Why do people feel sorry for Sephiroth?

[Shizuka]

Hey everyone been away for a while, been getting sorted for Uni.

Anyway I've been reading the thread "why do people feel sorry for Geneais?" And I decided to create this thread:

So, many people do feel sorry for Sephiroth I suposse this is due to his birth, extremely bad parents (both are equal in my opinion) CC I believe brought more pity for Sephiroth due to Angeal and Genesis. I am sure many disagree.

I believe Nomura has been quoted saying that he doesn't understand why fans feel sorry for Sephiroth.

I don't understand the path he took. I know in Nibilhiem JENOVA could of had a major influence on Sephiroth but after him travelling the lifestream he finds out the entire truth but continues his douchie opinion thatched is "the chosen one"

And experimentation sure is evil and in humane but what Sephiroth, Angeal and Genesis failed to realise that they had been given a gift could of joined together in force and I'm pretty sure helped the planet in a very positive way.

 

[jazzflower92]

Hey everyone been away for a while, been getting sorted for Uni.

Anyway I've been reading the thread "why do people feel sorry for Geneais?" And I decided to create this thread:

So, many people do feel sorry for Sephiroth I suposse this is due to his birth, extremely bad parents (both are equal in my opinion) CC I believe brought more pity for Sephiroth due to Angeal and Genesis. I am sure many disagree.

I believe Nomura has been quoted saying that he doesn't understand why fans feel sorry for Sephiroth.

I don't understand the path he took. I know in Nibilhiem JENOVA could of had a major influence on Sephiroth but after him travelling the lifestream he finds out the entire truth but continues his douchie opinion thatched is "the chosen one"

And experimentation sure is evil and in humane but what Sephiroth, Angeal and Genesis failed to realise that they had been given a gift could of joined together in force and I'm pretty sure helped the planet in a very positive way.

I think some theorize that after Sephiroth learned the truth that was the final nail in having anything to do with the planet and decided to just become what he is.

Also there are strong implications that Jenova and Sephiroth are now in a symbiosis status with each other which is probably why Sephiroth can control her.

 

[ForceStealer]

Because they're wrong.



Sephiroth was wronged, and given a raw deal. That's undeniable, no one hates Sephiroth more than Cloud and even he acknowledges that Hojo committed a "crime" against him. A villain that's written to have a backstory is going to have a reason for why he or she turned out they way they did. But even if it is a good reason - and poeple will argue whether Sephiroth's was or not - it still doesn't excuse what they do.

There are villains who make it wishy-washy, performing evil to change some injustice or what have you. But Sephiroth simply murdered people for standing in the way of him remaking the world as he saw fit. It was all about him. So he's evil and no matter how much Hojo screwed him, he's beyond sympathy.


Under the old theory of Jenova controlling Sephiroth, then, sure, you could feel bad for him , but that's been established not to be the case. And even if it were, it's awful hard to tell where Sephiroth ends and Jenova begins at this point so who are you feeling bad for?

 

[Shademp]

From what I've encountered, the following red thread exists for all those who feel sorry for Sephiroth: They are fangirls who sexualize Sephiroth for their own pleasure. By imparting redeeming qualities onto the character, they can imagine in their heads that they could change Sephiroth for the better, while he still keeps all his sexy powers.

The same is true for those who became obsessed with Loki after seeing The Avengers. The character's power is sexy, but to justify the sexual attraction the women must make the character redeemable.

Sad but true, from my observations.

 

[Ⓐaron]

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[Gym Leader Devil]

Sephiroth was wronged, and given a raw deal. That's undeniable, no one hates Sephiroth more than Cloud and even he acknowledges that Hojo committed a "crime" against him. A villain that's written to have a backstory is going to have a reason for why he or she turned out they way they did. But even if it is a good reason - and poeple will argue whether Sephiroth's was or not - it still doesn't excuse what they do.

