Wutai Reactor?

[Aki]

We don't really see the full size of Wutai. Fort Tamblin (or whatever its called) is obviously not the same as the Wutai we see in VII. But in the same region, obviously as they are expanding the VII universe they may include such reactors or half built parts.


Also I'd definatly like to see more of Sephiroth during his days in Shinra. We didn't really see much in crisis core

 

[S and G]

We don't really see the full size of Wutai. Fort Tamblin (or whatever its called) is obviously not the same as the Wutai we see in VII. But in the same region, obviously as they are expanding the VII universe they may include such reactors or half built parts.

Well it can only be assumed that there are more locations on Gaia that don't appear on the original game's world map or in the town they were meant to be in (obviously some of which were built later but the areas were not shown). Off the top of my head I can think of Fort Tamblin, Modeoheim, Banora, Healin, WRO HQ, Stygian sewers, Nibelheim ropebridge, Rocket Launch Pad base of operations, mysterious northern cave, village in Case of Barret, village in Case of Nanaki, Club Duel, AVALANCHE base at Knowlespole, oil fields from Case of Barret, abandoned construction site and passageway under mountains from Last Order, weapons facilities in Wutai from Special Episode of Legend...

I'm sure the list could go on. The point is that you are completely right that there is a possibility given what has come since FF7 that there was a Reactor built at Wutai, but surely it would have been mentioned somewhere, no less than by Yuffie. It doesn't even say that Shinra occupied Wutai, simply that they reduced it to a tourist town. I mean it wouldn't have been wise for Don Corneo to escape to if Shinra had guards everywhere.

Also I'd definatly like to see more of Sephiroth during his days in Shinra. We didn't really see much in crisis core

I agree. At no point in the compilation have we seen Sephiroth as anything other than the Captain of SOLDIER or an antagonist. I think they could have fun with his whole backstory and why he adored Gast and hated Hojo, etc. The circumstances under which he was made to feel 'different'. As I said before, the possibilities are endless.

 

[The Joker]

Well it can only be assumed that there are more locations on Gaia that don't appear on the original game's world map or in the town they were meant to be in (obviously some of which were built later but the areas were not shown). Off the top of my head I can think of Fort Tamblin, Modeoheim, Banora, Healin, WRO HQ, Stygian sewers, Nibelheim ropebridge, Rocket Launch Pad base of operations, mysterious northern cave, village in Case of Barret, village in Case of Nanaki, Club Duel, AVALANCHE base at Knowlespole, oil fields from Case of Barret, abandoned construction site and passageway under mountains from Last Order, weapons facilities in Wutai from Special Episode of Legend...

I always thought that Corel Desert was the remains of Barret's town, since alot of the places seem very similar to the flashback scenes.

They may eventually tell us wheter Shinra decided to use the remains of Fort Tamblin as a Mako Reactor, and they may not. We can only surmise that it was planned to, but it just fell through, like most of Shinra's plans over the course of it's years.

 

[Joyful Blue]

I seriously have to wonder why the Wutai War is never touched on. It's one of 2 time periods that are important to the Compilation, but have almost no in-depth information, the other one being Jenova's arrival.

I've not played much of the compilation stuff but I have to agree with that. Mainly because I have no interest in a lot fo the stuff that has been added to the comp such as Dirge of Cerberus, from what I can tell it looks like a new story has been added to the FF world rather than sticking to and adding to the original one, something that didn't really grab me. I'd much rather see something about the likes of the Wutai War, as in a topic we already knew about but hasn't really been divulged into.

As for the reactor, well since I haven't played a lot of the comp I'm unsure how things fit into the timeline but other reactors seemed to have enough problems of their own. Other than Midgar a lot of the other reactors were in no fine shape, Coral and For Condor both had their own issues and Shinra may have though it was best to tackle any problems with these first rather than have a whole new set of problems set upon them once they start up in Wutai.

 

[S and G]

I always thought that Corel Desert was the remains of Barret's town, since alot of the places seem very similar to the flashback scenes.

The village I'm talking about is separate from Corel. The desert prison was indeed the remains of Barret's hometown, but in his own story in the novella On The Way To A Smile, Barret goes in search of his own personal redemption and ends up in a village somewhere between the Gold saucer and Gongaga if I remember correctly helping the people afflicted by difficulty.

