinted they shared material with Sephiroth too. -scratches head- So they're mostly Jenova with Sephiroth cells mixed in too. At least that's what I think....

But Genesis completely missing the fact that Jenova was right behind him was kinda...funny xD; Maybe he was too caught up in his childhood dream of sharing an apple with Sephiroth that he just didn't take notice? At least, that's one reason I think why he focued on Seph with that apple and all. -shrug-

EDIT: Also, I love the idea of Genesis being Gast or Ifalna's son. Given that the CC Complete Guide seems to put Ifalna in Midgar prior to Gast's "escape" from Shin-Ra (says she escaped with him), it could easily be written that Genesis was her son biologically.

AH! The more I hear it, the more I like it! xD But it just can't work, because why would Ifalna be at ShinRa already unless they already knew she was an Ancient? Otherwise, why would they bother using Jenova if they knew that they had an Ancient right there? Unless they had Ifalna there for other reasons and did not know that she was an Ancient. Or something. But if Ifalna was present at the time of the start of the Jenova project, wouldn't she know that Jenova was not an Ancient? [Especially if she agreed to be a part of it...which would involve having Gillian's cells injected into her and all...]

But yeah...as cool as it would be having Genesis and Aerith as complete brother and sister [especially so, since Genesis would like, be a Cetra. Interesting plot twist for the after DoC sequel], I just don't think it logically works. Unless Square Enix are complete idiots.

But at least they can still be half related.

 

[Tennyo]

Nah. he was born and raised in the West side of that village. Don't you worry.

Oh really? Living the thug life?

 

[Super Mario]

Playing...whatever it is they play in The Planet.... and eating dumbapple outside of his school.