This is almost word for word ok so its better then mine what I'd have said, could I be arsed

 

[Akai Hana]

From what I've encountered, the following red thread exists for all those who feel sorry for Sephiroth: They are fangirls who sexualize Sephiroth for their own pleasure. By imparting redeeming qualities onto the character, they can imagine in their heads that they could change Sephiroth for the better, while he still keeps all his sexy powers.

Sephiroth the Marty Stu? Lol. Sephy is a villain. I don't feel sorry for him being born from a scientific experiment.

Sephiroth was wronged, and given a raw deal. That's undeniable, no one hates Sephiroth more than Cloud and even he acknowledges that Hojo committed a "crime" against him. A villain that's written to have a backstory is going to have a reason for why he or she turned out they way they did. But even if it is a good reason - and poeple will argue whether Sephiroth's was or not - it still doesn't excuse what they do.

+1

 

[jazzflower92]

I wonder when Genesis was introduced in Crisis Core this gave Sephiroth even more sympathy from the fandom by mistake. I believe one part of it is the fact that Genesis in the game really came off as a really obnoxious,selfish jerk who does a lot of things that Sephiroth did in the OG yet gets the opportunity for redemption without paying for his crimes. Not to mention a lot of fans blame Genesis for being the catalyst behind Sephiroth's start of darkness.

 

[Akai Hana]

I always thought that Genesis was jealous with Sephy's strength and ability. He thought he is more stronger than Sephy and that's why he challenged Sephy into Battle in the VR system.. Just my thoughts.

 

[ForceStealer]

I wonder when Genesis was introduced in Crisis Core this gave Sephiroth even more sympathy from the fandom by mistake. I believe one part of it is the fact that Genesis in the game really came off as a really obnoxious,selfish jerk who does a lot of things that Sephiroth did in the OG yet gets the opportunity for redemption without paying for his crimes. Not to mention a lot of fans blame Genesis for being the catalyst behind Sephiroth's start of darkness.

Eh. Even WITH Genesis's appearance in the reactor, I think Sephiroth was already well on his way. In fact, him telling off Genesis is one of hsi last lucid moments before losing it. (And it's awesome.)

 

[jazzflower92]

Eh. Even WITH Genesis's appearance in the reactor, I think Sephiroth was already well on his way. In fact, him telling off Genesis is one of hsi last lucid moments before losing it. (And it's awesome.)

Speaking of which didn't the Ultimanias say something about Hojo planning to have Sephiroth be in Nibelheim in order to see what happened when he was close to Jenova.

 

[ForceStealer]

They did? I thought that was a fan thing in trying to determine why Shinra would have been stupid enough to do that.

 

[jazzflower92]

They did? I thought that was a fan thing in trying to determine why Shinra would have been stupid enough to do that.

Remember Hojo is an executive and has a lot power that he often uses to do really dubious things. Not to mention Hojo has shown time and again he has his own plans different from Shinra's.

 

[The Twilight Mexican]

Yeah, VII's Ultimania Omega suggests that Hojo wanted Sephiroth to be sent on that mission so he could see what would happen if Sephiroth got near Jenova.

 

[jazzflower92]

Yeah, VII's Ultimania Omega suggests that Hojo wanted Sephiroth to be sent on that mission so he could see what would happen if Sephiroth got near Jenova.

Funny, thing is Hojo has never had any sympathetic traits in the entire canon plus not to mention he is really unattractive and people still Draco In Leather Pants him out of some alternative interpretation of him or because they feel that he is a flat character who need some hidden depths.

 

[Obsidian Fire]

Yeah, VII's Ultimania Omega suggests that Hojo wanted Sephiroth to be sent on that mission so he could see what would happen if Sephiroth got near Jenova.

This... not to mention that Hojo shows up right after Cloud and Zack deal with Sephiroth. It's too soon for him not to have been in the area at the time Neibelheim burned.