 

[ForceStealer]

Well FF7's world in actuality probably has little villages all over the place. It's like in Oblivion or Fallout, you stumble upon little collections of houses that are merely villages without a town guard or anything like that. JRPGs are also rather well-known for having more people than there are houses (or even beds) for them to live in.

As Dirge of Cerberus' Kalm illustrates, the cities that appear in FF7, as they appear in FF7, are greatly downsized. So, assuming everything is equally downsized (not necessarily true of course), villages that are actually only a few houses would get erased from the map entirely.

Crisis Core expanded Nibelheim slightly, but it still seems awfully small to warrant a Mako reactor, unless it was built to power the experiments in the Shinra Manor. Midgar is still shown grossly undersized if you ask me, especially after how big Kalm is in Dirge.

 

[S and G]

Well FF7's world in actuality probably has little villages all over the place. It's like in Oblivion or Fallout, you stumble upon little collections of houses that are merely villages without a town guard or anything like that. JRPGs are also rather well-known for having more people than there are houses (or even beds) for them to live in.

Very true. The only real example of single location I can think of in FF7 is the weapon seller's house near Gongaga or the chocobo farm. I fully envisage a host of small towns and villages dotted around the place. The respective villages from Case of Barret and Case of Nanaki only prove such a point.

As Dirge of Cerberus' Kalm illustrates, the cities that appear in FF7, as they appear in FF7, are greatly downsized.

Yeah that was a weird one for writing my novel - having to use the DC map rather than the FF7 one. Bizarrely, Before Crisis does the same thing for Costa del Sol.

Crisis Core expanded Nibelheim slightly, but it still seems awfully small to warrant a Mako reactor, unless it was built to power the experiments in the Shinra Manor. Midgar is still shown grossly undersized if you ask me, especially after how big Kalm is in Dirge.

I think the game engine and plot had a lot to do with it in CC. With regards to Nibelheim, I felt that the whole thing seemed a bit rushed. The town was obviously more spacious than the original, but did not reflect what it truly was. BC says that the Mako reactor was manned by multiple Shinra employees before the dragons attacked and that they had their own rope bridge. A Reactor that big would merit the town to be at least twice the size it was, but I don't think it was really a concern as far as the story of CC went. I was actually really disappointed with the mountain pass to the Reactor. That was just shit.

I think the Nibel Mako Reactor was built there more to do with surrounding landscape that anything else. There is obviously a vast amount of Mako in those mountains as can be seen by the Materia fountain, and the extended area was once a vast forest as is stated by Gramps in the original flashback.

And I agree that Midgar could have been touched upon a bit more. However, again given the disc space, how relevant was it to the story? Sure seeing Sectors 5 and 8 were a nice touch but what would you rather have - a few big intricate locations or numerous smaller, less in-depth ones? DC was one a much bigger scale because it could be. DC's Shinra Mansion and basement is massive compared to CC's. One small bit I did like, though, was Gongaga. They seemed to give a much more realistic and larger touch to it. You're there for 'ike 5 mins but hey, it's Zack's hometown so why not?

 

[ForceStealer]

And I supposed the Mt. Nibel reactor must also power Rocket Town? I'm not sure how they get it all the way there, but there isn't any other reactor nearby that we know of.

And I also don't "blame" CC for how little we've seen of Midgar. I was just bemoaning that, in general, we've seen very little of what is presumably an enormous city.

 

[Neo Bahamut]

And I supposed the Mt. Nibel reactor must also power Rocket Town? I'm not sure how they get it all the way there, but there isn't any other reactor nearby that we know of.

Presumably via pipes, wires, etc.

And I also don't "blame" CC for how little we've seen of Midgar. I was just bemoaning that, in general, we've seen very little of what is presumably an enormous city.

True. You have 8 slum sectors, plus 8 city sectors on top of that.[/Captain Obvious]

WRO HQ

By staring at the original world map for way too long, I've come to the conclusion that it's in the plateaus you pass leaving Midgar.

I think they could have fun with his whole backstory and why he adored Gast and hated Hojo, etc.

I think they want to keep it enigmatic, though. I mean, everything about Sephiroth is treated as top-secret in game, so why would they expose enormous amounts of shit about his childhood, & such?

As for the whole Hojo/Gast thing, it's obvious to basically everyone both inside the game & playing it that Gast is a better scientist than Hojo, a better person than Hojo, and is more likeable than Hojo, so the fact that Sephiroth likes him more isn't really surprising.

 

[S and G]

WRO HQ
By staring at the original world map for way too long, I've come to the conclusion that it's in the plateaus you pass leaving Midgar.

My thoughts exactly, on the raised land next to the corridor south of Kalm. I also personally believe that Healin is directly opposite at the foot of the mountains

Also, if you take a look at the map in Lazard's office during CC, you can see marking of the locations for Banora and Modeoheim (seemingly alongside those of the world's reactors). I can't find an image online but check it out.

I think they want to keep it enigmatic, though. I mean, everything about Sephiroth is treated as top-secret in game, so why would they expose enormous amounts of shit about his childhood, & such?

As for the whole Hojo/Gast thing, it's obvious to basically everyone both inside the game & playing it that Gast is a better scientist than Hojo, a better person than Hojo, and is more likeable than Hojo, so the fact that Sephiroth likes him more isn't really surprising.

I think there should be some element of Sephiroth's background revealed. I appreciate it is mysterious and maybe should be left to the imagination, but to have very little at all is quite annoying. We know:

- the circumstances surrounding his birth
- that he was taken from his mother immediately after birth
- he was tested for his abilities as an supposed Ancient as a baby/child
- he thought very highly of Professor Gast (who was possibly his guardian)
- interest was dropped in his abilities as an Ancient after Ifalna was taken by Shinra for the first time
- he felt different from all the other children
- Gast told him the name of his 'mother'
- Gast left him to escape Shinra with Ifalna when he was approximately 6 years old
- as an adolescent, he joins SOLDIER
- he participates in the Wutai War, and is granted the rank of SOLDIER Captain at a young age

That's it. I can't think of any definitive facts other than that. For a major character, you have to say that's pretty poor.


Yeah, it's pretty obvious why Hojo is a dick, but I thought an expansion on Gast's role in the science dept when Hojo was young would have been interesting. For the small amount you learn of Gast, the guy seems to have his moral compass pretty stable. Well, let's just say as stable as possible given some of the experiments he was involved in. His successor, however...

I like the idea of their history and where Hollander, Grimoire and Bugenhagen fit into it

 

[Cat Rage Room]

I disagree with the possibility that Shinra built a reactor in the remains of Fort Tamblin or anywhere else in Wutai, for mainly two reasons;

1. The Mako Reactors have pretty much been all accounted for

2. They couldn't FORCE the citizens of Wutai to use a reactor even if they did build one. What people don't really realize about Shinra is that they're so powerful because the populace LET them be. Their subjugation over the rest of the world is tolerated by the people. They don't have to be ruled by Shinra if they don't want to.

I seriously have to wonder why the Wutai War is never touched on. It's one of 2 time periods that are important to the Compilation, but have almost no in-depth information, the other one being Jenova's arrival.

However, I agree with this.

 

[Aki]

Thinking about things, I don't think the Wutai war was ever about building a reactor.

We don't see much in the original obviously as its downsized. But Wutai was ment to be a nation. So I'm guessing there would be the main town, and lots of surrounding villages or houses scattered in its region (hopefully added into a remake with side quests). Shinra mearly didnt like the idea of a large part of the world not being controlled by them, as they wanted absolute power.


The war was mearly to take down there army and assume complete global dominance. Pretty much like the Bush administration with Iraq.


It's funny because even though Shinra is a big evil coorperation with lots of dark secrets and corruption. Members of its elite SOLDIER never once questioned their motives until the Genesis defection. And we see also see other employee's who just want to work and seem ignorant to Shinra's dark secrets.


(going way off topic now lol) makes me wonder how President Shinra had time to deal with everything. With all the dirty secrets and projects going on inside Shinra. Almost justifys his motives from dropping the plate as it was the quickest and easiest way to get them out of his hair.


(rant over, back to topic)