I'm kinda wondering what Nomura means by "feel sorry for", because in one way, I do feel sorry for pre-Neibelheim Sephiroth. From what we see of him, he wasn't an evil person, and yet, he was screwed over by things he had no control over. So I feel sorry that that happened to him, because it shouldn't have. And if that didn't happen, he might not have tried to destroy the world.Now as far as how he reacts to finding out he was experimented on... not at all. I don't feel sorry for him then, he's definitely gone over the Moral Event Horizon. He needs to be stopped by that point.

 

[Mariketsu]

This is what I think:

True, Sephiroth is an all-around villain and everything he did garners NO excuse whatsoever.

HOWEVER.. I do feel that, while it was downright wrong of him to trash Nibelheim the way he did, you gotta think, by that point, he was practically insane and was really not in his right mind at all. Regardless, after he died, I think is when it didn't matter anymore because he gained knowledge and well, just became the direct villain then .especially after merging with Jenova.

Overall, it's not that I'm trying to make excuses or "redeemable qualities" that a lot fangirls do, so much that I'm just trying to say that, honestly, he really was just flat-out insane prior to his death and had no grip on his mind at all. It's no excuse, but it is sad, imo. After his death is when he really is just a cold villain.

[Also, I agree with you, Obsidian. I did feel sorry for him prior to Nibelheim (which leads into why I still felt bad for him when he literally lost his mind and went batshit because of the things that screwed him over). Even though he went nutball, he did need to be stopped simply because he was a threat to everyone and probably even to himself, regardless.]

~ Raz

 

[applet]

People feel sorry for sephiroth because he really was a misunderstood victim. He found out he was a half human creature then he got mindraped/possessed by jenova who made him do bad things. He wasn't in his right state of mind. So peple should lay off and stop callin him a monster. They would do the same thing in his shoes.

Though sephiroth could have been easily redeemed if somebody had simply gave him some lovin.

 

[jazzflower92]

People feel sorry for sephiroth because he really was a misunderstood victim. He found out he was a half human creature then he got mindraped/possessed by jenova who made him do bad things. He wasn't in his right state of mind. So peple should lay off and stop callin him a monster. They would do the same thing in his shoes.

Though sephiroth could have been easily redeemed if somebody had simply gave him some lovin.

Now this is what I call Poe's law in action.

 

[Ryushikaze]

People feel sorry for sephiroth because he really was a misunderstood victim. He found out he was a half human creature then he got mindraped/possessed by jenova who made him do bad things. He wasn't in his right state of mind. So peple should lay off and stop callin him a monster. They would do the same thing in his shoes.

Though sephiroth could have been easily redeemed if somebody had simply gave him some lovin.

AHAHAHAHAHAHA No.

Sephiroth was not possessed by Jenova or anyone. He was not forced to do anything. He thought he was better than everyone else, and wanted to apotheose into godhood.

No amount of 'lovin' would have redeemed his ass because he didn't want redemption, he wanted to ascend to what he thought his rightful place in the world was.

Seriously, applet, not you, not Sephirothslave, not SummonerYuna, none of you creepy fangirls could redeem Sephiroth. He'd cut you all down where you stood. And then laugh.

 

[Gym Leader Devil]

Are you sure he'd waste the time and effort it would take Ryu? I'm looking more at a "Sephiroth coldly turns his back and leaves, trusting that they'll die when Meteor hits/Geostigma kicks in/whatever" situation. Fangirls aren't important enough to personally cut down

 

[ForceStealer]

Guess it depends when they're approaching to save him. If it's in Nibelheim, they're boned.

 

[The Twilight Mexican]

Ironically, the last time he was worth saving.

 

[Kermitu Kleric Katie]

People feel sorry for sephiroth because he really was a misunderstood victim. He found out he was a half human creature then he got mindraped/possessed by jenova who made him do bad things. He wasn't in his right state of mind. So peple should lay off and stop callin him a monster. They would do the same thing in his shoes.

Though sephiroth could have been easily redeemed if somebody had simply gave him some lovin.

Translation: Sephiroth is sympathetic 'cause he's a hawt bishie.

 

[Rydeen]

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Applet is SY